ECW Region, Los Angeles Subregion, First Round: (14) Brock Lesnar vs. (19) Samoa Joe

[klunderbunker]

This is a first round match in the ECW Region, Los Angeles Subregion. It is a standard one on one match held under ECW Rules, meaning anything goes. It will be held at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, California.

#14. Brock Lesnar

Vs.

#19. Samoa Joe

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[Thriller Ant]

Joe will hit Lesnar pretty hard and can hold up against the MMA stuff better than most, but Joe won't have the size advantage he is used to having in most of his matches. Add in Lesnar's freakish strength and as much as it hurts me to say, Joe will go down without too much difficulty.

 

[Alex]

Both can take beatings pretty well and both can dish it out. But the thing is Brock is more likely to go down to a submission than he is brute force and Joe can do those in spades.

I'm still on the fence because I give the sheer brute force edge to Brock, but Joe has loads of submissions in his arsenal which means he could make Brock tap. So it would all depend if Brock could beat Joe to a pulp (itself a rather difficult task) before Joe can lock in a rear-naked choke.

 

[AhSpicyDrop]

Throughout the majority of Joe's career he's been used to being the one with the strength advantage. He definitely wouldn't have that here versus Lesnar, a guy known for throwing a lot of weight around with ease. I would give Joe the advantage in speed and striking, and he could work Lesnar over quite a bit in that regard... Joe would be worn down by Lesnar's relentless pace. I see Joe giving just as much as he takes, but in the end the cardio and sheer power of Lesnar would triumph. Joe will fall victim to an F5, or lose via getting his arm/shoulder broken by Lesnar's Key Lock. This match definitely isn't a walk-through for Brock though.

 

[#MrScissorsKick]

Both have MMA backgrounds but the edge here goes to Lesnar. He has such strength and power and is able to legit fight/spar/brawl with pretty much almost anyone. He won the UFC Heavyweight Title. Lesnar has been to the top in both the WWE and UFC. Joe has that BJJ/Muay Thai background that would help him in just about any other match he's in other than facing Lesnar. 9 out of 10 times, Lesnar would walk out of the ring as the winner. I don't think Samoa Joe has the ability to with stand the beating and strikes of Lesnar but I don't think Lesnar has faced the size/quickness ability of Samoa Joe. Got to go with Lesnar here.

v- lesnar

 

[IHW]

This is going to be quite the match-up. Both men, with similar styles, know how to inflict pain- as well as take it. Both men have size, both men have strength, both men have experience. Only different I can think of, other than the obvious star power, is that Samoa Joe loves the business, where as Lesnar loves the money. Is that enough to get Joe the win? Probably not.

Vote Lesnar, I suppose.

 

[6timehitta]

You wanna talk about a tough match up, Good Lord, I think Samoa Joe was Brock Lesnar Lite for a long time in ROH, but in the end I think Lesnar's overall strength would be able to be that one thing that put him over Joe. Joe makes it interesting, but in the end Lesnar uses the F5 and takes out Samoa Joe, who got a really unfortunate draw this year.

 

[Brewski]

This is a GREAT match, I would love to see this. While Joe has (in my opinion) better profesional wrestling talent Brock is way more brutal, especially as of late. Under regular rules this match might be closer but I think Lesnar pins Joe in one brutal bloodbath of a match.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Brock Lesnar is everything Joe wants to be. Brock can do all the same shit Joe does, and he's twice the man.

He's in better shape - bigger, stronger and faster. Joe is fat, slow and hasn't faced anyone quite like Brock. Not at that level of physicality.

Brock wins, quickly. Don't kid yourselves, Joe marks.

 

[El Rev sXe]

Both can take beatings pretty well and both can dish it out. But the thing is Brock is more likely to go down to a submission than he is brute force and Joe can do those in spades.

I'm still on the fence because I give the sheer brute force edge to Brock, but Joe has loads of submissions in his arsenal which means he could make Brock tap. So it would all depend if Brock could beat Joe to a pulp (itself a rather difficult task) before Joe can lock in a rear-naked choke.

I agree with you to some extent Alex, but you are forgetting that Lesnar with his MMA actually knows alot of submissions. The current Lesnar is more dangerous because he does not only have his brutal force but also his submission knowledge, the kimura lock.

Either by submission or pinfall, Lesnar wins here.

 

[Con T.]

Brock Slam. Brock Smash. Brock Destroy.

Listen, I like Samoa Joe, I really do. I backed him to beat Chris Jericho last year. Brock Lesnar is what people envision Samoa Joe to be, and better. And probably the scariest thing about Brock Lesnar is that he's sadistically intelligent. He doesn't just know how to win matches, he knows how to cripple his opponents. I still remember what Brock did to (admittedly aged) Hulk Hogan; I legitimately believe Brock Lesnar has all the makings of a sociopath.

Brock's Gonna Kill You

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm going with Lesnar and it's not even a close call.

To me, Joe is someone that was always billed as a badass but, frankly, I've never really seen it. I always thought the hype exceeded the actual guy. Joe is someone that I've generally thought of as someone who plays a badass while Brock Lesnar actually is a badass.

I'm sure we'll be hearing this a lot but it's true: Lesnar dominated WWE for the roughly 2 years he was there. He won 3 WWE Championships and just happened to beat every big star along the way including Taker, Cena, Rock, Big Show, Angle, Hardy, RVD, Benoit, Mysterio, Guerrero, etc.

If this was a measure on who generally has more heart and who loves the business more, Joe would win hands down. Lesnar went up against and beat, mostly, much bigger stars on a much bigger stage and has drawn much more money that Samoa Joe ever has.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Strength: Brock Lesnar by a football field. Ha...see what I did there? I'd like to see Joe hoist up the Big Show.

Speed: Probably giving this one to Joe, but Brock can move pretty fast for a Heavyweight.

Endurance: Giving it to Brock. Joe has never been terrible in shape. I've seen him wrestle longer matches, but he does tire out and go to the rest hold well a LOT when you start getting past the 15-20 minute mark. I think pre or post liver injuries, Lesnar has the edge here.

Experience: Easily goes to Joe here, as he's wrestled longer overall and faced off in way more matches, against a ton of different opponents. He's got ROH and TNA experience, and a myriad of other indys. HOWEVER, Brock has the one thing Joe does not: exposure in the main event of THE company. Joe has never been "the man" anywhere, let alone at the top of WWE, taking out names like the Rock, John Cena, Triple H, etc. So Joe gets the edge for longevity, but Lesnar has always been a quick learner. How long did it take him to become UFC CHamp?

Moveset: Here's the thing...almost every Joe match results in somebody foolishly trying to trade punches with him. Watch his matches - it always ends up with Joe coming back and firing into the corner for the kick. But Lesnar's UFC experience actually puts him on par with Joe in strikes. Joe has a sick submission background, but Lesnar is also a big guy, and could probably power out of a rear naked choke if he had to. Brock has the bigger power set with the F5 as the finisher, but Joe has a lot more diversity. Tied up in my opinion.

Booking: Um....ECW....Paul Heyman....Brock Lesnar...

So I believe by my count, that puts Lesnar up by one point, to go ahead for the victory. I know I didn't need to do all that - Joe isn't gonna beat Lesnar in a million years. But I just thought I'd do the math. I don't think Heyman booking is going to play into a ton of matches in ECW, but you have to at least bring it up for Brock and Punk both being involved this year.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Ummm..... yeah, this match is pretty damn one sided and there is no way Joe beats Lesnar.

Lesnar could literally do anything, Joe could do a lot but Joe was no where near the level of Lesnar. I think this could be a very good match but Lensar has everything on Joe in every conceivable way. He's a bigger name, better wrestler, has more charisma and in MMA has made the type of money that would make Cena jealous. He main evented his first Wrestlemania and walked out champion. Also his matches with Angle were better than those "so called classics" Joe had with Punk. You would actually have to be a huge mark or high to vote for Joe here.

 

[Shocky]

Brock kills Samoans. Poor Rikishi, destroyed by Lesnar. Poor Rock, destroyed by Lesnar. A guy named Samoa Joe is going to stop Brock's attack against the isle of Samoa, I think not.

Brock Lesnar destroys Super heavyweights. So much of Joe's attacks are based on intimidation and over powering, he can do neither with Lesnar. Samoa Joe might bring that stupid knife out to the ring, Lesnar would stab himself and lick the blood.

Lesnar is stronger, faster, has more endurance, and is more brutal. In a setting without rules, Lesnar is nearly unstoppable. Samoa Joe is outmatched, and Joe gets beaten solidly.

 

[deem]

It's hard to define Joe's peak. I guess TNA world champion, but he was certainly booked more dominantly in ROH in that two year spell where he just ruined EVERYONE.

Brock's peak is his entire career. He hasn't ever done anything but dominate and tear people apart. I mean, other than Cena and Goldberg it's hard to name people that have got the better of him in a payoff match.

Angle did well. Each match was closely fought. I don't remember all but Lesnar won at Mania, Angle won at Summerslam, Lesnar won the ironman. That's a positive record against a bigger name AND better submission wrestler than Samoa Joe. He also beat Benoit on Smackdown (that match is absolutely great btw, definitely highly recommend it).

So this whole "Lesnar's weakness is submission" thing is kinda overhyped imo. One very public submission at Summerslam to Angle, one submission to Benoit in a Survivor Series match. Those are probably the two best submission specialists modern time (maybe Flair?).

I'm taking nothing away from Joe when I pick lesnar here. Joe's an unstoppable monster at his peak and no one in the world at their very best would ever squash him imo. Lesnar's just done more in his short time in the industry though and he's proven time and time again that he's more than a match for great strikers and the more powerful wrestlers.

Lesnar goes over.

 

[Tastycles]

Oh, how I hate Brock Lesnar, but no matter what, I can't see him losing here. Joe is so obviously not marketable or really interesting, but he got a big push by small companies. Decisions like that are why they're small companies. Joe's put on a few decent matches, but so what? Millions of people have done that.

Lesnar is utterly shit, but there's no denying the fact that he has accomplished a lot more than Samoa Joe ever did in much less time. Lesnar isn't terrible in the ring, and he is certainly more likely to be a face in the company. The weapons don't make a difference here, and Lesnar annihilates him.

 

[The Brain]

Joe wins his matches by physically dominating his opponents. That's not going to happen against Lesnar. Lesnar is bigger and stronger. He's a standout amature wrestler and MMA champion, not to mention pro wrestling champion. Joe has met his match.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I've seen some of Joe's matches... and it's really a wonder he gets around like he does to be as out of shape and tubby as he is. Lesnar's a monster and would be more than up to the task of being as physical with Fat Joe.

Lesnar dominates this match and wins with an F5 that bursts Joe's appendix.

 

[LSN80]

Try as he may, Joe just can't seem to stay relevant for long. He's a big guy with deceptive speed and legit wrestling skills, but there's something about him that simply doesn't connect. His year and a half undefeated streak? His World Championship run? Both afterthoughts, and forgettable. He's failed to make an impact for some time, if you will.

Lesnar is the opposite. He's one of only a few who can come and go as he pleases from this wrestling bubble, and become immediately relevant. He dominated when he entered WWE, and he was dominant in his two return matches thusfar. He's a monster who can do everything Joe does, and do it better. He's bigger, stronger, and faster. He's got Joe's legit wrestling skills times 5.

There's simply no way Joe wins this match. He's booked as the guy who can't quite get the job done. That kind of guy doesn't beat Brock Lesnar. Lesnar would dominate Joe, and the Samoan Submission Machine would tap out, or get his arm broken. Lesnar advances.