General Tournament Banter

Discussion in 'General WrestleZone Tournament' started by klunderbunker, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. Little Jerry Lawler

    Little Jerry Lawler Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids

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    I would argue in the past decade no one with maybe the exception of Hardy has been more over than RVD. It didn't matter to much of the posters than RVD has beaten Jericho clean more times than vice versa. It was all about how Jericho is a better wrestler than RVD. The large discrepancy in the voting gave Jericho supporters a reason on why he should have beaten Hart.
     
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  2. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    ...Did you really just say that the Rock and Austin were only over for 3-4 years? This Jerry. This is why we don't take you seriously. I guess my ears were imagining the massive pops that Austin continues to get to this day, or his Hall of Fame induction. Guess my ears were playing tricks on me when the crowd popped like crazy just for a pre-taped vignette of the Rock on an episode of Smackdown last year. Austin and Rock could both return to wrestling today and would get bigger pops than 99.9% of the roster.

    Warrior came back...and nothing. No one cared, not even a little bit. He squashed HHH at Wrestlemania, had one of the most embarrassingly awful feuds of all time with Goldust (their match at IYH: Good Friends, Better Enemies is quite possibly the worst match I've ever seen in my life, if you could even call it a wrestling match, which it simply wasn't.) They hyped his return for weeks and weeks and when he came, no one cared. He dropped down to the midcard and was gone within a few months again because he couldn't get over again.
     
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  3. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    That's an absolutely bollocks argument. Buying merchandise may qualify, because that is dependant on how over someone is. A well written book is independant of wrestling ability though. If your giving Foley credit for bringing in WWE money, then you better be prepared to argue that Jakks Pacific is also a better wrestler than a world champion.
    They bought it for the novelty of reading a well written genuine autobiography from within the wrestling world. If Al Snow had written the same book, it would have done as well in the mainstream market. It's drawing money, but not by being a wrestler. The guy who makes the video packages that Shawn Michaels praised last week is probably more responsible for PPV buys in the last 5 years than anyone but John Cena, but it doesn't make him a draw.
    Because Hogan headlined WrestleManias VII and VIII and garnered less of an audience. I'm not giving Warrior all the credit, I'm saying he was better than most of Hogan's contemporaries.
    So a guy who hadn't wrestled for four years had lost relevance. SHIT THE BED. Tell me, did the ratings of TNA change in the slightest when Foley, who had been wrestling semi regularly and had just had 6 months in the WWE showed up? No, they didn't.
    Vince McMahon fires people for a lot of different reasons. In all likelihood he was a cock, but then, so were a lot of wrestlers. It doesn't count against the Archbishop of Cunterbury Shawn Michaels, but it does tarnish Warrior's image for some reason.


    Firstly, you berate me for forgetting Hogan, and then use an angle that focussed on The Rock to justify Foley being a bigger draw. Secondly, that was the highest ever rated segment of Raw. The SNME when Warrior teamed with Hulk Hogan drew 10.0. The ones that featured him as champion scored a minimum of 8.7, which is still more than the highest rated Rock with his sidekick Mick segment of all time. He's a bigger draw because more people paid to see him in arenas and on PPV and more people tuned in to watch him on TV. It's pretty fucking simple how he was the bigger draw.
    Ok, I'll grant you that Foley has had good matches. I don't think I've actually seen the Mind Games one, but I think the Dude Love ones weren't as good. Whatever, this is opinion, and I was pointing out that Warrior isn't the shit worker people make out.

    And how many of those matches did Foley win?
     
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  4. Little Jerry Lawler

    Little Jerry Lawler Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids

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    I'm talking about when they were active wrestlers. The main reason Rock was insanely over is because Austin was out injured. When Austin came back, you saw the Rock moved back down to #2 or #3 depending on how you viewed HHH. If Austin would have had that surgery when he was supposed to, the Rock would never been as big as he was.

    Warrior is just another case of a wrestler who should have retired on top or close to it. The main reason Flair is glorified by WWE because he came back and wrestled from 2002-2008. That same reason is why he was despised and felt he should have retired years ago. You think Flair wouldn't have been better remembered if he retired fifteen years as opposed to two years ago.

    It's hard to get over again. Michaels proved that you can do it but you can't find too may others that can.
     
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  5. Razor

    Razor crafts entire Worlds out of Words

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    Yeah. I'll be voting kayfabe if I want to, or outside of kayfabe if I want to. Mostly kayfabe though. Probably. I don't know just yet. But the beauty of the thing is that I can post however I want to as long as it's not spam. And I'm pretty good at the whole my posts not being spam bit.

    FromtheBack will have a set of wrestlers we are backing, which will be announced at a later date. Expect Batista and John Cena amongst those. However, if Evan Bourne somehow made it through the "no jobbers" rule then I riot. And FromtheBack will bring our full force down upon his lowly head.
     
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  6. Uncle Sam

    Uncle Sam Rear Naked Bloke

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    I did that whole Four to Vote For thing last year. Picked wrestlers I thought would be "interesting" to back. What a fucking dope I was. Why back someone interesting when I can back the apex predator in wrestling? Vintage Sam.

    Campaign Headquarters are on sale right now. Get 'em while they're hot. Someone back Cena - I wouldn't want to have to create two campaign HQs.
     
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  7. Remix

    Remix Is a thin rope

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    I'm going to back someone when I know who's in the tournament. Probably someone with no hope in hell.
     
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  8. Via Armbar

    Via Armbar Has a pretty good dick.

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    Really because I thought The Rock was cheered for because of his character. I never knew that the fans said to themselves "Well our favorite Austin is gone, lets back somebody we wouldn't insanely cheer for if he were still around." I must've missed that. No doubt that The Rock and Trips benefited the most from Austin's absence, but to say that their success was mostly due to him being gone is a blind statement. If Austin never had the surgery, The Rock would still be as big and get as big of a reaction as he did with Stone Cold gone. He may have lost a few main event opportunities, but you best believe that they would have built The Rock up as a huge face which would have resulted in a rematch between the two down the road. Sooner than WM17 obviously. The Rock was himself and the fans loved it, not because the other face of the company wasn't around.

    Better remembered for what? His work declined over the years, that isn't much of a secret in the same way that Hunter being a McMahon isn't a secret. I don't see how he could be better remembered if he had retired before wrestling hit it's second peak as opposed to retiring in 2008. I've never believed that a wrestler could tarnish their legacy by staying around too long. Maybe for fans with short term memories, but for those who remember a legends golden age know who they were and how good they were. None of that changes. The fans of today may have seen him as an old man with saggy boobs, but the fact that his retirement was such a big deal told the new generation that this man is a legend in the business and potentialy inspired a new generation to learn who Flair was. Retiring fifteen years ago wouldn't have achieved this.

    Except any time Austin returns to promote whatever he's doing or anytime Hogan made an appearance. If you were good enough and made people genuinly care about what you did, then it will stay with them.
     
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  9. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    CHRIS JERICHO. I'm going to vote for him of course. If anyone needs any persuading, FREE Jerichol! Like Alchol but with added wrestling. And is anyone (maybe Phoenix) fixing us a sig to use for the campaign?
     
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  10. GenMe

    GenMe GenMe

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    I'm in between Jericho and Edge, But Jericho has done more than what Edge had done, So jericho will have my vote. Jericho has accomplishe more more things then Edge.
     
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  11. Mr. Truth

    Mr. Truth Real American Hero

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    I'm going to be pulling for one wrestler per bracket. Out of Chicago, I'm going to be supporting Kenta Kobashi. Doubt he's going to win but I'll be pulling hard for him. Brock Lesnar has a legit shot at winning this, and he's my pick out of Toronto. I've got Benoit out of Tokyo. The guy was one tough SoB and has experience in Japan. Finally, after being convinced by Lariat, Stan Hansen out of Mexico City.
     
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  12. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    I'm amazed. I'll be flatout honest, Toronto is going to be the single toughest Region for anyone to get out of alive. And I swear, if anyone of them wins this entire thing.. either they deserve it more than the rest. Or a ton of people never factored in the rules of how only selective amounts of days by-pass per round.. because clearly, the Toronto Region winner is going to be dead ass tired by the end of it all.

    As for my personal favorite, Edge. I'll admit when shit looks bleak. Edge is very heavily favored to suddenly drop out of the Tournament after hitting the Finals last year, in the mere First Round. However, if this happens - just like last year - I won't be disappointed, because Bret Hart has been the one guy I've long since said would be worthy to go over him. Mind you, I'll still fight for Edge until the final vote is tallied.

    Looks like guys such as The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels and Hulk Hogan are all practically getting a bye in the First Round. :rolleyes:

    As God is my witness, I will find some random amount of pure crap to say, that makes Moolah look like a winner in her match. (perhaps the age-old: Hulk would never hit a Woman, and thus he'd lay down tactic?)

    And Don't sleep on Jeff Jarrett against HBK, or C.M. Punk. Thats all I'm gonna say.
     
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  13. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    Having seen the Draw, the outcome of this tournament relies on one subregion, and one region alone, Vancouver. If anyone but The Undertaker comes out of there, then this is Shawn Michaels' tournament. If Taker does come out, then it will be Taker and Jericho in the final.
     
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  14. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    As much as I'm a fan of Edge, I'm an enemy of the Undertaker, Hogan and Austin. Those three are on my list to try and eliminate as quickly, as possible. Including if I have to back Brock Lesnar. (which, to be honest, Shocky and 48.7 are making me just as sick of hearing about him - as I made everyone toward Edge, a year ago.)

    My top favorites are as follows.

    1. Edge (naturally, but not likely to go anywhere)
    2. Bret Hart (repeat/first one to win two tournaments, let alone back-to-back)
    3. Underdog (Jericho, Japanese Wrestler, someone else)
    4. Moolah (why she's in it, is beyond my understanding - but if the Staff want to mock this tournament and show it to be shit, then I'll do the best I can to make sure they get their wish)
     
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  15. HBK-aholic

    HBK-aholic Shawn Michaels ❤

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    You're not saying KB rigged this? :eek2:

    I have literally no clue how you can say that, when over 100 'shit' wrestlers have actually been taken out this year. Moolah was a staff pick for fun, I assume. None of us think our picks will win, or they'd have been in the list of top wrestlers. Therefore a few of us have just chosen fun people, or people we enjoyed. Moolah wasn't my pick, but meh. I'm voting her too, Moolah FTW.
     
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  16. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    Are you saying he did? :lmao:

    I've joked with selective friends over the tournament being rigged. Moolah is in the thing, for crying out loud. However, someone (Staff member, mind you) mentioned something to me in one of my rigged convos in which they said something along the lines of - "If this were to happen, (being rigged) it would show how immature, and completely unrespecting the Staff would be - not just to you, but to everyone, to rig whats considered the biggest tournament this site has seen, all for a specific guy."

    Its an internet tournament. One in which I've proven I could get a guy, from near as I can tell, over half the regulars on this forum believe doesn't deserve anywhere near the Elite 8.. to the Finals. That, to me, is impressive.

    If, for whatever reason, KB or anyone for that matter - rigged this tournament, specifically for Edge, or anyone else - then its sad and pathetic. (KB even said something along the lines of this, when accusing me of something similar.)

    I think you guys should stop assuming so much.

    I'd rather see a guy like The Great Khali, who has had serious victories over The Undertaker. In. Instead of a joke pick, that likely will be voted out 98-7, against someone that is considered one of THE BEST, if not "the best" in Professional Wrestling today.

    Agreed. And to be honest, I hope everyone who votes in this tournament takes the same approach to it. Since she's in, joke or not, I'm gonna vote for her. I can only hope enough others do as well. (Afterall, Hogan is one of 3 I want OUT.)
     
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  17. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    Jericho has a solid chance to make it. And with an army of followers, It's possible.
     
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  18. simpsons_fanatic742

    simpsons_fanatic742 WZPC Intercontinental Champion

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    Well, I was completing my bracket and realized that this year, there are going to be some EPIC encounters very early in the tournament. There's going to be shit storms of debate this year and just seeing the match-ups makes my mouth water waiting for this tournament to start. Because of the way that the match-ups worked out I have Bret Hart winning again, but I can honestly say that ANYTHING can, and probably will, happen. What a great idea having random drawings for the first round. If you guys wanted an exciting and unpredictable tournament this year, congratulations you just accomplished that. I hope everyone is ready!
     
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  19. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    So, I just finished my Predictions Brackets. If they're anything close to what will happen.. the following individuals are going to have a great run.

    1. Bret Hart
    2. Steve Austin (unfortunately)
    3. Ric Flair
    4. John Cena
    5. Sting
    6. Triple H.
    7. C.M. Punk
    8. Vader

    That would be my Elite 8.

    Just missing the Elite 8, rounding out the Sweet 16, would be..

    1. Rob Van Dam
    2. Chris Jericho
    3. Eddie Guerrero
    4. Chris Benoit
    5. Mitsuhara Misawa
    6. Goldberg
    7. Shawn Michaels
    8. Jushin Liger

    Finally.. every bit of this rests on Hulk Hogan actually, yes actually, losing.. to Moolah.
     
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  20. HBK-aholic

    HBK-aholic Shawn Michaels ❤

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    Of course. :p

    You should've stayed on staff and picked him :lmao:. As I said, none of our picks are going to win, I just chose 2 wrestlers I enjoy.
     
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  21. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    Well, then should Edge win by some random chance.. I'll have an even greater laugh at his expense. :lmao:

    As tempting as that sounds.. I'd rather not be on Staff. I wasn't having fun like I used to. :( Shame, Khali could've been the next shocking Finalist, thanks to me.

    I still think ironically that Moolah instantly has a better chance than most to seriously win. Well, not in a serious manner.. but in a joking one, because people love a good rib.
     
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  22. shattered dreams

    shattered dreams Hexagonal Hedonist

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    The way everyone talked about this tournament I knew it had to be awesome but I was not sure why (its my first one) until I read through this thread and a little bit of last years. This is going to be quite entertaining. I am not sure who I am going to be backing, but I know that I am not rooting for a repeat champ and will expend most of my energy keeping Jericho from making it further than he deserves to. Although he is already sounding like this years edge which may prove to be annoying.

    It is a little surprising that none of Hogan, Flair and Austin have ever won. So I may have changed my mind from my original idea of backing underdog types and maybe it is time one of the generally accepted answers to the greatest ever question takes this thing although the first two have a stigma this year that will likely hurt them. I was a big Austin mark when I first got hooked on wrestling and no matter how smarky I may have become I cannot get it out of my blood. So hopefully the ring isn't put together well in round one and he rolls from there.
     
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  23. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    How is Jericho this years Edge? Jericho is a great wrestler. Edge is a good wrestler. Jericho is a multiple time wrestler of the year. Edge, not so much. Jericho deserves to win but, I unfortunately see his faltering to Austin.
     
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  24. Mantaur Rodeo Clown

    Mantaur Rodeo Clown X-Pac Rules

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    I will admit, Bret Hart vs Edge in the first fucking round is pretty fucking fishy.
     
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  25. TheOneBigWill

    TheOneBigWill [This Space for Rent]

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    Why would you say that? I guess I should first ask, what do you mean.. by this?
     
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