Asuka passes Goldberg's undefeated streak record; 174-0 now.

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  1. ShinChan

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    So we all remember Goldberg going 173-0 in his undefeated streak in WCW. That number has always been regarded as somewhat inflated.

    But Asuka has now passed the official record of 173-0. Legitimate number is supposed to be near 155 so she has passed it both legitimately and officially. She hasn't been pinned or submitted in 174 matches since joining NXT.

    Well, I never expected Asuka to have such long undefeated stint in NXT. But it was entertaining nonetheless and I think that she might have retained her title at TakeOver: Orlando just to officially pass this record.

    Now that it has passed the record, I doubt if she'll ever lose in NXT. Maybe get a call-up like Paige and relinquish the title or lose indirectly in a match where she doesn't need to be pinned to get the title off her.
     
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  2. ilapierre

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    Yeah...but..women are inferior to men..always have been, always will be.

    Plus, NXT is small potatoes. This is the worst main event WWE era ever. And NXT is the minor leagues to that.

    Goldberg went 173-0 against the best competition in the history of the business.

    And also...barely anyone watches NXT. The rating is under1. WCW was pulling in record breaking ratings upwards of 5 or 6.

    So whatever Asuka did will only be remembered by a minority of blowhards who take women's wrestling seriously..
     
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    it's nice to know sexism is alive and well in the world, scumbag
    why?
    WcW changed the number so much I doubt he actually went 173-0
    NxT is on the Network while WcW was the biggest wrestling company during a big chunk of the 90s. comparing the 2 is unfair and bullshit
    No it will be remembered by a lot of people. Not everyone is as sexist as you. Don't bother responding as you're going on my ignore list so I won't be seeing anything you say.


    As for Asuka beating Goldberg's record I think that's pretty cool. She does need to lose sometime though and whoever beats her will have a rather huge feather in their cap.
     
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    Not sure if that one dude is serious or not. Every time I think someone on the internet is joking I usually see something on par with it attempting to be taken seriously. The stupidity that overshadows any reasonable or logical thinking in pro-wrestling is way too vast. Easier just to take a glance and take it for what it is worth in comedy. It is always disappointing to be reminded whether it be joking or not some idiot actually thought that out and that they aren't alone.

    Anyway.. I just want to say it's super awesome to see people like Nakamura and her on WWE TV. I never really grew up with the company, and when I did have it available it was during a time where I didn't like any male wrestler maybe outside of Edge and a few others. There was no one I could relate to or even find interest in, and that really sucked. Now to see people I have not just nostalgia love, but can also relate to on WWE programming means a lot to me. I think I take it for granted a lot of the time, but it melts my heart to see Asuka on a major English oriented wrestling platform doing this stuff.

    Love her to death, and I am glad she beat the record. Also Goldberg will still hold that ridiculously impressive accolade and be recognized for it. It's not like people are going to trash Demolition, because New Day broke their tag reign or anything. He is fine with it, and It went to good hands. Hands a lot better than his in regards to pro-wrestling in a ring.
     
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    The best REALLY? almost 50% of that streak was against grade A Jobbers.....The type that even Nia Jax could beat
    Lets look at an illustrious list of
    Scotty Riggs, Mike Anthony, The Renegade, Steveie Ray, Barry Horowitz, Mongo, Kendall Windham, Jim Powers, Mark Starr, Buddy lee Parker, Virgil, Chase Tatum, Glacier, Lodi, Hammer, Sick Boy, Wayne Bloom, Mike Enos, etc...As a matter of fact before defeating Raven for the US belt the only significant wins under his belt were vs Meng, Regal and Big Boss Man..
     
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    The biggest problem with Asuka at this point, is after a build this strong, what do you do with her? There isn't anyone in NXT, or on the horizon, that have been booked strong enough to take the title from her in any kind of believable fashion.

    I really thought Daria Berenato was on the path to being the one, she had a great look, a cool gimmick, and a believability from her MMA background, but from what I understand they've now taken all of that away from her and repackaged her with a new gimmick and name (Sonya Deville).

    At this point I think the best option is to just call her up, and have her relinquish the title, but if she does that then it would be absurd to have her job to any of the main roster women anytime in the near future. They've kinda booked themselves into a corner, the same way WCW did with Goldberg, when you build anyone this big, however the streak ends will never seem like it was the right way to do it.
     
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  7. The Perfect Max

    The Perfect Max I Am Jericho

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    I've had a run in with that guy above, nobody take him seriously.

    As for Asuka, I'm mixed with my opinion on this. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's absolutely fantastic that she's achieved such a feat. It's not something that has been done before with the women and whoever beats her from now on, especially the first person to beat her, will get a massive, massive rub.

    Problem for me is... the competition hasn't always been THAT great. It's been great in places (Bayley, Mickie James and Ember Moon, for instance), but at others times it's been so-so. Perhaps that's just me being a little jaded because of the history of women that have come through NXT. When you think at one time we had Charlotte Flair, Sasha Banks, Bayley and Becky Lynch, among others, there is a massive comparison that can be made. Having said all of that, Asuka is a fantastic talent and she has a mystique to her that's very captivating. She has a character unlike many women before her, if any, and so this streak of hers is definitely something that has set her apart from most.

    She will eventually lose in NXT. She kinda has to. It would be a waste to just have her vacate the title if she moves up to the main roster. Let her lose it to someone that deserves that spot as the main woman in NXT. It'll do wonders. But that in itself is a problem. Who? I really thought it would be Ember Moon, but maybe not. We shall see. For now, the streak lives! At least one still does.
     
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  8. ilapierre

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    Ahh so good on you to realize I was being silly. Half silly anyway. People thesedays take themselves and their opinions far too seriously. And especially when it comes to something politically correct like anything that sounds degrading of women. I love women. But they are a side show when it comes to the big league main event stuff. I was not kidding about that.

    Asuka's record is a big deal to the very few people who care. Like it or not (I'm just being objective here), but if Asuka was a man instead then the record would be a far bigger deal. That's not my fault. That's the way it is.
     
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    You and I have never had a run in before bud. Nobody has to take me seriously either because I was kidding. However, women's wrestling is like midget wrestling. It's going to be taken even less seriously than I'm being taken here.
     
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    Oh no I'm on your ignore list..Boo hoo..

    Objective fact: Regardless if Goldberg's number was inflated, 4-4.5 million ravenous fans watched Goldberg week in and week out beat far more than Hugh Morrus and Scotty Riggs. WCW was top dog and had all time legends Hulk Hogan, Sting, Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Lex Luger, Big Show, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Curt Henning, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio Jr, Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Jeff Jarrett, DDP oh I could go on and on and on. Most of these guys fought Goldberg at some point during this period. Who does NXT have that compares to anybody on this list?? The NXT rating is what? .75? 500,000 people watch this show regularly? So, c'mon, you know as well as I do that it WON'T be remembered by a lot of people. Just stating facts, you don't need to ignore me because I can look at things the way they ARE and you can't.
     
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    Aha. Any evidence? Then how come women surpass men in various matters? If we assume like you that women are inferior, how does "inferior" beat "superior"?

    Aha. Even when it regularly entertains more than the main roster brands? Even when a TakeOver entertains more than an adjacent main roster big PPV?

    Totally disagree.

    So?

    Yeah, all 173 wins were against legends, right? :shrug:

    Barely anyone? Rating under 1? A record is a record. It isn't like Asuka never defended her title. It's a legitimate record unlike Goldberg's.

    It's not about women wrestling. It's about good wrestling regardless of the gender. You can care for factors like gender. But I care more about wrestling.
     
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    Even tho he says its silly comments and for them not to be taken seriously,they are made in jest or joking manner. Your comments no matter how you say it shouldn't even be said. its sexist,and stuck in the past and quite honestly For those women wrestlers being a said show they probly make more than you....But back to the main subject Asuka will go down as one of the best WWE Superstars of all time just off of numbers...Although i hate that shes still in NXT she will be fast tracked like Finn and Shinsuke and be off gate number 1 contender when she goes to main, but the rumor of the Womens only Show after the summer Woman's tournament does Scream to have Asuka the Ace of that show. I do see Asuka losing to Ember in a rematch tho it just seems like it will happen...or the women tourney winner will face Asuka beat her..
     
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    Any evidence? Well there's this thing called world history. Contrary to politically correct belief, the world hasn't been around for 30 years.. it's been around for millions. It's only been in the past 100 years that women have had basic human rights. If you knew anything about world history before the early 1900s, then you wouldn't have to ask me if I had 'evidence'.

    What 'matters' do women surpass men in? Looking good with no clothes on? Wearing excess makeup? Baking bread? Buying material objects? Texting on their phones?? I'm serious. Women don't compete in men leagues because they 'can't'. The only reason they compete with men in real world jobs is because the 'powers that be' don't want the world working optimally. They want it working half-assed with us all in debt. Best way to do that is to get the women out of the house and into the workplace while the government-run institutions and moronic television/social media educates our children.

    As for NXT entertaining more than the main roster and the men, listen, that's no big deal. WWE hasn't entertained me and most of the old audience for more than 5 minutes at a time in the past 10-15 years. I get more enjoyment watching the Young and the Restless with my wife or The Wiggles with my children. WWE and NXT are both watchable if you have a high threshold for horrible tv.

    Goldberg had 173 wins in a SUPERIOR company called WCW. A far superior product compared to today's shite. WWE was also INFERIOR to WCW during the first half of Goldberg's streak. And even when WWE caught up, WCW was still the big time. Say what you will about my questionable statements about women, but NO ONE can argue the fact that NXT is full of minor league no names. WCW was chalk FULL of superstars. You can't shrug that off. A woman breaking the 173 win record in NXT is about as important as a girl in little league baseball somewhere beating professional Joe Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak. No one watches little league and far less people watch little league girls compared to boys.

    It's like you guys don't get that wrestling isn't 'real'. These streaks aren't real. they are scripted. What isn't scripted is fan response (Please someone explain this to crazy Vince). Hence the 4s and 5s in TV ratings when men dominated wrestling vs the 0s and 1s now with all the PG equality political correctness bullshite. Goldberg captivated audiences organically. Unlike the forced crap today. Fans loved Goldberg's entrance music. They loved his intensity. They loved the spear and jackhammer. It was a 2 to 3 minute segment we all got used to watching each week and the streak just grew out of that. WCW wasn't pretending to be classic mat wrestling with matches that went on for 10 to 15 minutes. It was just Goldberg flat out dominating and we could have cared less who he was beating. But he beat his fair share of legends. Asuka just beat up a bunch of girls learning the craft who would be lucky to make it to the main roster as part time jobbers.

    You care more about wrestling. Good for you. I care about being entertained. Women were entertaining when they're used the way they were used during, and prior to, the Attitude Era. But women's wrestling today is truly total crap, sorry, I derive no utility from watching them. There is a reason women are considered by your average wrestling fan (not just me) as the 'bathroom break' or 'last call for alcohol' before the main event. I know you hate everything I'm saying. But it's not just the opinion of someone who is backward in his views. It's just the way it is and I look at things objectively the way they are (rather than how things should be). I'll call it the way it is regardless of what you and others like you believe 'oughtta be'. Women will never be equal to men in the world of wrestling entertainment no matter how hard Vince tries to force this phony women's revolution on his audience.
     
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    So if women have had basic human rights in the past 100 years, then they are inferior? Or men were suffering from superiority complex that didn't allow women basic human rights? It says more about the mentality of the men at that time.

    Studies, sports and what not. But no they're inferior, right? :shrug:

    As if they don't look good with full clothes on as well?

    As if all women just wear excess make-up?

    Yeah, all women bake breads. :rolleyes:

    Men never buy such objects, right?

    Yeah, men don't text as well.

    Then it's an even more bigger issue.

    They can, regardless of your thinking.

    No. Because Women can surpass Men if they have more talent.

    You mean something Men are doing since long?

    Nopes. It's certainly a big deal. According to you, women are inferior. So when "inferior" gender is more efficient than "superior" gender, it's a big deal.

    Then why were you watching in the past 10-15 years? If you're not entertained, why not leave it? And I question how you can say on behalf on most of the old audience.?

    Good for you. However I haven't heard about those programs and this isn't a sign of disrespect towards you.

    Nopes. Just because you find it horrible doesn't make horrible.

    Far superior product? Fingerpoke Of Doom? Nash ending Goldberg's streak? Come on.

    No names?
    Asuka
    Drew McIntyre
    Hideo Itami
    Bobby Roode
    Shinsuke Nakamura (Just left NXT a month ago)
    These are all no names, right? NXT is a development programming consisting of such no names, right?

    Yeah, full of superstars and legends right?

    Maybe for you. Don't know about Joe either.

    No one? Then why in the blue sky we're talking about it if no one watches?

    A couple of years ago, Yes. But not now.
    I know.

    Old is gold, right?

    Goldberg is one of my favorite wrestlers. Regardless of that, Asuka's undefeated streak is indeed impressive. It's not like Asuka was forced upon us. Asuka's support was organic as well. Infact, both Asuka and Goldberg are known for beating the heck out of their opponents.

    Mickie James
    Bayley
    Nia Jax
    Ember Moon
    Emma
    But they are bunch of girls learning the craft? Just like women are inferior to men, right?

    Nah. Good wrestling VS Bad wrestling. You say as if women wrestling is never good. It's a lot better than in the past where women were more as objects. But you liked that, so that tells wht choices you have.

    I care about wrestling that entertains.

    Yeah, when they were used as the objects and never given much time to do what's supposed to be done aka wrestling.

    Yeah, because you don’t want to see women wrestle. You want to see them as side-shows. That's because women wrestling destroys your notion of "Men are superior to women".

    And that's why the audience actually reacts more to women now, right? Remember "We Want Sasha" chants? But no, women are inferior dammit.

    Nah.

    I don't know what sort of an opinion it is. But "Women are inferior" is a wrong opinion.

    Well, women wrestling has actually revolutionized. At Wrestlemania 32, women stole the show. But no, they are inferior and are better used as objects.
     
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    Have I mentioned that I'm a huge Joshi mark? Only a million times? That doesn't sound like much; hey everyone, I'm a huge Joshi mark.

    We all have our own dispositions in regard to what makes a performer more endearing. To me; Asuka dominating the field establishes her as a (slightly heelish) winner just doing what winners do. As the WWE flaunts Charlotte/Naomi/Carmella on Smackdown and Bayley/Sasha/Alexa on RAW, they need to setup a surprise threat like Asuka to make the program on par with the men's storyline-wise.

    In my opinion; the WWE is using NXT for what it was designed for, that is to build talent and not fluster themselves trying to make everybody look as good as each other. I hope they set their sights on Ember next, but for now Asuka is their focus.

    I think that Asuka's win streak is most certainly comparable to Goldberg's. She's a woman, and some of us are predisposed to assume that women are weak. You can quickly forget the notion of all women being weak by watching a Joshi match featuring Asuka. Oh look, I happen to have one:

    [youtube]v0aC-dRO0Ek[/youtube]

    Japanese female wrestlers are on a level of tough that very few men have been able to achieve. People talk about how stiff Goldberg can be, well Joshi wrestlers literally beat the shit out of each other. I like that Asuka is bringing her (slightly watered down) style to the WWE, and I look forward to seeing her double her current win streak.
     
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    Yeah the sexist remarks are a bit much. This isn't The Bar.

    It's nice to see a legitimate streak surpass one filled with lies. I would like to see Asuka stay undefeated on NXT and just relinquish the belt when she gets called up. She'd be a force in the Women's Division with something special going on for her. People were upset Charlotte's ppv streak didn't break at Wrestlemania. Well, here's something to remedy that.
     
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    The only woman I can see conceivably beating her from the main roster is Nia Jax, given her size.

    It might be a way to make Nia into a monster heel Diva, and look unstoppable.
     
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    It doesn't say anything about the mentality of men at the time. This world has been in existence for longer than the 20th century. Obviously there's a reason men have been in charge of everything since eternity. And obviously there's a reason women never challenged men this whole, entire time. The only reason women are even getting an opportunity now is because our world is run by Zionist Jewish extremists who want our great civilization to crash and burn. Dividing and conquering white, black and Arab men and women is their ultimate goal.

    Studies, sports? Women are dominant in their own sports. They are not usually dominant in comparison to a man. Just like the physically challenged can be dominant among their own and even sometimes against the non physically challenged.

    Women are NOT more efficient than men. That is just your subjective opinion.

    Who said anything about me regularly watching WWE? As a man, I'm very efficient in not wasting time on watching crap tv. Like I said, I am never entertained for more than 5 minutes at a time when I watch. I only watch it when I read online that something happened that I should be interested in.

    WCW was a far superior product. The FPOD and Nash beating Goldberg's streak were 2 things that happened within 11 days of each other. WCW was far more than a 2 week period..just as the Earth has been revolving with men at the helm for millennia.

    Asuka is a woman who fights women. You can't throw Bobby Roode into the conversation of no names in the NXT women's division.

    No. Women's wrestling was actually half decent in the 90s and early 00s. I was a big fan of Lita, Sherri, Chyna even Moolah. Wendy Richter, Alundra Blayze, Bull Nakano were cool. The only one I find any bit entertaining now is Bayley. The rest freakin SUCK. Women were fantastic as managers, not 'objects'. Was Bobby Heenan or Paul Heyman or Slick mere objects? No they were fantastic managers. Women were great valets. Elizabeth, Sunni, Woman, Sherri etc. The problem is nobody wanted to watch them wrestle. Audiences came to watch manly men - the heavyweights..not women or girly boys like Dolph Ziggler or The Miz. Our world has become way too feminine and millions of fans have tuned out. That's not me pissing on the product because I don't like it. The old audience of 4 or 5 million people don't watch the product regularly anymore because the product is out of touch with the reality of what its audience wants. The old audience (and half of the new) DOES NOT want Roman Reigns main eventing. The old audience DOES NOT want Triple H or Randy Orton winning 14 titles each, let alone 3. The old audience wants wrestling to make sense again. I count myself as part of the 'lost' old audience. I do not watch regularly. But I will make my opinion count on threads like these that are full of politically correct crybabies defending a piss poor product..

    If women want to wrestle, then WWE should create a women's wrestling channel and keep that separate so that it doesn't cut into the male-dominated product. The women don't 'steal' the show. They simply steal airtime. That's why they put about 15 women in one match at Wrestlemania. The show is 7 hours and 20 women got a combined 2 matches and 40 minutes of air time.

    Men are dominant compared to women. That''s just a fact. Just look at the chain of command in WWE and in the real world. Who do you think created the Women's Revolution? Who do you think runs NXT? Who do you think runs WWE? Who do you think runs the network you watch wrestling on? Who do you think runs all the networks you watch on TV? Who do you think runs wrestlezone? Who do you think runs the Net?? Hint: It's not women.

    Wrestlemania 32 was probably one of the worst Wrestlemanias of all time. Go look at Wrestlemania reviews online. It really was poor. The main event was horrible. The 6 second Rock match was ridiculous. The woman's match easily stole the poor show. In fact, it was almost as if the men let the women run that show..
     
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    I don't agree with everything you say.

    Firstly, I have no problems with equality, as long as it is true equality (i.e. what is good for the goose.....). For example, I have no problem with women winning the right to vote in the early 20th century, as men vote, and it doesn't take away from men.

    I have experienced many women in charge of things in my life, and they have been darn good at it. For example, I consider my mother one of the most influential and strongest people (character-wise) in my life.

    I have no problem with women getting opportunies, and succeeding through hard work and merit, not given special advantages or quotas.

    With the women's revolution, I don't have a problem with it. Some of the Divas matches these days are really good. Better than the belittling pillow fights and Bra-&-Panites matches. I admire someone like Trish, who worked hard to go from a manager to the best female wrestler of her era. I liked watching Lita do a Litacarana to Christian off a ladder. I like to follow the fortunes of Emma, who is from my home state of Melbourne, Australia, and hoping that it leads to more Australian men and women joining WWE and maybe even an Australian WWE men's or Women's champion (this is why I would like to see Emma win the WWE Women's Title).

    I think that women have their place in the industry. Moolah, Wendi Ritcher, Alundra Blayze, Trish, Lita and others have all carried the torch for years, and people like Charlotte and Sasha Banks can continue to carry it.

    As for WM32, it wasn't just the quality of the Divas match, but it was one of the few matches that still meant something the next week (unlike Shane being kept off TV, which he wasn't, or Zack Ryder winning, losing and then being out of the IC Title picture in the space of a couple of weeks).
     
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    Okay I feel like I have to weigh in on this being an "inferior" woman and all. First of all you are right in regards to women's rights, we've not had them for very long. Until the last century, 1920 to be exact, women weren't even allowed to vote. We had no say in who ran the country and who would affect our lives. As a matter of fact in some countries in the Middle East, women are still not allowed to vote. They are also not allowed to talk to men, show their faces outside the first door of their house, work, and they must be totally subservient to their husbands. Failure to do so runs a risk of beatings or death.

    Women have come a long way but we still have a long way to go.

    You know I have news for you, this is not a competition between men and women. We don't really care what we can surpass you at, it's just not on our radar most of the time. It's a guy thing. Maybe you are scared that a woman just might be better than you and that's the reason for the irrationality of an non existent contest. Most of us, and I speak for myself and my friends are happy in our skin.

    As for Asuka, very happy that she is doing so well, and would love to see her on the main roster as soon as possible. Hoping it's around Summerslam she gets called up.
     
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    Not to be too nit picky, but modern democracy as a whole isn't that old. All men being able to vote on a leader is also a pretty recent addition to many countries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Waves_of_democracy.png
     
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    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    As usual, people don't seem to know what they're talking about. A few points:

    1. Goldberg's streak was inflated, but it was more along the lines of 10-20 wins inflated, not dozens as seems to be implied.

    1a. I never thought anything of it as WCW often said that Goldberg won at house shows. Fans seemed to complain because the numbers would jump 3-4 wins from week to week without considering that there were other matches besides what you saw on Nitro/Thunder.

    1b. It's wrestling so why are people annoyed that WCW might have been lying?

    2. Yeah, Asuka has won 174 matches. 41 of those were tag matches where she might not have gotten the fall but we'll count them anyway. For comparison's sake, Goldberg had two tags before his loss.

    3. Neither of these are close to a record as Tatanka won over 300 matches before his first loss in the company.

    4. No one cares about Tatanka.

    Here's the thing: Asuka and Goldberg both destroyed a bunch of jobbers (Goldberg beat Jerry Flynn how many times?) but for the most part, neither were at the top of their promotion (Goldberg had one successful main event title defense as champion) during their streak. Saying Asuka has surpassed Goldberg's streak or that Goldberg's streak doesn't count because of the inflated numbers doesn't work but that's never stopped anyone.
     
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  23. ShinChan

    ShinChan Gone. For. Good.

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    Since you were smart enough to ignore many things, I'll try to be smart like you.

    What I wanted to convey with that WCW comment was that no company/promotion has perfect product. Just like no man is perfect. Well except Tye Dillinger. :p The thing is that every era or promotion has its weaknesses or problems. Currently, it isn't any different either. There are problems but there are very good things as well.

    Also, I amn't a crybaby defending the product. I thought that we could discuss without petty insults being thrown. No? Well, that's your decision to insult or not. I won't.

    Women stole the show at Wrestlemania because the show wasn't good? Right but regardless of overall quality of the PPV, the match was very good. It would've been good even if the whole PPV was a classic.

    Also, you say that you rarely watch now but how do you know that the product is poor? Without actually watching, you're judging it? It's like I said that WCW was horrible without watching it. You can't judge accurately without seeing it yourself.

    Also, I can understand why you feel that old is gold. That earlier times were better in terms of wrestling. But that doesn't make the current product poor by any measure.
     
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  24. ilapierre

    ilapierre Getting Noticed By Management

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    Just because you don't like what I say, doesn't mean I am wrong or scared. I'm just being honest about something many fear to be honest about in today's unrealistic, 'anybody and everybody can be a hero' culture.

    Women didn't have rights in this world and weren't treated equally in a lot of ways until things started getting better for them in the past 100 years. In fact, believe it or not, almost exactly 100 years ago my great great grandfather was responsible in giving Canadian women the first ever opportunity to vote. Women are still not treated equal in our society in many ways but that is not because of the average man like myself..I'm just being honest about women's physical and personality limitations when it comes to wrestling.

    And don't blame Middle Eastern men for denying women basic rights without also putting the blame on the elites who run our own society and who have held women back from the beginning of time. As a three degree university graduate, I've had to do an extremely long thesis paper on the subject of Islam. Islam holds women back in many ways, yes, but only through the ethnocentric eyes of a North American or European with a completely different belief system. Within it's own cultural context, Islam empowers all Muslims, men or women, by demanding adherence to standards of morality and stands in contrast to the pedo, tranny, beastiality direction of Americanism. As someone who has the ability to stand outside of one's own culture, I think Muslims in many ways do a fantastic job encouraging their women and children to be good role models by putting the family unit first and rejecting the Zionist filth of our own society. An ethnocentric, 'inferior' person (man or woman) actually looks at Muslims as evil but then believes in the elites that run our society. Women have no true equality because of these 'elites' and they are also the ones who steal our tax dollars ($600 billion a year) to drop bombs on, and occupy lands of demonized Middle Eastern people..And the victims of such carnage are mostly..yes you guessed it, women and children. As backward as you believe Middle Eastern people are toward their women, the ones with the even more deranged religion are the ones running our society. The same ones leading the faux 'women empowerment' movement and trying their darndest to ignite a gender war between the truly disempowered: Both women AND men.

    As for a 'competition' thing, nah, I'm just stating a fact. Women have their strengths and are most likely better than men at many things. There are many extremely intellectual and considerate women in my family so I know first hand that women are superior in many ways.

    HOWEVER. When it comes to sports and especially wrestling, women do not outshine the men. It would be a strange, strange unrealistic world if they could. Please don't hate me for stating the obvious. Does women's hockey outshine men's hockey? If it did, there would be a female NHL that was more profitable than the real NHL. Where are the female NFLs, MLBs, NBAs? They don't exist and wouldn't be anywhere near as profitable. So it's the elite to blame. Not the average guy writing an honest post on wrestlezone.
     
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  25. ilapierre

    ilapierre Getting Noticed By Management

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    I 'ignored' much of what you said because either a) it was a good point and you were right or b) it was a poor point, but not one of your poorest points.

    I have no clue who Tye Dillinger is. Is he related to Doug Dillinger?

    Yeah it was a great women's match. It was a shitty Wrestlemania. I'm not here to slag women. I'm here being realistic about women's wrestling. I slag the men 20 times as hard as I slag the women.

    I watch the product right around the time of the Royal Rumble and I annually lose interest right after Wrestlemania. There are many Raws and Smackdowns that I will fall asleep watching during this period. I mostly PVR these shows. I watch the product when it's at its peak and that's how I know.

    As for your 'old is gold' comment, I ignored that point last time because you're generalizing. it isn't really true when it comes to what has happened to WWE over the past decade. I do love the past, sure, we all do..but there was a time when I loved present day wrestling without it feeling forcefed. I mean, I could go back and watch old Raws and Smackdowns from 2009 and still be bored out of my tree. Same with WCW. It sucked in 2000. That year in history still sucks now.
     
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