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Old 02-18-2018, 01:38 PM
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A major difficulty is that the TV landscape for their demographic is SO PC now that there is no scope for edginess in the way there once was.

Think back a few years to A.W. and the live mic incident, where a gag that would go over most viewers head saw the talent fired immediately. There's no way A.W was given that gimmick and told "be careful what you say" but the first time a contentious thing was actually said, they canned it and him publicly.

Likewise, with the Nexus/Daniel Bryan incident... he didn't actually do too much wrong, they were told to tear the place up... but he went "just" too far and again, massive knee jerk reaction on WWE's part.

Titus does something a little "off" during Bryan's retirement and book 90 day's reduced to 60 day suspension...

Even further back you had Finlay fired as an agent because he came up with a GREAT heat drawing angle for Miz that upset some Marines...

Creativity is completely subjective in the WWE, you can come up with something Vince loves and still, if the sponsors, network or some commentator in the media picks up on it and says "nah...not having this..." then you're fucked.

So you end up with the ultimately futile overscripting... it kills the ability for talent to get over but stays "safe", fans turn away from the product cos they don't want safe...but Vince wants to sell to children and ultimately Disney... so it remains.
You got two staff members removed, one who's been here for 8 years for exactly the same sort of thing.

To stay on topic though, I feel like WWE does need more characters especially for those at jobber/midcard level. Look at how well people love Heath Slater or Rusev for having a character. Heck look at Hurricane's Hurri-pop at the Rumble. Or bWo's One Night Stand 05 pop. Al Snow with head another good example. Not the best workers in the world but they have characters that made them stand out.
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Old 02-18-2018, 01:43 PM
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Nah, the culture has nothing to do with it.

Sure, today's world has people running and telling the principal on somebody that used words they didn't like, but let's not pretend characters "back then" were somehow better than they are now because fart jokes and steel chairs. WWE has more compelling characters than it ever had before. Nobody is truly vanilla. Believe me, I've been reviewing indy wrestling lately and I can say in all certainty that nobody in WWE is bland. Not really.

The issue is execution, which is pretty much what everybody is already saying in this thread. If there's no story, then there's no reason to tune in. People were amped when Woken Matt became a thing, but if you're just gonna have him do a laugh-off with Bray and share wins on TV, then there's nothing interesting there. And in the day and age where WWE is just going to feed us the important bits on their Youtube channel anyways, there's become less reason to watch it on TV. If anything is to be blamed for the drag in wrestling lately, it's this cheap execution.

Also have to take into account that the Trash TV approach worked not because it was all that compelling with storytelling, but it was because we were all young and dumb and got a cheap thrill in watching something that we either hid from our parents or took pleasure in watching with them because it was so adult.

Characters are fine. Story is a little to be left desired. Doesn't matter what society is going through, there are ways to keep viewers interested.
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A major difficulty is that the TV landscape for their demographic is SO PC now that there is no scope for edginess in the way there once was.
Probably because "edginess" is overrated and passe. It's been 20 years. Fans don't care about "edginess". They care about good wrestling. It's why independents have grown in that period.

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Think back a few years to A.W. and the live mic incident, where a gag that would go over most viewers head saw the talent fired immediately. There's no way A.W was given that gimmick and told "be careful what you say" but the first time a contentious thing was actually said, they canned it and him publicly.
That's because AW made an implied rape joke and that wouldn't fly anywhere because it was IMPLIED RAPE.

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Likewise, with the Nexus/Daniel Bryan incident... he didn't actually do too much wrong, they were told to tear the place up... but he went "just" too far and again, massive knee jerk reaction on WWE's part.
Is Justin Roberts part of "the place" they were told to tear up? Yeah, it was a knee jerk reaction. No one's gonna deny that. But again, read your instructions. Was choking Justin Roberts one? No.

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Titus does something a little "off" during Bryan's retirement and book 90 day's reduced to 60 day suspension...
He acted unprofessional in a work environment. Live on television, no less. Shoving the boss who was not pleased. That wasn't some PC nonsense. That was an idiot pissing off his boss.

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Even further back you had Finlay fired as an agent because he came up with a GREAT heat drawing angle for Miz that upset some Marines...
I think you can draw heat without being disrespectful to soldiers. The Sgt. Slaughter as an Iraqui Sympathizer was pretty Goddamn stupid in it's time. Jericho was booted off Brazil for kicking the flag, JBL for doing the goose-step in Germany (seriously, how stupid do you have to be to do something like that?) among other incidents. We've evolved to the point that we can see the clear line between drawing heat and just being controversial for the sake of attention.

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Creativity is completely subjective in the WWE, you can come up with something Vince loves and still, if the sponsors, network or some commentator in the media picks up on it and says "nah...not having this..." then you're fucked.
I know. It's almost like we've set standards in today's society for what's acceptable and for what's just plain dumb. More often than not, if it gets that type of coverage, WWE's probably doing something stupid. Like using Reid Flair for an angle. Which they did. And rightfully caught fire for their lack of tact.
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So you end up with the ultimately futile overscripting... it kills the ability for talent to get over but stays "safe", fans turn away from the product cos they don't want safe...but Vince wants to sell to children and ultimately Disney... so it remains.
I think you're mixing up "we want it our way because we're always right" with them being pressured by advertisers. Advertisers hardly press the product unless it's doing something that would warrant that. There's plenty of freedom in WWE, the problem is that if WWE doesn't control what's popular in their own product, they reject it. I hardly doubt advertisers are bitching at WWE about "Rusev Day".
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I like what they are doing with the performance center. The better in ring training, the better the product. There are some very talented superstars coming up and of all of these guys are learning from some pretty legendary superstars. Maybe a preformace center for writers? I would go. I would also push for more of the story to be told inside the ring. I'm not saying gettting rid of promo's, just using them more of a 1980's style format where interviews and promos are 20% of programs. If Roman reigns barely said anything and was used less often the fans would crave him instead of boos. John cena is another example of overexposure to audience. WWE have plenty of characters but are left out because Roman or Cena need 20 min promos. Factions are great ways to introduce characters slowly and showcase more of roster.
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Perfect example recently. A few weeks ago on RAW, we had Gallows and Anderson vs The Revival, four generic guys with zero character. If you described one of them you're describing all four. Apart from the hardcore fans, why would anybody care about this match? Sure, the wrestling may have good but most people watching aren't that bothered how good a wrestling match is.
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