First Round: Dallas - Antonio Inoki vs. CM Punk

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Who Wins This Matchup?

  1. Antonio Inoki

  2. CM Punk

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  1. FunKay the Inevitable

    FunKay the Inevitable People Like Me, We Don't Play

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    I like CM Punk, currently he's one of the best things in wrestling but no way and I mean NO WAY does he deserve to progress against Inoki. Antonio Inoki is a legend not onluy in Japan but around the world and very few can say that. Inoki vs. Flair squeezed over 100,000 fans into a stadium in North Korea. Inoki has great in ring talent and could beat Punk, I'm failry certain about it. Do the right thing, don't listen to that Straightedge propeganda: Vote Inoki
     
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  2. Uncle Sam

    Uncle Sam Rear Naked Bloke

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    I'm going to vote for CM Punk on the basis that he's pretty much the only reason I watch wrestling any more, and that Antonio Inoki has had no more impact on my life than Miss Withersham next door burning her toast. No sounder reasoning out there.

    Voting for Antonio Inoki is like voting for Citizen Kane over Die Hard. Yes, Citizen Kane is probably objectively better. It'll probably have a longer legacy and is appreciated by the pretentious snobs as one of the greatest films of all time. But nobody in their right mind is going to choose to watch Citizen Kane over Die Hard after a long day.

    Vote Die Hard. Vote CM Punk.
     
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  3. deem

    deem Getting Noticed By Management

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    Inoki wins and its not even close.

    It's not even that CM Punk hasn't reached his potential yet - he could reach his potential, be the greatest in WWE at this time, and STILL job to Inoki, that's how one sided this one is.
     
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  4. One Punch Doug Crashin

    One Punch Doug Crashin I AM INVINSIBLE!

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    I'm sorry but WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING? Whatever it is gimme some of that. If you actually think that arguing that is gonna make you look smart, you are sadly mistaken. Puro is HUGE right now. HUGE! You have a lot of promotions in Japan that are regional promotions like Dragon Gate which has a subsidiary in the US, you have HUSTLE which is fairly popular, and you STILL have the big three promotions (NOAH, New Japan, All Japan)shelling out big card after big card. You can not seriously believe that do you?
     
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  5. 8thwotwATG

    8thwotwATG The Big Boss

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    Not for nothing, but this one isn't even close. Inoki owns Punk in a one sided shoot that ends inside of 10 minutes. Punk either taps or is pinned. Its hard to say because Inoki could beat you in way too many ways.
     
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  6. DirtyJosé

    DirtyJosé Best angle of all: retirement

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    One could read my voting for young guys like Brian Danielson and The Miz and assume that I'd put CM Punk over here. I'd like to, as I love CM Punk and expect as much if not more from him than I do the other two youngsters I did vote for. But Brian and Miz were up against DDP and Windham, respectively. Inoki is no Page or Windham though; this guy is the lethal real deal. It's a shame to have to put Punk down so early when he's clearly a fave of mine, Antonio is a legit legend and I have to respect that.
     
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  7. Jack-Hammer

    Jack-Hammer YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
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    CM Punk is one of my favorite wrestlers and has been for quite some time. He's great in the ring and he's shown himself to be golden on the mic time and time again. There seems to be this unwritten suggestion somewhere that insists that we vote for Japanese wrestlers in almost every match there in for some reason. I don't buy into all the Japanese wrestling god nonsense most of the time. It's something that far too many rely on too much of the time when it comes to situations like this.

    However, that being said, Antonio Inoki is one of the few wrestlers that I can apply the term to and not feel the slightest bit silly about. Inoki was one bad son of a bitch. He was a very skilled and accomplished grappler and had a very respectable MMA career. Antonio Inoki defeated Andre the Giant in a shoot fight. Not only that, but he defeated Andre the Giant in said shoot fight when Andre was a physical dynamo. As much as I like Punk, and I do like the guy, I can't make myself go completely against logic here. While I don't think he'd be quite the easy prey some seem to think, I believe he ultimately would go down to Inoki.
     
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  8. PsychoBlack

    PsychoBlack Damn it feels good to be a Taylor!!

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    honestyly im a mark for cm punk and dont know much about inoki so punk goes oer here his stuff in the indys was amazing and right now hes the best guy on the wwe roster if he went to japan he would be one of the american legends oer there what im getting at is pun would be a world champ wherever he goes

    vote punk
     
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  9. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    You know as well as anyone that wrestling's different in Japan. They have levels of danger on their moves. So the wrestlers are aware of what they're getting into. Inoki was a great wrestler and a great entertainment property. And yes, even a great businessman. And just because someone's using a submission on someone that's not a work doesn't make them a bad wrestler. I'm sure Inoki would work a move if the wrestler would sell it good enough.

    It's in the USA, so it actually does. Point is, Inoki has a wide array of moves that he originated and that few use today. That was my point in posting the top 10 moves. It's a showcase of how versatile he was in the ring. Sure he booked himself, but so did Flair, Rhodes, Race, Blanchard, HHH, and others. And we don't dispute their wrestling acumen do we?

    Not really. They're different, but I'd take a TRAINED martial artist who revolutionized MMA in the world over Punk any day of the week. And since we're talking about who's the superior wrestler, that's a huge factor. Because when push comes to shove, Punk couldn't hang with Inoki.


    I proved my point quite well.

    Sure Punk deserves to go over a businessman. But Inoki was more than that and you know it. He DID wrestle before he started promoting wrestling.

    I know. Exciting match, too. The heat alone before the bell rings makes that an epic battle. And they didn't even lock up yet. Haven't seen Punk create that kind of atmosphere against ANYONE.

    OK... so Punk vs Joe or Punk vs. McGuinnes is better than Inoki vs. Hogan or Inoki vs. Hansen? You have to be kidding.

    What does this have to do with his wrestling skill? Even if he wasn't booked to be the king, he would have still been one of the elite wrestlers in Japan because he knew how to work a crowd and is a skilled wrestler.


    He also wrestled back in the late 60's and 70's. That's where some of his greater matches took place. And he squashed people that were inferior in skill to him. Inoki put people that deserved to be put over. Hansen, Brody, Funk and Hogan were to name a few. Just because he squashes someone doesn't mean he's selfish. It means he's just a better wrestler and no one would believe he'd win. Think about it. Any wrestling fan with reasonable knowledge of Japanese and American wrestling would laugh at the thought of CM Punk beating Inoki. Period.

    You're only case for Punk winning is that you believe he's a better wrestler and Inoki was a better businessman than wrestler, which makes him inferior to Punk. That's asinine. Michael Jordan's a terrific businessman, made lots of money. But we all know he was a better basketball player than corporate owner. Same goes for Inoki. The fans and purists know that Inoki is a legend and should go over someone who's known for his wonderful promos and a stiff finisher that could break someone's nose or jaw. And you talk about Inoki being stiff.



    Not so much


    He also has lots of knowledge of Puro and even if Inoki's not the greatest Puro wrestler ever, it doesn't mean he's inferior to CM Punk. It just means there were wrestlers in Japan that were better than him.

    Show me where I cussed at you? See... even if I was appalled at your case for Punk winning and said I would not take you seriously, I didn't tell you to shut the fuck up or call you an idiot or accuse you of talking out of your ass. I just merely pointed out that you have viewpoints that do not agree with mine and your case made my mind boggle. Because it was ridiculous, IMO.


    INOKI... BOOMBA YAY!

    Not his fault he had most of his matches in Japan and we're not able to see all of them.



    Takes talent to sell beatings and to work a solid match, which is what the Japanese people appreciated. They aren't sold on promos or slight of hand. They like pure wrestling and someone who was good at it. Inoki was good at it.



    My point is that Inoki is better than Punk. And the voting proves that. Think about it. Punk is a primarily WWE wrestler and a smark fave across this board, yet Inoki still beats him in the votes. Interesting. Because me, tdigle, and X can only vote once. :D



    Well this is at a stand still. You have Danielson, I'll give you Ric Flair. Fat Joe? Stan Hansen. Austin Aries? Misawa. Jeff Hardy? LOL. And... well you get the point. Inoki had classics against far better wrestlers and was a far superior athlete and wrestler to Punk.



    Don't care to look back at what was talked about.

    So mic work's a factor in this? I didn't think you could win matches with being good on the mic. In that case, Kennedy/Anderson would be a 10 time World Champion by now. And the Pope would be a HOF'er. But alas, it's a wrestling tourney and in that kind of tournament, Inoki's better than Punk.



    Nope he's not.

    Inoki built his empire in AJPW by being a damn good wrestler and making himself believable as a man who can't be beaten. He did that by actually BEATING his opponents. What happens if Punk gets the heat turned up on him and his put in a legit submission? It's Inoki's moveset and it's not his fault he's a shoot fighter for the most part.

    What does it matter? Ali didn't just do that stuff all the time. It's not like he always fought shoot fights with anyone. And sure it was rigged, but guess what? Still was as entertaining as you can get and shows the clout and the aura of Inoki as a wrestler AND a businessman.


    Fixed.

    Never implied that at all. And Ali turned down MANY exhibition fights near the same amount of money that Inoki offered. See in Japan, you know that Puro is considered a 'sport' in Japan. Boxing is a sport in America. The box office would sky rocket when these two fought. So no, Ali didn't beg to go over there. He accepted the offer and it paid dividends for them both in Japan and the United States.

    So Lawrence Taylor just got compared to Muhammad Ali. :lmao: And Bam Bam Bigelow to Inoki. :disappointed:


    Pretty sure you did, but I'm not in the mood to go back and find it. The proof's in the score here. It's as if you're a cocky point guard who just made a layup and was fouled, then start swaggering all around the court. I'm the dude on the other team giving you respect, but also pointing at the scoreboard showing you that you're still trailing.

    [YOUTUBE]E1R3eS6taYc[/YOUTUBE]

    This is back in 1970. A match with Dory Funk, Jr.. who was NWA Worlds Heavyweight Champion during this time and at his peak. This match lasted over an hour. And was a definite classic. And there are plenty more out there.

    Well... some may think I am, but more people think I'm absolutely right.

    ANTONIOOOOOOOOOOOO INOOOOOOOOOOKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!
     
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  10. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    I should take your vote away.

    1. You're a Punk mark, and you admit it.

    2. You don't know much about Inoki, and you admit it.

    3. You think Punk is the best on the WWE roster right now, which is true, in convoluted backwards not true world.

    4. I can't read / translate the remainder of your post. When you say "pun" would be a world champ wherever he goes, are you referring to CM Punk or rap star "Big Pun?"

    I'd also like to point out that you're saying Punk SHOULD be World Champ wherever he goes, and for that reason he goes over Inoki, who WAS a World Champ almost everywhere he went.

    Does that about cover it?
     
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  11. Uncle Sam

    Uncle Sam Rear Naked Bloke

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    Picking on the slow kid, IC? You've sunk to new lows. Though you did help me come up with a reason as to why people do those posts. Y'know, those posts. I'll give you an example - here's me doing one of those posts:

    ZOMG, ANtonia Inokkki is DA bestest and he's JAPONESE AND THE GREATEST CHAMPION WRESTLERS EVER!!

    Seriously people; get a fucking grip. Etc., etc.

    You see, you oversimplify your opponent's argument and throw in bad spelling, punctuation and grammar (SPAG, if you're a fan of acronyms) for good measure. It saves you coming up with an intelligent rebuttal. That's what happens when people don't have someone like our dear mrsavagelife to pick on, and so they invent one.

    That said, am I doing to form an intelligent rebuttal? No, I made my argument earlier. For those too lazy to browse back a few pages - and who am I to question that? - here it is:

     
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  12. Cena's Little Helper

    Cena's Little Helper Mid-Card Championship Winner

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    I've decided to abstain from voting. My reasoning is two-fold:

    1) Inoki was actually pretty darn good in the ring. I respect jmt225's opinion that he wasn't, but this argument essentially hinges on the (true) premise that Inoki was shooting on his opponents. While I'd rather it be the case that someone not be at risk for injury in the ring, the fact that someone is at risk for injury in the ring does not take away from a match's entertainment value (whether or not we should find entertainment in someone else's suffering is a totally different topic that should be addressed in The Cigar Lounge). Probably injury is just a reality of puro, and, admittedly, this is one criticism that can be lodged against it without much opposition.

    2) Since I can look at factors outside of the ring, I can't ignore Inoki's decision to have NJPW stars wrestle actual MMA fighters. This was a huge fiasco, and it irreparably hurt puro.

    Edit: I was going to abstain, but I'm now voting for CM Punk...reasons should be obvious.
     
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  13. Suneeboy

    Suneeboy Big Boot, Leg Drop, 1....2....3

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    Let's call a spade a spade. For all CM Punk has accomplished in his WWE career he is still nothing more than a glorified jobber to me. He can draw heat, cut promos, and work a match, but the guy loses on a consistent basis. Couple that with the fact that Inoki is a legend and a Hall of Famer, Punk is done in 3 minutes here.
     
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  14. Straight Edge Loyalist

    Straight Edge Loyalist Dark Match Winner

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    As you can see, I'm a huge CM Punk mark, but that is not the reason why I'm voting for CM Punk. The main reason is that I find CM Punk to be a better PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER. I find his matches to be a lot more enjoyable than Inoki's(I'm an international playa, so I have seen all these wrestlers), and I think he tells a better story in the ring.

    So yeah, Punk gets my vote.
     
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  15. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    Punk would win this match. My head is telling me that he wouldn't, but I think Inoki's general inability to win on American soil without great difficulty would be seized upon by Punk. While I'm sure he's not as good as Inoki was at MMA, Punk's kicks to the face are pretty fucking realistic, and I'm sure they could become real if needs must. Inoki lost to a lot of American wrestlers, comparitively, and seeing as Punk is destined for the "greats" pile, I think he'd take this one.
     
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  16. Cookie

    Cookie The Huntington Beach Bad Girl

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    I don't have any fancy proofs or YouTube videos regarding why Punk should win this one. A lot of people before me have stated why they think he should win, and I agree with a lot of that. So when it comes down to it Punk is the most entertaining guy in the business to me right now (through the development of his gimmick and his awesome work on the mic - I'm never disappointed in any of his promos), he makes me actually give a shit about him, and that's why I'm voting for him.

    Vote: CM Punk

    :suspic:
     
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  17. Turd Ferguson

    Turd Ferguson DA-DA Da Da Da Bah Da Da DADADA

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    CM Punk should absolutely go over Inoki here. I'm going to have to defend my vote now in order to try to get Punk over the top here, here are my reasons:

    1.) An amazing wrestler - He has the ability to put on great matches with anyone on the roster, from legends like Rey Mysterio and Chris Jericho, and terrible wrestlers like Mike Knox and Snitsky. He can adapt to any style and he can make the most out of little every time he steps in the ring.

    2.) It doesn't get much better on the mic. When was the last time CM Punk cut a bad promo? That's right, NEVER.

    3.) He has three dangerous finishing moves, The Pepsi Plunge, The GTS, and The Anaconda Vice. Punk's finishing moves are DEADLY. He also has a very varied moveset in which he dishes out some brutal (in a good way) offense.

    4.) When was the last time you watched a bad CM Punk match? He goes out there and wrestles. Watch his ROH stuff, watch his WWE stuff. He's translated what he has done in ROH over to the WWE quite well.

    Punk gets innovative with his offense, and he'd throw stuff at Inoki that perhaps he'd never seen before. Also, this would be in a place where Inoki wouldn't be able to book himself to win. It's neutral territory. For people bringing up the Ali fight... Ali was well past his prime at that point.

    I really hope Punk goes over here.
     
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  18. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    Strange, did I miss the actual poll for this match up? I was abstaining from voting because of how tough of a decision this would be, but push comes to shove and I'll throw in my write-in vote for CM Punk here to win this match up against Antonio Inoki. Why? Well, a few reasons. One, I'm a big Punk mark and am therefore probably biased, having never been a very big fan of Inoki's work. Not that he's a bad wrestler, far from it, and from a kayfabe perspective I completely understand people voting for Inoki and they're probably, well, no, definitely correct in saying that Inoki had the bigger impact and would likely win this match/be booked to win it/whatever the fuck else you want to say. Doesn't matter, I'm still voting for Punk. Part of this tournament is seeing who WZ pushes every year and who they love and damnit we know there are alot of Punk lovers on here, and shit, I'm one of 'em.

    Punk is getting my write-in vote here. He puts away the legend Inoki with the Pepsi Plunge and/or a top rope GTS, sold correctly for once by Inoki instead of the shit way a vast majority of people in the WWE sell it.
     
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  19. Little Jerry Lawler

    Little Jerry Lawler Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids

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    1. You're saying that Punk actually had good matches with Knox and Snitsky? I must have missed those matches. All I remember is Punk having bad matches with Batista, JBL, and Kane.

    2. Punk's promos were good when he was facing Hardy but have gotten boring to me since. I guess that's the heel of today's wrestling where they try to bore the crowd to death.

    3. I've watched plenty of Punk's matches and I've never seen him be innovative. Inoki wouldn't be stupid to get near the turnbuckles so I don't think Punk will win with the Pepsi Plunge and I'm about sure that Inoki will not tap to the Anaconda Vice. I'm positive I haven't seen anybody die in the ring with Punk so his moves aren't considered deadly. If they were, he wouldn't lose more than half the time in his matches.
     
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  20. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    Writing in a vote for Inoki. There's NO way someone like CM Punk would be one of the few to beat Inoki in a straight wrestling match. Inoki would respect Punk and even consider a rematch with him down the line, but Inoki should take it here. Plain and simple. And the fact that it's tied here disturbs me greatly.
     
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  21. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    Seriously? Punk's promos bore you? That sucks man. They're entertaining as fuck to everyone else, myself included. He draws great heat everywhere he goes, and you know why? Because he knows how to work an audience like any great wrestler does, both in the ring and especially on the microphone. Maybe you've been bored with Punk, but WWE fans haven't been, they've been giving him great heat everywhere he goes during his feud with Mysterio the last few weeks/months.

    Really? How many people did you see doing top-rope pedigrees before Punk? If it wasn't for the WWE's incredibly strict list of banned maneuvers, Punk would be able to show you his ability to create innovative offense (much like Rob Van Dam), go back and watch his ROH work Jerry and you'll see.

    I find that hard to believe considering there's four of them and they're in a short enclosed area. The turnbuckles are used in almost every wrestling match up, why would this be any different? It would actually be really weird if they DIDN'T use the turnbuckles in a few spots.

    That's rather silly saying that his offense isn't deadly because he's lost some match-ups. No shit he's lost some match-ups, he's a heel in a completely different era of wrestling than the one Inoki wrestled in, where people held titles for years at a time. I assure you though that a stiff kick or knee to the face and especially the bridge of the nose on someone's face, as the Go to Sleep is, could kill someone. Absolutely it could. Not that he would need to actually kill Inoki.
     
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  22. Hulkamaniac

    Hulkamaniac Vote Hogan, Savage, Rocky and Thesz

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    It's almost surreal to me that CM Punk is tied with Antonio freaking Inoki. CM Punk would get worked here. Antonio is a better worker, more skilled, stronger, a better shooter, more important to wrestling history, an infinitely better draw........how is CM PUnk tied with Antonio Inoki here? This is a tragedy of "ZOMG, his eyes are slanty, I've neverzz seen him on Raw!" People are complaining about people "feeling required to vote for all Japanese guys", and that's bull. The thing is, this is the first round, and it's pretty much the cream of the crop in Japanese wrestling history againstmiddling at best American wrestlers. Who's the worst Japanese guy in the tournament, Hayabusa? Meanwhile we've got guys like the Bezerker and Marty jannetty in here, who never did much (sadly in marty's case), and guys like CM Punk and Sheamus who are in the middle of their career and not NEARLY on the level of guys like Inoki. VOTE INOKI, for the love of God.
     
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  23. LigerBomb

    LigerBomb Getting Noticed By Management

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    CM PUNK write in vote. Inoki does have the reach and height advantage but I feel that Punk coming from a newer generation has seen much if not all of what Inoki can do. Inoki on the other hand may have to readjust himself to Punk's style and could require a few matches to learn that rhythm.
     
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  24. Blade

    Blade "Original Blade"

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    Write in vote for CM Punk.

    Why? Well, it's pretty simple. CM Punk has been entertaining me for years straight. I prefer him, and therefore I'm voting for him.

    On the kayfabe side, I don't think Inoki has ever faced anyone like Punk. Punk could handle Inoki's offense, but Inoki might not have the reversals and counters for Punk's offense. Plus, Inoki isn't in Japan, the only place he's ever had success. He hasn't done anything in America.
     
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  25. Loveless

    Loveless A Life In Monochrome

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    Wow this thread is just filled to the brim with bullshit, isn't it?
    There's no way in hell Inoki loses here, absolutely no way in hell. He's just flat out better than Punk in every way that matters. And Inoki hasn't faced anyone like Punk? Are you fucking kidding me? Punk is martial arts based (and not particularly good at it either) while Inoki had a 35 fucking year career in Japan, where I suspect he may possibly have come across that style. Jesus fucking Christ! The marks have taken over.
     
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