So because some of the big stars they had didn't have title reigns the promotion wasn't good? Guys like Dibiase, Piper, and Andre never had official world title reigns in the WWE does that mean it sucks? Your logic fails. By the way, Heenan managed Nick Bockwinkel who happened to be the AWA's champion during the entire time Hogan and company were there so at least get your facts right. ECW had a bigger following, was more successful, and it was able to do all of this when the competition was at its best. That is not what I'm doing at all. ROH is not on the level of any of the major promotions in terms of overall entertainment. They are about one main thing and that is providing a good, technical, in ring product. That only appeals to one segment of wrestling fans. The bigger promotions like WWE, WCW, and TNA have provided a little bit of everything. They are able to appeal in some way to all different kinds of wrestling fans. If ROH really was this great promotion then they would be doing more then some shows on HDNet.