Best Remake Or Reboot

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What Wins The Zonie For Best Remake Or Reboot?

  1. The Dark Knight

  2. The Thomas Crown Affair

  3. Red Dragon

  4. Little Shop Of Horrors

  5. Father Of The Bride

  6. Ocean's 11

  7. Cape Fear

  8. The Fly

  9. Casino Royale

  10. True Grit

  11. Let Me In

  12. I Spit On Your Grave

  13. Scarface

  14. The Departed

  15. Halloween

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  1. IrishCanadian25

    IrishCanadian25 Going on 10 years with WrestleZone

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    2011 Zonie Awards

    Nominees for Best Remake / Reboot

    The Dark Knight

    Thomas Crown Affair

    Red Dragon

    Little Shop of Horrors

    Father of the Bride

    Ocean's 11

    Cape Fear

    The Fly

    Casino Royale

    True Grit

    Let Me In

    I Spit on Your Grave

    Scarface

    The Departed

    Halloween


    *discussion will be open until Wednesday, May 18th, on which date the polls will open and voting will be permitted. No spamming, no flaming.


     
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    Nominees for Best Remake / Reboot

    The Dark Knight - Not sure how this is a remake, or reboot. Fantastic film, but it's a sequel.

    Thomas Crown Affair - Haven't seen this film.

    Red Dragon - Ed Norton and Ralph Fiennes couldn't save this movie. It wasn't as bad as some people go on about, but it didn't live up to Manhunter, and it didn't need to, but wasn't even close. I really enjoyed Fiennes, as usual, but the rest of the cast, including Norton, seemed to be sleepwalking.

    Little Shop of Horrors - Haven't seen the film.

    Father of the Bride - Steve Martin is funny, and I think this film worked. It did exactly what it was supposed to do; took the story, and moved it into the 90's. I really enjoyed it, but not a classic.

    Ocean's 11 - I liked it. Clooney was his usual, solid self, and Pitt brought some personality. The heist turned out to be quite complex, which is always good. Not a personal favorite, but I liked it (a hell of a lot more than the sequels).

    Cape Fear - I love this film. Scorsese and DeNiro have never been given enough praise for what they did here. Big differences, in terms of the family, from the original, and it worked. Changing the dynamic of that family (Nolte basically being a scumbag, the mother a basket case, and the daughter a curious, rebellious teen) made sure the film never slowed down. The pace never dropped off. Even when Max wasn't around to terrify the audience, the family kept you hooked, with all of the problems they had. I think this is probably the best remake of the 90's, might get my vote.

    The Fly - Haven't seen the original, actually.

    Casino Royale - This is how you reboot a series. Daniel Craig is probably my 2nd favorite Bond (Connery obviously being #1), and he has done that in only two films. Just an action film, although some will make another argument. But, it was a great action film.

    True Grit - Really, really good. In fact, I think I enjoyed this film more than I did the original, and that doesn't happen very often. I won't go into everything I liked about, as that would take hours, but, along with Cape Fear, this is at the top of the list (so far).

    Let Me In - Like the original, I walked away feeling something. I usually hate the word "haunting" when used to describe a film, but I cannot think of a better word. This movie stuck with me, like the original, for days. It wasn't scary, more creepy. I don't know how to describe, but I really liked it. Some film snobs automatically hate it, mainly because they hate American versions of such films, but this worked, really well.

    I Spit on Your Grave - Haven't seen the film.

    Scarface - Technically a remake, especially the brother/sister relationship. But, these films didn't have a similar feel to them. Changed setting probably had a lot to do with it. I like this movie, a lot, but it's overrated. Some people attempt to make more out of it than what it is. It's a glorified action film, with amazing dialogue. Like I said, I really like it, but it's not that great.

    The Departed - I really enjoyed this film, one of the best of the 2000's. As with Let Me In, it suffers from some hating remakes, especially American takes. However, this film was as entertaining as they come, and the pacing was perfect. It never stopped to take a rest, and was never boring. Each character meant something, really meant something, and the dialogue was some of the best Scorsese has put out there. Great film, right up there with True Grit and Cape Fear.

    Halloween - I was certain I would hate this film. Absolutely certain. And, I didn't. I didn't love it, but Zombie didn't do a terrible job with it. The backstory of the killer was probably the best part of the film, in my opinion. Really liked it, but it's nothing special.

    The Thing (1982) is the only remake, in my opinion, which completely surpassed the original. Shame it's not on this list. Same goes for Heat, A Fistful of Dollars, Batman Begins, Star Trek, Sling Blade, and The Man Who Knew Too Much.

    Not sure which film is getting my vote, so I'll have to narrow it down.
     
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    :headscratch::headscratch::headscratch:

    Probably the front-runner for my vote at the moment. This movie owned.

    Why is this piece of shit even on this list? Bret Ratner solidified himself as one of Hollywood's worst directors with this film and with After The Sunset. I hate the fact that Ratner's behind one of my favorite action franchises of all time (Rush Hour), but everyone has a little bit of talent in them.

    I can't stand musicals. I actually saw this film when I was a kid but I left the room after 30 minutes. Yeah, maybe I'm a bit biased here, but I'll admit to the bias and tell you flat-out that this film won't be getting my vote.

    Solid film (I'm a huge Steve Martin fan too). I would consider this one if it weren't for its significantly inferior sequel.

    Soderbergh, the "cool" director. I think he became uncool as soon as he made The Limey (Traffic was solid, though).

    Great performances but I didn't dig Scorsese's directing in this one. It has an indescribable "90s" feel to it that makes it seem very dated (I feel the same way about such films as Carlito's Way).

    I hate 80% of the stuff Cronenberg directs. The Fly is a mediocre film mainly known for it special effects. Pass.

    Don't watch Bond movies. If someone makes a strong case for this one I'll consider voting for it (even if I haven't seen it).

    Save for the film which netted them gold, I can't stand the Coen Brothers.

    Fuck this film and fuck Hollywood for thinking that anyone within its confines had the talent to even come close to the brilliance of Let The Right One In.

    This is a torture porn, B-movie schlockfest. It pretends to be something different, but it's not. It's a decent film in its own right, but it pales in comparison to some of the other choices here.

    I'm having a hard time considering this one a remake. I'll back it in other categories, just not this one.

    Just...no.

    My dark horse. Halloween 2 sucked, but I'll give credit to Zombie for making the best horror franchise reboot yet.
     
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  4. JGlass

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    This is a sequel to the reboot, though the obvious superior of the two films. Still, because of its status as sequel this one doesn't deserve to win, but likely will. It's an awesome movie and it has a huge following.

    Haven't seen it.

    Pales in comparison to most other films on the list.

    I started watching it and I made it through a few songs before I had to turn it off before I took a jump out of my seventh story room.

    I love this movie, and it might subtly be one of Steve Martin's bests, but I'm not sure if it outranks True Grit.

    This was a film that relied entirely on the fact that every single character with more than three lines was some sort of power player in Hollywood. Fun film, not a great one by any stretch of the imagination.

    Haven't seen them.

    As a Bond fan I HATED this movie. It wasn't a Bond film, it was an action/thriller with a protagonist named James Bond. As a standalone film though, it's pretty good, about a million times better than the steaming pile of dog crap called Quantum of Solace, but that's not saying much.

    Fucking fantastic movie from beginning to end. The Coen Brothers managed to keep me totally engrossed for the entire two hours by immersing me into a, as far as I'm concerned, totally realistic Wild West. The acting was nothing short of phenomenal, the scenery was breathtaking, and the storytelling of the film was nothing short of brilliant. I'm sticking with True Grit I think.

    I was saying, "Let me out!" the entire time I was watching this! (Channeling my inner Gene Shallot)

    Nope.

    I honestly have to watch this again considering the last time I watched it was probably in high school, but I think this film is overrated.

    I really like this movie. It's a lot of fun, great acting by a fantastic cast, and it has dat Hamlet ending that I love so much. That said, it's just not as good a film as True Grit, but probably second on my list.

    I have a very funny story about how my friends and I saw this movie, but that's probably the most enjoyment I got out of this film. It's actually quite good, very enjoyable, Rob Zombie did a great job at bringing a classic horror film to a new generation, but at the end of the day it's just a slasher flick.


    Right now my standings for this look like this...

    1) True Grit
    2) The Departed
    3) Father of the Bride
     
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    Dave and IC,

    For realz, The Thing needs to be in contention here. I know I nominated it for Best Horror Film, but please see it in your hearts that it gets a nomination in this category. If not, I understand. Still, like nickb03 said, it more than deserves to be on this list.
     
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  6. jmt225

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    I have to go with Cape Fear.

    I have to admit that I watched the original only after first seeing Scorsese's remake. But I loved the remake so much that I decided to check out the original (something I rarely do), and I thought the remake was far, far superior. Don't get me wrong... the original was actually pretty good, especially for its day and age, but the remake trumps it in every possible way, in my opinion.

    First and foremost... the performances from Robert De Niro and Juliette Lewis are absolutely stellar. In fact, I'm willing to go as far as to say they were the best performances of their careers, and yes... that includes De Niro (well, maybe I shouldn't say De Niro's BEST, but it most certainly was his most unique).

    Now, from the story's perspective, I thought what made the remake better than the original was what Scorsese decided to do with Nick Nolte's character, Sam Bowden, and Juliette Lewis' character, Nancy. In the original, Sam Bowden was the perfect little husband, and his daughter Nancy was an innocent little angel. But, of course, by the time this remake was made, hardly any family was that perfect and I absolutely love the fact that Scorsese decided to give these characters flaws and make them like real people. In the sixties you could put these flawless families in film and on television and have it still be believable (even though it wasn't realistic by any means, since families back then had just as many problems as families did by the nineties), but by the early eightiesÂ… to keep it realistic in film and television, every "normal" family needed flaws in their personalities, and Sam and Nancy having those flaws in the remake made the film so much better and much more dramatic, if you ask me.
     
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  7. Smooth Sexual Chocolate

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    Batman Begins would be a great choice here, two bad for all those TDK fanboys.

    I've really enjoyed Daniel Craig as the "young" bad ass James Bond, the reboot is also comparable to the most recent batman films, both having gone with a "darker" feel to the films, which was a very nice added touch to the Bond films, and something that had been previously lacking. That's why I'll be going with Casino Royale.
     
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    I definetly have to say The Departed, I saw this movie fearing for the worst(especially with Matt Damon in it) but I was very happy to walk out of that movie theatre with a new favorite movie. I have always been a big Dicaprio fan but this movie really brought out his brilliance and I think that he was the main reason I loved it. Throw in Scorcese, Martin Sheen, the wonderful Jack Nicholson and a good performance from Marky Mark and you've got an amazing movie.
     
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  9. FitFinlay4Life

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    Disqualified for me, neither consider it remake (no similarity to Burton's 'Batman') or reboot (because 'Batman Begins' would hold that honour).

    Didn't really enjoy this, outside of Rene Russo's ball gown and wishing Brosnan was playing Bond nothing really stood out.

    Not in the same ballpark as Manhunter.

    Very fond of this film, the cameos by Steve Martin and Bill Murray are excellent.

    Steve Martin was good but I think his humorous re-imagining of 'Cyrano De Bergerac' as CB in 'Roxanne' is a better show.

    I found it better than the original but a bit to self congratulatory for my tastes all the same.

    Preferred the original and thought DeNiro overdid the psycho shtick.

    Pretty good horror but nothing spectacular.

    Some nice updates to the Bond character and universe, problem is Connery is timeless.

    The Dude out cowboys the Duke and Hailee Steinfeld is unbelievable. Strong contender for me.

    I've read the book and watched both films. This is the bravest remake in this list in that it faced two major hurdles, firstly it was always going to get a harder ride because the foreign original 'Let The Right One In' was absolutely adored by critics and audiences alike and secondly, it was released a whole two years after it. Despite this, most critics have had to give the devil his due and admit that 'Let Me In' is a great film in it's own right. I've to agree with this assessment, each film has aspects that are better than the other and I'd be hard pushed to pick a favourite. But to put it simply, 'Let Me In' seamlessly moves 'Let The Right One In' to the US and removes the language barrier in doing so. For casual film goers who don't enjoy subtitles, 'Let Me In' will be a great experience. For lovers of films, it is a new way to look at a film that became an instant classic. In my eyes it just beats 'True Grit'.

    Unlikeable original, that is exceeded by it's remake in unlikeability. If you enjoy your nasties, this could be your film.

    I'm blah about gangster films, glorifying scumbags is something I just don't like. As such I'm not the guy to critique how good or bad this remake is... but it'll certainly not be getting my vote in any category.

    Personally prefer 'Infernal Affairs' above 'The Departed' but I put part of this down to a dislike of Leonardo DiCaprio. It'd be third on my list from these choices.

    Like 'Manhunter' is far superior to 'Red Dragon', watching the original 'Halloween' makes watching it's remake a chore.

    One final thing, 'Let Me In' is not a Hollywood remake it was done by the greatest name in Horror movies - Hammer!
     
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  10. Mac Attack

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    The Dark Knight

    Personally I truly feel that the Dark Knight is by far the best reboot of the entire list. People these days are intrigued and wanting more Batman. I think the Dark Knight was the best movie in the entire list and the Dark Knight utterly destroyed all the other in total revenue. The Dark Knight has always been a movie that nearly everyone likes and it also features Christian Bale who has an amazing performance in the entire reboot.
     
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  11. Mitch Henessey

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    I think I'm going to have to go with Halloween. I thought Halloween 2 (2009) was a horrendous piece of shit, but Halloween was an outstanding remake. Witnessing the transformation of a young Michael Myers was something unreal. He started out as this disturbed young boy. He was an outcast, but as the film progressed, he turned into this demented and quiet killer. Halloween did have a good amount of terror, and there was some nice suspense towards the end.

    A lot of the horror remakes these days are mediocre or very shitty, but Halloween doesn't fall into that category at all.
     
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    Batman Begins would have been a runaway winner, but as others have pointed out, Dark Knight is neither a remake nor a reboot, so automatic disqualification.

    I am also going to disqualify Casino Royale. It is not a remake or a reboot either. The Daniel Craig version treated the source book with dignity, instead of turning it into well, a Woody Allen movie, so I have a hard time considering this as a remake of Allen's. It only bears a very superficial resemblance at best. It isn't really a reboot either, since the James Bond movies never really went away. Setting something as a prequel is not a reboot.

    I am going to go with True Grit. This is quite frankly, a fucking fantastic movie. The original movie was pretty good too, but the Jeff Bridges version was amazing. The fact that it didn't win any of the 10 catagories it was nominated for an Oscar for was downright highway robbery. I am not a fan of Westerns at all. I didn't grow up watching Gunsmoke, Bonanza or any of that. There are three total Westerns that I will watch, Tombstone, Unforgiven, and True Grit.
     
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    True Grit. The Coen brothers managed to take a remake of a western from 1969 starring John Wayne and give it a modern retelling without desecrating the original in the process.

    Roger Deakins did a hell of a job with the cinematography in this film. The atmosphere in the film is just right to make it feel like this was shot forty years ago with the technology of today. The way the film is shot gives an authentic western feel that is impossible to ignore. The opening scene is a great example, as well. We fade-in to a light source slowly emerging on a black screen as the blurry scene slowly begins to focus and we're shown the first tragedy of the film. The lighting was also exceptional. Conversations around a campfire and in candle light have never looked so great.

    You spend most of the time in True Grit getting to know both Mattie Ross and Rooster Cogburn along with the brief relationship they had. We follow Mattie Ross as it's proved time and time again that she's incredibly intelligent for a fourteen year old and, unless guns are involved, is more than capable of taking care of herself. For her first film, Hailee Steinfeld is impressive in an extraordinary kind of way. Her stubborn attitude is portrayed in a way that makes Mattie come off as a strong woman character who is still too young to be saying or partaking in the events that unfold. Rooster Cogburn is another memorable character to add to Jeff Bridges resume that he portrays to drunken excellence. The one down side is that his rambling is incoherent at times. Imagine having a wad of snuff in one cheek and a mouthful of cotton balls in the other while trying to talk and that's how Cogburn sounds more often than not. But what you are capable of understanding is pretty brilliant whether Cogburn is telling a story from his past and letting his dry humor shine through, trying to convince LaBoeuf to let him rip out his tongue, or drunkenly trying to shoot cornbread he threw into the air to prove that he's a good shot, Cogburn is a rather colorful character that Bridges brilliantly portrays. The characters are even more lively and fleshed out in the remake then the original, and I preferred it to the original for that reason.

    Im not generally a fan of the Coens brothers work, or of Westerns in general. But True Grit 2010 is not only a better film than the '69 version, it's a reimagining of it. The photography, supporting cast, and all around production is better. I have no doubt that Rooster Cogburn will ultimately be remembered by most as John Wayne, but I have to hand it to Jeff and the Coens for putting on a spectacular film, both a delight for the eyes and ears.
     
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    Haven't seen or don't remember enough about these to comment on them

    One of my absolute favorite films of all time and easily the best superhero/comic book film adaptation in the history of cinema. However, like others I am confused as to why this is on the list as it is neither a remake or a reboot. Batman Begins would have been a worthy choice here however

    One of Steve Martin's best imo

    I actually hadn't seen the Ocean's series until about 3 or so years ago for whatever reason. Since then, I've seen this movie probably 10 or 15 times. The other two weren't quite as good, but this one was fantastic. Great cast led by Clooney and Pitt in what seems like a natural role for them, but also with solid performances by a number of others. It ranks at the top of heist movies imo, and has actually been used as similar formula in other notable films, most recently Fast Five which was maybe the best in that series.

    After years of wallowing in mediocrity and nothingness, Bond films returned to form here. I was skeptical about Craig in the title role, but he has far exceeded expectations and become one of the best actors to portray bond. Both his films have been solid and I love the inclusion of Quantum in a series of Bond films; reminds me of the classic films involving Spectre. This was a classic bond story that started a series with a much younger Bond than we've ever seen before. Truly one of my favorite Bond films

    Original wasn't much more than torture porn, but this one was horrid. No cinematic value for me at all.

    Another classic film, and may get backing from me in other categories, but not this one. I don't consider it a remake just because it was remade from a movie that came out before Hitler was a household name

    One of the best films of the decade imo. I know DiCaprio gets alot of hate, but for me there is no denying that he has been in several fantastic films and can play a variety of roles, something I always admire in an actor. Aside from him, there is a talented cast consisting of Nicholson, Damon, and Wahlberg who are play there part perfectly. Loved the story and the twists at the end.

    I don't get the love I'm seeing. Hollywood cannot make a solid horror movie to save their lives. There have been maybe a few really good ones since the run of Michael, Jason, and Freddy in the 80s. I think part of the reason I hate this film is because of how iconic the original was. Michael Myers was the man that I was scared to death of as a child having seen the early Halloween movies. This one takes an interesting approach, but just can't keep my attention and isn't scary at all imo


    So, there's a few options here for me. I'll be listening to the banter and formulate an opinion in the coming days
     
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