Eva Marie: The Best Worst Wrestler In Recent WWE History

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  1. Wildcat66

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    Yesterday, Eva Marie officially parted ways with WWE; ending a four year tenure with the company.

    For the time she was there, she was quickly considered one of the absolute worst wrestlers WWE ever hired; consistently botching moves, having little psychology and not selling moves well or in some cases at all.

    Her promo skills were not that much better, the first promo she gave is some of the most wooden, dry promo cutting the company has seen in years.

    But you have to give her credit; she wanted to learn and she tried to learn. She did well for herself in NXT and it looked like she was going to be huge in SmackDown Live. And then she left, never to be seen again.

    It was clear that Eva was only hired because of her looks. And it showed tremendously. But at the end of the day, we should all be thankful to have had her on board; because even though it didn't work out, we'll always have that announcer man in the sky introducing her. And hey, you have to admit; she was actually pretty cool on Total Divas.

    In conclusion: Eva Marie will go down in history not as a good wrestler, or a decent wrestler or even a bad wrestler. She will go down as perhaps the best worst wrestler WWE has had in recent years. And I think it's a well-deserved honor.
     
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  2. LBGetBack

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    Her entrances were absolutely phenomenal though. I'd put her up there with the best entrances ever. I was enjoying her quite a bit towards the end of her NXT run. She had improved enough to where she was passable in the ring.

    In a different era, she probably would've been women's champion.
     
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  3. d_henderson1810

    d_henderson1810 Mid-Card Championship Winner

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    I haven't really seen an Eva Marie match, so it sounds like I haven't missed much.

    I consider the worst Divas wrestler I ever saw was Ashley Massaro. At that time, there were plenty of Divas who were hired for looks, not ability, but most actually improved a little bit. Candice Michelle, who I used to consider a terrible performer, had a couple of good matches with Beth Phoenix, and looked like she had actually started to get better.

    But Ashley never improved. I remember one match where she ran the ropes, and then jumped onto the middle rope, and froze. She looked like she was too scared to do the move, which means that you shouldn't be anywhere near a wrestling ring.

    Eva Marie probably should have been used as a valet, and accompanied some up-and-comer to the ring. Hey, Carmella isn't great in the ring, but has made the most of her opportunities. If Eva Marie managed someone coming up from NXT, then she may have served a purpose. But she always struck me as someone who it didn't mean enough to her, and she was there to promote herself, and further her modelling career.
     
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  4. Sadiki22

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    Not all women in WWE are meant to be wrestlers!Look what they did with JoJo and it works for her(using her strength which is her voice).They could of easily made Eva a manger or something!
     
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  5. BigDaddyKewl

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    It looked like she was going to get a big push when she debuted on Smackdown. I wish she could of gotten more of a chance on the main roster. She had the looks and an awesome entrance and she was creating some buzz. Unfortunately she got suspended shortly after her debut and they seemed to give up on her. I just don't get why they invested all this time training her and putting her on Total Divas and then never giving her a chance to shine on the main roster.
     
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    She was bad in ring. But that doesnt mean she couldnt be a valet to some wrestlers or even believable heel wrestler. Because aside for Four Horsewomen she was maybe only women with genuine reaction even if it was because of her being bad. Both sides dont lose that much though. She got years of exposure from WWE and WWE got her shallow thing on Total Divas but in the end she can do other stuff after this and WWE wont miss her that much.
     
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    Lets look over what Eva Marie really did for WWE, Not so much, WWE on the other hand took a no body like her, don't get me wrong she is beautiful but she would not be anywhere near where she is now if WWE had not hired her. She lied to WWE and it was shown on Total Diva's. People act like she's the best woman there is, she is the second biggest bust there is in WWE, just behind Paige.

    WWE gave Eva the platform to be who she is now and because WWE is trying to keep it's people off drugs Eva asked for a release. Shows you where her loyalty is and what she wants more. WWE has made her so well known she will be around the world and doing tv and movies for awhile from now due to what WWE did for her, not that she had the skills herself.

    This is one of those times where WWE got the short end of everything, As it was stated WWE wanted to keep her, she wanted to leave.

    Like Paige, I will not miss Eva, There are more Woman ready to take her place as well as woman like Brie ready to come back to take that spot and do something with it.
     
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  8. Snugglebites

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    It's a shame to see her go. Losing great characters like Eva is why WWE is going downhill. This obsession with great wrestling/wrestlers isn't working, WWE has never been about that.

    Eva would have been fantastic if given a proper opportunity. What better way to get a face cheered than by beating somebody that everybody (almost) disliked? It's such a proven and simple formula.
     
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  9. Psykohurricane55

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    I don't think we're going to miss her that much now since they pretty much replaced her with Lana. Eva was great at getting heat mostly because of that fact that she got hired for her looks and not her wrestling abilities and she use that to her advantage which is a smart move in my opinion. I really thought that when she started on smackdown last year that she could easily be the face of the division for a while, that's how good her character was. Then came the suspension and she realize she wasn'T as untouchable as she thought she was and decided to go and seek out others outside project which basically worked. So WWE knew that it was just a matter of time before she ask for her release so they try to create a new Eva marie with Emma which obviously didn't work because Emma can actually wrestle, so after that they gave the character to Lana which seem to be working, not as much as Eva's version did but still.

    In the end, Eva didn't really put butts in seat but she was really good at using the hatred that the fans had for her to her advantage and that's a rare quality in a wrestler, in fact i think it one of the most important quality in any wrestlers. So on that front, she will be miss but let face it, if we didn't think that she was gone from WWE the minute she got suspended, then we're probably the dumbest fans in wrestling.
     
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  10. Azane

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    Confusing heel heat with "Turn off the TV" heat.

    Eva was never someone I enjoyed hating, and I never got invested in her. I watched Total Divas a few times just to see what it was like, and it was a lot of Eva doing intentionally stupid scripted things to pretend reality. ("Don't tell WWE I'm doing this guys!" Was the quote that made me turn that off forever).

    I'm all down for someone being a terrible wrestler as a gimmick, it actually works quite well, but they gotta be able to play the crowd, something I never saw Eva do on screen. She plays people with her branding, but from wrestling? Literally never did anything that got any reaction from me, besides day dream, get up to make a sammich, or channel flip to see if anything else was on.

    I will admit though, I was very intrigued about Eva's comeback after the All Red everything and "could not make it here tonight" gimmick wore off, The only time I really cared about her, was after she was gone (forever in hindsight), so there's no payoff to that, just another dead angle in WWE's Library.

    She actually made me miss Jillian Hall quite a bit...
     
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  11. ShinChan

    ShinChan Gone. For. Good.

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    Ummm... I don't think that she can be called worst wrestler. At least, I won't. Because I don't even consider her a wrestler. How can I when she doesn't even know wrestling?

    Eva Marie could do something as a Diva. But when the likes of Charlotte, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Asuka etc are having bunch of entertaining matches, I just can't care to watch a Diva wrestle.

    Good riddance. Rather great.
     
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  12. Just Do It

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    One of the most striking women to ever appear on WWE TV. They could have made a LOT of money with her. Hell, they did make a lot of money with her. Total Divas would never have been what it was without her, that's for sure.
     
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  13. OYDK

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    If Eva legitimately wanted to put the work in, she probably could have been a big star for the WWE in the future, just not necessarily in the wrestling ring. Sure, if she had become even remotely passable as a wrestler she may have won the odd title or two, but like the Bellas, she likely would have been someone who found most of her success outside of the business, someone who could have built a brand around herself. She'll probably still do that now that she has a platform, but WWE just isn't going to profit from it.

    Unlike others, I do think there is a spot for people like Eva Marie in women's wrestling; an extremely sexy, marketable woman who may not be the best wrestler ever, but who's main upside is the ability to make it on front pages of magazines, appear in publicity shoots, and basically expand WWE's brand to outside markets. Being an incredible wrestler is great, but that's not what makes stars. Sasha and Charlotte are much better wrestlers than Brie and Nikki Bella, but in the big picture, the Bellas are much bigger stars.

    Shitty wrestling talent, but had star potential.
     
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  14. Jack-Hammer

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    There were some positive aspects about Eva Marie in her entrance and I was somewhat interested in her comeback bit before she screwed up and flunked the drug test. With that said, I don't think Eva really wanted to be a big star in WWE. From the moment I saw her and watched Total Divas, she struck me as someone who hoped to ultimately just get famous out of the deal. How accurate that perception is, I don't know but it just seems to fit. While she's not setting Hollywood on fire, she's still making decent money appearing in straight to DVD flicks and being with WWE has gotten her fashion line some attention.

    I've seen a few of her NXT matches and while they're certainly not classics, I have to say that I think she was better than Rosa Mendes. To me, Rosa Mendes might be the truly "best worst" in not only recent history but in all of company history. At least Eva Marie made an impression and got your attention, which is a helluva lot more than I can say about Rosa. I think the only reason she was in the company as long as she was is because it's rumored she's been banging Kevin Dunn almost the entire time she's been there.
     
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    Her in-ring work sure won't be missed. Eva Marie was awful in the ring, bottom tier levels of awful. The first couple of years she was abysmal. It was painfully obvious that she was only there for Total Divas. She did earn some respect with me when she admitted to wanting to improve and made the choice to go down to NXT for a bit. Granted, she could have been down there longer and gotten more in-ring training.... But she saw improvement at least. Her promos after going to NXT were ok. As much as she sucked at the actual in-ring portion of the job, she was good at making the fans angry. They HATED her. There was a missed opportunity there with her as a heel manager. If she were managing a heel who needed more heel heat they could have benefited from an alliance with her. If she had gotten there a little bit earlier she may have had a shot at a Divas Championship reign. She got there the same year as Kaitlyn VS AJ, the feud where the wrestling finally started to matter again in the division. By the time Paige, Emma, Alexa, and the Four Horsewomen were on the roster then Eva was never going to be in the Championship tier. Her ability to make the fans angry and that silly obnoxious entrance will be missed. Her in-ring work will NOT.
     
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    You knew she was history when they started to shove Emmalina down our throats. Eve Marie had her movie deals signed by then, and she checked out. All Eve Marie was there for was to do Total Divas and her looks. She was horrible in the ring, and a danger to her partners. She will be no loss.
     
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    She had a great look and a great entrance by the end. I admit, I absolutely hated an Eve match in her early stages because she was the WORST female wrestler ever. She worked her way up to third worst female wrestler of all time....so I'll give her that.

    Hard to say what heights she might've reached if she reached RAW.
     
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  18. Rainbow Yaz

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    That's a completely rude and bullshit statement. How do you know she didn't know wrestling? I bet she knows more than you. Just because she didn't live up to some arbritary standard set by you, doesn't mean she isn't a wrestler. I mean, I could say I don't consider you a real poster because you aren't a mod. Is that fair?

    Yeah, she wasn't good, but she likely had no say in how she debuted, how long she trained with Kendrick before being put back in a ring, and how her character was portrayed. She has my respect because she actually tried to improve. She could have just shown her face on TV, wrestled a crap match and made her hundreds of thousands each year, but she at least made an effort to not be shit.

    We all sit here and call out people we consider bad wrestlers, but I guarantee that none of us would do much better if we were thrust into her exact situation.
     
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  19. ShinChan

    ShinChan Gone. For. Good.

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    I don't think so.

    Her performance in the ring isn't enough to tell?

    Obviously. So? It's her profession, not mine.

    Arbitrary standard set by me? If you don't do what you should do, or if you don't know what you should know, What does that mean?

    Sure, you can. But that has nothing to do with it. Not every real poster will be a mod. But every wrestler should know wrestling, no?

    She wasn't just not good, she was not even passable.

    Good for her to try to improve.

    True. And that's good from her.

    And how can you say so? How can you judge without seeing all of us wrestle?
     
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    There was zero reason to break down my post sentance by sentance. It doesn't make you look smart, it makes you look like a try hard dick.

    Speaking of looking like a dick, your posts scream "I'm a judgemental dick." Would you want someone to go on the internet and point out all the flaws you have in your job or school work?

    She literally had like two years of training at one of the hardest things to do in the world. And yes, I stand by my statement that she would be better than 99% of the people who have done nothing but shit on her. On top of that she was thrust into the spotlight way sooner than she should have been. She wasn't a top talent, but to say she didn't know anything about wrestling is wrong and in fact makes you, a dick. Just because you are bad at your job doesn't mean you aren't the thing your job is. Is a bad teacher not a teacher? Is a bad cop not a cop? Is a bad doctor not a doctor? I mean hell, is a bad cashier not a cashier? Of course they are. They may be bad, but that doesn't make them not the thing they are trying to be.

    And what makes you the expert on wrestling? Have you ever been in a match? Have you ever booked a show? Have you ever served as a referee or helped build a ring or promote a show? I'm gonna guess the answer to all of those is no.

    And let me be clear, she wasn't a good in ring talent. She might have gotten there one day if she was given proper and adequate training, but to say that she didn't know wrestling or wasn't a real wrestler is an huge dick thing to say when you yourself have no intimate knowledge of wrestling.

    You know who wasn't a real wrestler? Lawrence Taylor. If you would have said LT wasn't a real wrestler, then fine. Yeah, he had a match but he had basically zero training and couldn't walk or breath when it was done.

    So I stand by my opinion that you are a dick. You didn't convince me otherwise. In fact all you managed to do was convince me you are a try hard as well as a dick.
     
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  21. ShinChan

    ShinChan Gone. For. Good.

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    So was for calling something rude & bullsh*t.

    Except that I didn't do it to look smart. Not everyone does everything to look smart. And thanks for your so-called just statement on me.

    May be to you. Thanks again for your just assessment of me.

    Sure.

    Except that you've never seen those "99%" percent doing wrestling. How can you say that without seeing their performance?

    I can't disagree.

    How cool of you!

    Yes. If you aren't good at your profession, I don't consider you professional.

    For me, it does.

    And where did I insinuate that I'm an expert? Plus, you can't have an opinion if you aren't an expert?

    To have an opinion, I need to be in a match?

    Same question again.

    Same question again.

    Good guess.

    True.

    So, I'm a huge dick because I've an opinion different from yours?

    Sorry. I don't know him. So, I can't say anything on him.

    Thanks again. For your right assessment.

    I needn't convince someone who can't discuss without calling out bad names.



    Thanks again.

    I don't think that having a different opinion makes me a dick. And I've better things to do than calling you something bad. And I bet that you too have better things. I still stand by my statement that I don't consider Eva Marie to be a wrestler. You've full freedom to disagree with it. I expect a better reply from you. God Bless You.
     
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  22. Psykohurricane55

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    i'm sorry but i couldn't help myself, it's just fun to see that i'm not the only one having a difference of opinion with you and that others on this board seem to have the same problem. It's like when we don't think like you, you take it personal for some reason. By the way this isn't an attack on you personally because in the end while i don't know you i still enjoy reading you're opinion which seem to be like a lot of what the modern fans thinks about wrestling.

    Having written that, i think that their always a limit of what a wrestling fans can and can't express in an opinion. Saying that eva marie wasn't a good wrestler is a understatement and i completely agree with does that use that statement. Saying that she couldn't wrestles that we're i think the line should be drawn in my opinion because let's face it, while she wasn't good at it, she was able to do it and when a wrestling fan say that Somebody can't wrestled makes them look stupid in my opinion. How can we as wrestling fans say that somebody can't wrestled when we having even been in a ring once. We never took a bump, we never even had the guts to try it.

    Eva, had to gut to do it, she seem to really want to learn the business and get better at it and probably would have gotten better at it if it wasn't for her suspension. Sometimes, i think that we has wrestling fans thing that we know it all because we read stuff about the business on the internet or listen to podcast. That makes give us the right to write whatever we want about any subject. But it's easy to judge somebody hiding behind a keyboard and writing stuff like EVA Marie can't wrestled when in reality, you're don't even have the guts to actually do it yourself.

    In closing, i think judging saying that a wrestler can't wrestled as an argument is like if somebody else that never did your job would go an say you can't do your job. My first reaction would be to say to them, if you think you can do better then me then prove it, do my job and i think wrestlers should get this type of attitude toward wrestling fans. If you think you're a better wrestler then they are prove it, go take bump at a wrestling school and prove that you can do it better then the person you are criticizing.
     
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  23. ShinChan

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    It's a lot funny that you say me that I take it personally when someone disagrees with me when the other person has called me "dick", "try hard" and what not multiple times and I haven't spoken anything ill of him. So, who's taking it personal? And again, I'm not attacking you personally. Personal attack is something else. Like that other person did.

    Now onto Eva Marie. Yes, she has guts to improve. But why do I need to have the guts to try wrestling to have an opinion on her wrestling? Eva Marie obviously was interested in being a wrestler and I'm not. So, how's this all about guts? And do tell me if I ever said that I will be a better wrestler than her. And I never said that I could do better than her. How do guts come regarding an opinion? If I have to state my opinion on someone's bad performance in any particular profession, then I need to do that performance myself? And I'm not hiding behind a keyboard. I'll say it anywhere. I just don't consider Eva Marie a wrestler. That's all I intended to say. Not "I'm better than Eva", "I'll do better wrestling than Eva" etc.
     
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  24. Psykohurricane55

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    I'm not saying you don't have the right to your opinion, I'm just saying that they're a way to express your opinion. When you write the she's not a wrestler or she can't wrestle then it's like saying you could do better then her.

    Do I think she was a bad wrestler, yes I think she is, but I still consider her as a wrestler because at less she's able to take bump without hurting herself or her opponent.

    Like Lance storm said a couple of years ago. I think the comment of "you can't wrestled" shouldn't exist and saying or writing this as an argument make no sense when you didn't experience it first.
     
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  25. ShinChan

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    Okay. Cool. I won't say that anymore. Because I don't wanna sound like I'll be better than her.

    More about Eva Marie. I think that she could've been a better wrestler if it was her main focus. I don't think that wrestling was her main focus. May be she wanted just more exposure. And she got plenty through WWE.
     
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