If you don't mind, I'll respond to you arse over tit - I'll address the bolded parts in each case. Yourself, 772Attitude, Pheonix and Friendly Neighbourhood JGlass have all alluded to HBK's loses since his return in 2002 - I believe it was Pheonix who referred to him as a 'jobber to the stars'. In his run from WMXII to WMXIV, this could not be claimed to be the case (rumoured in part to be due to his feud with Bret in the 'losing his smile' affair). The loss to Big Show was down to naivity in not seeing a Heyman swerve, not something that reflects well on him. The loss to Kurt Angle at Vengence was in a No DQ match, so by definition it was a clean loss followed by your aforementioned match at SummerSlam and a clean loss of the IWGP belt in 2007. He tapped out to the Rabid Wolverine at the Survivor Series where his team of comparative giants lost to the smaller more technically proficient group. His loss to Eddie was of his own doing - nothing forced him to antagonise Goldberg at the Royal Rumble. Three members of the Kliq were or went onto become headliners - Kevin Nash defeated Goldberg for the WCW title and came out on top in a number one contenders match as well meanng that he ultimately came out ahead of him in both feuds they had. Trips may not have had the tools as a heel to cleanly vanquish big Bill but he did come away from their feud with the title. Two of HBK's underlings in the Kliq had the smarts to exit feuds with Goldberg losing the gold, never to regain. It is a pity that this match never occured as this would have been the perfect scenario for the ultimate HBK match; while Vader, 'Taker et al were no slouches at throwing Shawn around - Lesnar's god given gifts would have been that much better. Despite (and more likely because) of that, HBK would still come out on top during the kayfabe primes because it makes for a better storyline and the headline face is always due to ultimately vanquish the headline heel - the more unlikely this is to happen, the better.