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View Poll Results: Team USA Alternates
Sub out Hogan, Sub in Styles 10 29.41%
Sub out Hogan, Sub in Cena 2 5.88%
Sub out Angle, Sub in Styles 0 0%
Sub out Angle, Sub in Cena 0 0%
Sub out Michaels, Sub in Styles 6 17.65%
Sub out Michaels, Sub in Cena 2 5.88%
Sub out van Dam, Sub in Styles 8 23.53%
Sub out van Dam, Sub in Cena 5 14.71%
Sub out Austin, Sub in Styles 2 5.88%
Sub out Austin, Sub in Cena 2 5.88%
NO SUBS - KEEP TEAM AS IT IS 3 8.82%
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If you're talking about chemistry being so important, I don't see how you think Hogan/Cena will be such a better team though. Sure, they are similar in some respects, but they never really interacted with one anohter. Who is to say that jealousy doesn't creep into one or both of their minds during a match, causing them to lose?

Sure, Hogan and Austing may not be a perfect match, but I don't see how Hogan/Cena would be any better in the chemistry department.
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If you're talking about chemistry being so important, I don't see how you think Hogan/Cena will be such a better team though. Sure, they are similar in some respects, but they never really interacted with one anohter. Who is to say that jealousy doesn't creep into one or both of their minds during a match, causing them to lose?

Sure, Hogan and Austing may not be a perfect match, but I don't see how Hogan/Cena would be any better in the chemistry department.
I'm not saying you won't get tension with Hulk and Cena. Knowing their on screen personalities, I think it's safe to say, though, that these two would probably get along, where as Steve and Hogan would flounder. They have no experience together, but it isn't as though they have any negative confrontation. That's more than you can say in regards to Austin-Hogan. These two just don't like each other one bit.

It's simple, guys; Voting for Hogan/Cena gives us a chance of tension, yes. Voting for Austin/Hogan absolutely guarantees someone is turning on the other
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I'm sorry, but at some point in your ramblings, did you forget it was Hulk freakin Hogan? As long as he's on your team, he hasn't lived out his usefulness at all. Did you see the damage he did in the last round? He fucking won you a gold medal, and was pretty much the reason you beat Canada in the Survivor Series. If I'm smart, I'm keeping Hulk on the fucking team. It locks up your battle royal, that's for sure.
It locks up your battle royal? Really? Are you forgetting that we have two multiple time Royal Rumble winners in Stone Cold Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels? Hogan and Austin don't like each other, and Hogan and HBK don't like each other. Also, both potential teams have ZERO TAG TEAM EXPERIENCE.

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You say this because of they're one stint as a tag team, which was tumultous at best, right?

If I wanted a tag team like that, I'd fucking take Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels instead. Or maybe even Kurt and Hulk. Point being, Steve and Shawn is a terrible choice for your tag team. They constantly bickered, and have never been that buddy buddy with one another. You're surely going to get beat by The Bulldogs, maybe whatever Canadian team is subbed in, and hell, maybe even the Bushwackers. Don't laugh, it's entrely feasible. My point being, a team of Hogan/Michaels, or even Hogan/Angle, will be even better.
1.) This is a popularity contest. Don't worry, they'll get past the Bushwhackers should the opportunity arise. They'll have support throughout this should they be the team to be picked to represent Team USA.

2.) HBK and Austin were one of the original teams of partners who don't like each other but rise above it to be successful. They held the titles for less than two months, sure, but they only lost the titles due to HBK getting hurt. And the team they beat for those titles? Owen Hart and the British Bulldog, who were related. I think that in the common interest of wanting to win gold for Team USA, they'll put their differences aside.

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Which brings me to my decision... Take out Shawn, and bring in Cena. Simply put, a team of Cena and Hogan is a dream team. That, I guarantee you, will get you at least Silver in the Tag Team, and potentially gold. The team of Cena and Hogan is one that would be fantastic, ultimately extremely resilient, and
And again, this is a popularity contest. People here don't like Cena and don't like Hogan. It's a disaster waiting to happen. And again, there's the issue of them having ZERO EXPERIENCE AS A TAG TEAM BESIDES MAYBE ONE EPISODE OF RAW LIKE THREE YEARS AGO.

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Well, no, but you don't really have to, you see. No one ever said Hulk Hogan had to be in a freaking ladder match, at all.
That's how I saw things shaking out, Hogan's the odd man out. And looking at the poll, people agree with me on that.

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Besides, if you really were basing in on aerial ability, the first person you'd actually want out is Steve Austin.
No one ever said Stone Cold Steve Austin had to be in a freaking ladder match, at all.

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Yeah, I said it, not that I don't love Steve, but he's just as useless now as you assume Hogan to be. His knees have been shot since 1995, and I doubt any one here is going to use the Stunning Steve Austin of the Dangerous Alliance.
Well that's okay because he'll most likely be used in the tag team event with Shawn Michaels.

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Battle Royal- I don't know about you, but there's no doubt in my mind that with Kurt Angle, John Cena, and Hulk Hogan, the US has a guaranteed winner in the Battle Royal.
Or you could have Shawn Michaels and Stone Cold Steve Austin in, who have won a combined five Royal Rumbles, plus HBK was one of the final two in 2007.

Sure, Hogan's won two Royal Rumbles, but Team USA can afford to lose him for a guaranteed medal in the Tag Team Event.
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It locks up your battle royal? Really? Are you forgetting that we have two multiple time Royal Rumble winners in Stone Cold Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels? Hogan and Austin don't like each other, and Hogan and HBK don't like each other. Also, both potential teams have ZERO TAG TEAM EXPERIENCE.
I find all of Cena's exploits in the Rumble far more impressive than Shawn Michael's. Cena was also the final two in two other rumbles, much like Shawn was one of the others, as you referenced earlier. By taking out Hogan, you take out a fellow two time winner. Having a team of Hogan, Angle, and Cena is a guaranteed gold from either one of these three. The only possible challengers are going to be Bret, Benoit, and the Rock. And no one is dumb enough to vote either of these three men against Hogan, Angle, and Cena in a battle royal.



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1.) This is a popularity contest. Don't worry, they'll get past the Bushwhackers should the opportunity arise. They'll have support throughout this should they be the team to be picked to represent Team USA.
Yeah, but I envision a large anti-smark audience coming out now, due to how people have complained over "injustices" like HBK beating Kobashi, Edge beating Misawa, etc. I think the smarks are right, but there's going to be a bit of ill will towards the smark darlings in the next round.

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2.) HBK and Austin were one of the original teams of partners who don't like each other but rise above it to be successful. They held the titles for less than two months, sure, but they only lost the titles due to HBK getting hurt. And the team they beat for those titles? Owen Hart and the British Bulldog, who were related. I think that in the common interest of wanting to win gold for Team USA, they'll put their differences aside.
Didn't like is an understatement. Austin and Michaels hated one another. They had an intense fight at the King of the Ring, in the middle of thei title reign. Who the fuck ever does that? Look, the simple fact is that Shawn and Steve have proven that can't work together. Steve doesn't want a partner, and Shawn only wants a partner that's in his clique. Hogan will take a partner, if he can ride them to success. See: Taking Randy Savage, taking Edge, taking Shawn Michaels. Time and time again, it was the other guy that caused the team to destruct. Cena preaches loyalty and respect. He'll have nothing but great respect for the man that paved the way for him.

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And again, this is a popularity contest. People here don't like Cena and don't like Hogan.
The smarks are going to vote against Hogan and Cena regardless. What you want is the indifferent crowd. Those that look at name value. Hogan is the biggest star in wrestling, and as Edge/Misawa proved, sometimes it's better to be the more recent star than the better star. John Cena is the face of the WWE. He's going to get you more than enough votes.

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It's a disaster waiting to happen. And again, there's the issue of them having ZERO EXPERIENCE AS A TAG TEAM BESIDES MAYBE ONE EPISODE OF RAW LIKE THREE YEARS AGO.
Again, it truly is the best option you got. The Mega Powers had no expereince together. They worked out pretty well. Edge and Hogan had no experience. they won the damn tag titles.


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That's how I saw things shaking out, Hogan's the odd man out. And looking at the poll, people agree with me on that.
It's early. Plus, take a good look at the people voting. TM is voting to take Hogan out, because he realizes that it's in Team Canada's best interest. All the rest are really people who haven't been on long, who don't know diddley squat about wrestling. Except Big Sexy. He's cool.

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No one ever said Stone Cold Steve Austin had to be in a freaking ladder match, at all.
Yeah, but having him on the team is no in the best interest of Team USa, for all the reasons I've said


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Well that's okay because he'll most likely be used in the tag team event with Shawn Michaels.
And again, that's a terrible mistake

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Or you could have Shawn Michaels and Stone Cold Steve Austin in, who have won a combined five Royal Rumbles, plus HBK was one of the final two in 2007
It's pretty much the same when compared to the team of Hogan, Angle, Cena, RVD, and Styles. You're really missing out on one more Rumble win, honestly. Or one and a half. I count the 95 Rumble as half a Rumble.

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Sure, Hogan's won two Royal Rumbles, but Team USA can afford to lose him for a guaranteed medal in the Tag Team Event.
Trust me... If you have Austin/Michaels, youwon't even medal in the Tag Team Tourney. I promise you.
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No.

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Look, typically I'd agree with you Big Sexy, because this would be an awesome team, theoretically. But God knows Steve is a bit bitter over how Hulk treated him in WCW when Hulk came in. Steve was set to go nito the Main Event in WCW, and by September, he went from having classic matches with Ricky Steamboat, to getting squashed in fucking twenty five seconds by Hacksaw Jim Duggan. And he personally felt two men were responsible for that (Perhaps three); Hulk Hogan, and Eric Bischoff. He partially blamed Ric Flair and Dusty, but The Hulkster and Eric got the most heat from Austin after he was fired. Shit, it was the entire basis of his ECW character.

Thus, you have the issue of Steve's vengeful personality. You don't think he'll sacrifice a fucking medal to get back at Hulk? In this round, they'll have to face legitimate teams. The British Bulldogs are a lock to be in this round, so does Edge and Christian. Shit, you even have to fucking consider the Koloffs, and the Bushwackers. You're going to need a team with cohesion. And Steve and Hulk are about as combustible as they come. You might as well put Steve on a team with Mr. McMahon.

Look, the choice is yours. If Team America wants the Gold in the Tag Team, they'll need a cohesive unit. That would definitely be Hogan and Cena.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was a kayfabe tournament where everybody would be considered in their primes. Backstage politics and all the bullshit that happens behind the scenes in this industry would basically be irrelevant.

Even if it was taken into consideration, before going to TNA Hogan had said in interviews that if a match between him and Austin were to happen that he would have no problem putting him over. So the tension between the two may not be as prevalent any more. Not only that but Hogan and Austin would be representing their country here. Even with his personality I doubt Austin would "turn his back on his country" so to speak, just so he could prove a point to Hogan. Austin and Hogan in my mind would be the favorites to win the gold and once they did win it, THEN Austin may give Hogan a stunner and walk away with his and Hogan's gold medals around his neck.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was a kayfabe tournament where everybody would be considered in their primes. Backstage politics and all the bullshit that happens behind the scenes in this industry would basically be irrelevant.
See, here's the thing; that'd be right if it wasn't written into Austin's character. However:

A. It was written in his ECW character. He regularly performed shoots on Hulk Hogan, on a consistent basis. His ECW character and WWE character weren't that different.

B. You still have the DTA issue. Don't trust anyone does not mean, "Don't trust anyone, but if Hulk Hogan wants to tag with me, I guess I'm kind of cool with it." Part of Austin's appeal was he was a loose cannon, who would attack anyone when the time was right. And against someone he already has baggage with? Totally smell a turn coming.

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Even if it was taken into consideration, before going to TNA Hogan had said in interviews that if a match between him and Austin were to happen that he would have no problem putting him over. So the tension between the two may not be as prevalent any more.
Totally Hogan being Hogan. The guy needed a pay day, and was going to play politics to get the pay day. Besides, this was after Austin said there wasno way the match would happen. Let that speak for itself, on how the relationship is between Hogan and Austin

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Not only that but Hogan and Austin would be representing their country here. Even with his personality I doubt Austin would "turn his back on his country" so to speak, just so he could prove a point to Hogan. Austin and Hogan in my mind would be the favorites to win the gold and once they did win it, THEN Austin may give Hogan a stunner and walk away with his and Hogan's gold medals around his neck.

Yeah, but there's still the chance he would. Where as with Cena and Hogan, you have two patriots who will lay it all on the line to bring home the gold. That's stronger than any Hogan/Austin bond.
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I'm gonna be perfectly honest here. Hulk Hogan, (this will sound crazy stupid) is the weakest link headed forward. Whether anyone wishes to believe that or not, its true.

Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Rob Van Dam and hell, even Steve Austin can all give individual strengthes to the next round of matches. Van Dam has advantages in matches involving heights and agility. Michaels and Austin have been former (albeit uneasy) Tag Team champions, and Angle is an all around athlete.

Hulk Hogan can not climb, and would not be stable enough no matter how much crack you smoke, to be balanced on Ultimate X/Elevation X.

Hogan, believe it or not, is even weaker in Tag Team matches. Look at history. He's only won Tag Team gold with a guy (Edge, ironically enough) who was able to carry the team by way of knowing how TEAMS work. While I'm sure that'll gain "You're fucked in the head" comments, try arguing it. Show me where Hogan has done anything useful in a Tag Team, thats lead to something long-term, or ended in gold being won.

So with that being said. Shy of just voting Hogan for name-sake, he's the weakest link on the Team right now.
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Hogan, believe it or not, is even weaker in Tag Team matches. Look at history. He's only won Tag Team gold with a guy (Edge, ironically enough) who was able to carry the team by way of knowing how TEAMS work. While I'm sure that'll gain "You're fucked in the head" comments, try arguing it. Show me where Hogan has done anything useful in a Tag Team, thats lead to something long-term, or ended in gold being won.
So you're going to leave the tag team match up to Stone Cold and Shawn Michaels? A team that had all of two matches together. They beat Owen and Bulldog for the titles (while fighting amongst themselves the whole time) and they lost to the Legion of Doom. That's it.

Hogan has been in plenty of tag teams and don't give me this long term bullshit because obviously as a top main eventer for his whole career he wasn't going to be in a long term tag team. Hogan teamed with Savage as the Mega Powers for a few matches. He also teamed with Brutus Beefcake as the Megamaniacs for a few matches. Hogan has teamed with a bunch of random guys for a brief period and has won matches with them. Hogan has won matches with partners like Savage, Beefcake, JYD, Paul Orndorff, Andre the Giant, Bruno Sammartino, the Ultimate Warrior, and Edge.
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So you're going to leave the tag team match up to Stone Cold and Shawn Michaels? A team that had all of two matches together. They beat Owen and Bulldog for the titles (while fighting amongst themselves the whole time) and they lost to the Legion of Doom. That's it.
I won't lie in saying I'm not pulling for Team USA to win in an overall format. But in being honest, Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels - even when neither were on the same page, won Tag Team gold their first try. Yes, they tagged a whole 2-3 times, but can you show me anyone else - any other pairing, currently on Team USA that has a better chance?

Austin/Hogan? Only if you plan on trying to hope they can get by off name-sake alone. Anyone who thinks Austin and Hogan as a team would be unstoppable is only blindly believing this because they've had such great success as Single's Wrestlers. Anyone with half the ability to debate could rip apart why they would fail massively as a Tag team.

RVD/HBK? Both are too experienced in other areas to risk putting them as a team. If you can afford it, HBK and RVD need to be in the high risk/high reward match-ups.

Angle/Austin - RVD/Austin? Yep, cause the Alliance memberships sure did wonders for each pairing.

Hogan/HBK? I would love to see it. Because it would fail the hardest.

So, yes.. HBK/Austin seems like your most logical pairing because they have experience (as little as it may be) as an actual team. And thats what you'll need, when going up against other possible legit teams.

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Hogan has been in plenty of tag teams and don't give me this long term bullshit because obviously as a top main eventer for his whole career he wasn't going to be in a long term tag team. Hogan teamed with Savage as the Mega Powers for a few matches. He also teamed with Brutus Beefcake as the Megamaniacs for a few matches. Hogan has teamed with a bunch of random guys for a brief period and has won matches with them. Hogan has won matches with partners like Savage, Beefcake, JYD, Paul Orndorff, Andre the Giant, Bruno Sammartino, the Ultimate Warrior, and Edge.
I think its purely ironic that your initials are the same as that of what I see this paragraph as being. B.S.

Hulk Hogan is a huge name, a great Single's talent.. and sure, he's even won Tag events with random guys. But of the amount of times he's lost, the most have come in Tag team contests.. to guys he likely never should have lost to.

Hogan, in tag matches, has lost to the likes of; I.R.S, Jericho, Christian, and several other lesser class names. All of which are names he should've never lost to. Why? Because as a Single's star he is flat-out as close to perfect as you can get.. but as a Tag team wrestler, he falls short of the experience and where-with-all to know how to succeed.

He might be able to win once, but in a tournament filled with other Countries looking to put together actual teams that may have been, before.. Hogan is a horrible choice to put in the Tag team division moving forward.
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I won't lie in saying I'm not pulling for Team USA to win in an overall format. But in being honest, Steve Austin and Shawn Michaels - even when neither were on the same page, won Tag Team gold their first try. Yes, they tagged a whole 2-3 times, but can you show me anyone else - any other pairing, currently on Team USA that has a better chance
You are overrating this whole experience thing. The experience Austin and HBK have is that of a team that fought constantly and only won the tag title because of how great they were individually and not as a team. Austin and Hogan are much better individually then Austin and HBK.

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I think its purely ironic that your initials are the same as that of what I see this paragraph as being. B.S.
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Hulk Hogan is a huge name, a great Single's talent.. and sure, he's even won Tag events with random guys. But of the amount of times he's lost, the most have come in Tag team contests.. to guys he likely never should have lost to.
He actually has a great record in tag matches.

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Hogan, in tag matches, has lost to the likes of; I.R.S, Jericho, Christian, and several other lesser class names. All of which are names he should've never lost to. Why? Because as a Single's star he is flat-out as close to perfect as you can get.. but as a Tag team wrestler, he falls short of the experience and where-with-all to know how to succeed.
He lost to IRS and Dibiase by DQ when a ref who wasn't even part of the match made the call. The losses to Jericho and Christian came well past his prime. Hogan was very successful in tag matches with many different partners.
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The only other countries that have teams with a lot of experience would be Canada with Edge and Christian and New Zealand with the fucking Buschwackers. Hogan and Austin wouldn't have much trouble at all with their competition.
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