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Old 12-16-2017, 12:21 PM
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Again with another one of these topics?

Reigns will never be THE top guy. I get that Cena had those who disagreed with his massive push. The WWE were able to make it work with him due to his skills on the mic, how good he can be in big matches (which is the ONLY strength Reigns has), all those publicity appearances, and how passionate he is about the product. Reigns only has one of those characteristics. He's garbage on the mic and being able to deliver in big matches can only get you so far. The WWE should have been making him into the next Batista instead of the next Cena. He's a top guy, sure, but the face of the federation and THE undisputed top guy? Never going to happen. It's unbelievable how stubborn Vince has been with this. He needs to give up and try someone else like Rollins, Styles, or anyone who the fans actually want in that position.
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Old 12-16-2017, 05:28 PM
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After reading some comments on this subject, i feel like we're forgetting What being WWE is think a main event star is suppose to be. For them, A Superstar is somebody that transcend the world of WWE, He's somebody that even peoples that don't watch WWE know who he his. Guys like Hogan, Savage, Rock, Austin, Cena and Undertaker to a extend are guys that if you talk to somebody that never watch wrestling and mention wrestling, they will automatically link it to one of those guys. They also look for them to be able to get success outside WWE, Guys like Cena, Batista, Rock and Lesnar are prime example of guys that are or we're megastars in WWE.

Is roman Reigns on that level, not yet but to be quite honest, nobody on the roster is on that level at the moment not even AJ Styles. But is he a draw. I would say yes he is, especially with the domagraphic that matters the most for WWE and that's families and kids. Right Now the future for WWE is Reigns and Strowman. Their the guys that will lead them to the next era of the company because they are the biggest draw they have and they have a lot of years left in the careers compare to guys like AJ Styles who pretty much said he wants to retires in a couple of years or guys like Joe and Finn that don't have 15 years left in their career.

So will he become the next Cena, probably not, but he's getting better on the mic every time, he got charisma and he's a solid worker that can have great matches every time he's wrestles. Hell, if you want proof, just watch his match with Elias. He was able to give Elias his best match since he started in WWE. So i think Reigns is their to stay and is a big of a star as you can get in today wrestling climate. Will he be able to cross over to the mainstream, time will tell but with his look and charisma, i would be surprise if he does.
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Old 12-16-2017, 07:34 PM
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Few wrestlers today have the same type of appeal as Steve Austin and The Rock did, let alone have the same appeal to the SAME degree as them.
Are you saying the same thing twice here let alone saying the same thing over again?

Austin and Rock had charisma and personality that fit the time of their ascendance in WWE but they were on top of WWE for a good while before they became more main stream names (Celebrity Death Match, SNL, Mummy).

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is it fair to say that when someone says "Roman Reigns", more than 5 out of 10 random people comprising of say..hardcore fans, casual fans, and non-fans or someone who's just barely aware of WWE or wrestling, would have any better reaction to the thought of "Roman Reigns" as being anything more than "Another wrestler" or "some guy who wrestles in the WWE" ?
I'm not sure what exactly you are asking about. All hardcore and casual WWE fans know who Roman Reigns is. Not many non-WWE fans know who he is. He hasn't done much beyond interviews and some charity. Friends and family of WWE fans may know who Roman Reigns is if they are attentive enough.

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What sort of a response or reaction would the mention of Sheamus, Dean Ambrose, Cesaro and pretty much everyone on the roster(except may be AJ Styles) evoke in those 10 randomly selected people?
Roman Reigns will get a bigger reaction from the people who actually watch WWE. The reaction won't necessarily be positive but it will at least be bigger. In general he will get more of a reaction than AJ Styles as well. Just like Roman, none of the people mentioned above are known much outside of wrestling fans, hardcore or casual.

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Lastly, a really tricky and interesting question- how would you differentiate between Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns in terms of this same measurement of Popularity/Appeal not just in Wrestling globally, but a little beyond, say, in terms of being a Celebrity/Icon.
Not tricky or that interesting. Neither guy has appeal outside of wrestling. Roman has a better chance but right now neither guy has much popularity or appeal outside of wrestling.

Here is my list of current WWE superstars who have popularity outside of wrestling:

1. Cena - clearly
2. Lesnar - MMA
3. Miz - MTV
4. Jericho - reality shows, music, game show
5. Angle - movies and Olympic medal
6. Charlotte - got a nice bump from the Flair doc
7. Orton - vines
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8. Everyone else

I may be forgetting someone but I think my point is made.

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Old 12-16-2017, 07:46 PM
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is it fair to say that when someone says "Roman Reigns", more than 5 out of 10 random people comprising of say..hardcore fans, casual fans, and non-fans or someone who's just barely aware of WWE or wrestling, would have any better reaction to the thought of "Roman Reigns" as being anything more than "Another wrestler" or "some guy who wrestles in the WWE" ?
I'm a little confused here, aren't both of those descriptions the same. Anyway any fan of wrestling hardcore or casual would know who Roman Reigns is. The question then becomes how big of a star do they think he is, and that answer will differ with each person asked.

I highly doubt that anyone outside of the WWE would know Roman Reigns if they fell over him in the street. I've said this before that wrestling is a niche sport, it's something you either watch or you don't. Those that watch know who the players are and that's all that counts really.
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Within WWE yes. Outside of WWE/wrestling fans, no. He is a top merch seller though. Will he reach Cena's level? Doubt it.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:31 AM
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After reading some comments on this subject, i feel like we're forgetting What being WWE is think a main event star is suppose to be. For them, A Superstar is somebody that transcend the world of WWE, He's somebody that even peoples that don't watch WWE know who he his. Guys like Hogan, Savage, Rock, Austin, Cena and Undertaker to a extend are guys that if you talk to somebody that never watch wrestling and mention wrestling, they will automatically link it to one of those guys. They also look for them to be able to get success outside WWE, Guys like Cena, Batista, Rock and Lesnar are prime example of guys that are or we're megastars in WWE.
I think we're talking apples and oranges here. There is a huge difference between being a superstar in the WWE and having the cross over appeal to make it outside of it. The Rock, Bastista and Cena are three guys who don't need wrestling anymore as they have already made a name for themselves without having the WWE Superstar moniker attached to them. Austin and Undertaker will being well known are still only known for their time as wrestler's. Hogan was the first biggest name to make himself known, but still if you ask people if they know who Hulk Hogan is, they will say he was a wrestler. Lesnar will forever be associated with MMA not really with the WWE, even though that's where he got his start.

Actually the best thing that could have happened to Batista was what happened to him at the Rumble. He went back to Hollywood not long afterward and has become a bigger star than he was before. Both he and the Rock while they come back every so often, haven't really looked back. They both had to take extended leaves to get their acting careers up and running. I think Cena would have left a long time ago as well but if he had who would have carried the company, there was really no one so he stayed around.

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Is roman Reigns on that level, not yet but to be quite honest, nobody on the roster is on that level at the moment not even AJ Styles. But is he a draw. I would say yes he is, especially with the domagraphic that matters the most for WWE and that's families and kids. Right Now the future for WWE is Reigns and Strowman. Their the guys that will lead them to the next era of the company because they are the biggest draw they have and they have a lot of years left in the careers compare to guys like AJ Styles who pretty much said he wants to retires in a couple of years or guys like Joe and Finn that don't have 15 years left in their career.
I agree Reigns isn't on that level and he never will be, he can't act. Doing a couple of word promo's every week isn't going to cut it in Hollywood. If Reigns could talk like the Rock, he wouldn't be in the WWE right now. He would be in Hollywood making movies along side his cousin, but he isn't and there is a reason for that. He has the look but that's about it.

Not every wrestler who comes along will make it outside of the WWE, hell some of them can't make it within the WWE. It takes more than putting on a good match for some, you also have to be able to entertain the crowd. Some do and some don't. We can't look at the Rock and go well if he can do it everyone can. It's been proven that they can't.
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Austin and Undertaker will being well known are still only known for their time as wrestler's.
From an interview I've read with Austin, he has said that he has had people come up to him and recognize him as Steve Austin from Broken Skull Challenge or Redneck Island, one or both of his shows, and not as Stone Cold from wrestling.
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Imagine if you took a significant amount of your limited time, money, and resources into promoting someone to be the face of your brand. Then, a few years after they're starting to really repay that investment back........ they stop wrestling and start shooting movies. Or they stop wrestling for you and start wrestling for the guy who will pay them more.
I think that's a very valid point. Great, if the guy gets over on his own, but that really happens even more rarely than we think. A lot of things were done to get Hogan over. Each and every one of those you mentioned, plus a few other big names, disappeared at some very inopportune times. Now, that's not to say they didn't have a legitimate beef or were being treated perfectly, but from the WWE perspective, no one is bigger than WWE.

I highly doubt Vince is interested in having Roman have a great two year run with all kinds of pops, the fans loving him and cheering him every appearance, no more mixed reactions, and then have him vanish to Hollywood for good.
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It all depends on what you mean. If you mean a star in Pro wre, er, Sports Entertainment as a CHARACTER on TV, sure, he is up there. But, as Joe Anoa'i, the man PLAYING Roman Reigns? Nobody would know him from a cord of wood. He is NOT a star. Sadly, we are no longer in the "kayfabe" era, where the character made the man. Now, WWE treats these people as actors. Therefore, to be a "star" is much harder. Look at the shows outside of wrestling: Thunder in Paradise starred Terry "Hulk Hogan" Bollea (That was how he was billed early on), The Rock is billed as Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. Even in the "Blade" films, Trips was billed as Paul "Triple H" Levesque. When people use YOU, and not your CHARACTER, and if they do use your character, it is to tie it to YOU, that is when you are heading towards stardom.

But, right now, Roman Reigns THE CHARACTER is a star in the realm of Sports Entertainment. Joe "Roman Reigns" Anoa'i, the Person PLAYING Roman Reigns, is MIA in that department.
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It's just a different era now. A lot of the wrestling fans, mostly in late 20s to early 40s, are still very nostalgic towards the old days. The PG era has sucked for the crowd to. Maybe in another 10-20 years when we die off or stop caring, the new crowd would find a guy like Roman to be amazing. Just bad timing for him. A guy like Daniel Bryan was over just because he was great working and we could see the company tried to keep him down. Roman is pushed to the moon.
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