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Old 10-28-2017, 11:02 AM
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I'll be honest and plead ignorance here--I really have no idea if Roman Reigns is a draw or not. Personally, he bores me but I concede my opinions are generally far from the norm. My question is, is attendance really that important anymore? The WWF is the largest and most well-known wrestling-er, sports entertainment-company in the world, making money hand over fist, while averaging less than seven thousand people a show. Regional promotions were drawing better than that at weekly house shows thirty-five years ago, I've seen more people show up to see the Fabs take on the Kiwi Sheepherders. It seems merchandise, tv and the network are where the money is at, live attendance is a smaller part of the equation. The WWF is probably a bit like the NFL now--with all the tv and merchandise money, they can turn a profit without selling a ticket.

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Old 10-28-2017, 12:05 PM
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This is one of the areas in which I don't think anyone outside of Vince and the company's number crunchers can know for certain. Sure, you'll have some writers, even some from noted financial publications like Forbes, say that Reigns is or he isn't but when it's all said and done, they don't really know. They hear it from someone who maybe has some connections to someone who would know or their source claims to be someone who knows themselves but the writers don't really know anymore than we do.

Here's how I look at it: I don't see Vince McMahon pushing someone for as long as he's pushed Roman Reigns if that someone isn't making a lot of money for the company. To one degree or another, nearly all of us posters bash Vince for one thing or another. Sometimes the bashing is justified, sometimes it isn't, sometimes it's us talking out of our asses because we think we know what's what about everything just because we read the dirt sheets. On the surface, you wouldn't think John Cena is a draw based on all the boos he's gotten over the last decade+ but you'd be wrong as the boos don't truly represent Cena's level of popularity and, in my opinion, I'd say there's a very strong likelihood the same is true for Reigns. As with Cena, look at how the boos disappear and are replaced with enthusiastic applause, "this is awesome" or "holy shit" chants during his matches.

We sometimes groan over decisions Vince makes on who to push, some of it's justified and some of it's not. Most of us have been ready to lynch him for Jinder Mahal's push, which is understandable, in my opinion, to some degree because, again, in my opinion, the guy's just not remotely interesting, but he's also someone that I think Vince is counting on in the long run. By the time WrestleMania comes around next year, if Jinder being champion is shown to be responsible for a strong uptick in the number of WWE Network subscriptions and viewership for SmackDown Live in India, then Vince will be the one laughing all the way to the bank while all we'll be able to do is grumble about it and resentfully stick to our guns.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:32 PM
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It's not bullshit. There is a house show here in Toronto on December 30th and it is almost sold out. I don't think the announcement has been made yet as too whether it's a RAW or SD show. As soon a tickets went on sale they were very hard to get. I know as a friend of mine was trying, we are not going.

I doubt very highly that if it's a SD show, you know one that Reigns won't be appearing in, people will not show up. They always do. Listen everyone on the roster is a draw, the brand itself is a draw. So many times we've gone to a show and the main event match has had to be changed. Once it was Daniel Bryan, he took time off after his father died and once it was Reigns. No one left the arena, we all stayed and enjoyed the show anyway.

Anything can happen from the time tickets go on sale and the date of the actual event. I'm sure that certain wrestlers sell more tickets than other, but no one wrestler on the roster is a huge draw right now in the way that Hogan or Austin was. They are all part and parcel of the live tour, whether the wrestler in question shows up or not the fans will still be there.
If i remember correctly when they first announce that show for toronto on sportsnet, they said it was a raw show and that Reigns was on the card., so i guess that'S probably why the show sold out quickly especially since it's a holiday show and normally does then to sell out quicker so that might have something to do with it.

So what you're saying is, if let's say, you take all the major players off the card and you put on a card with only the main event crew, you know guys like apollo crews, heath slater, curt hawkins, etc... that fans would go and sell out a live event anyway because all thoses guy are draws. I doubt it, if you take a guy like reigns, ambrose, balor, rollins just to name a few off the card, nobody is coming to the show. Reigns is a draw because he attract a certain group off people, just like rollins does or Balor does. They are the guys on raw that put butts in the seat like the old saying goes but they are still draws and if you takes those guys off the card then pretty much have nothing left.

Right now off the top off my head, i think they got maybe 12 guys on the raw roster that i could probably say that they are draws and Reigns is probably on top mostly because of his merch sell number which seem to be really good since they continue to release new stuff for him and if you know how business works, you don't release new stuff for a product that doesn't sell. So yes i agree with you that You don't have a hogan or austin level draw right now. In fact, with today'S wrestling landscape i don'T see anybody being able to get to that level anymore but when you go ask fans from different demographic who they're who are they coming to see, a lot will say Reigns so in this day and age, that makes him a draw.

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Old 10-28-2017, 05:30 PM
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If i remember correctly when they first announce that show for toronto on sportsnet, they said it was a raw show and that Reigns was on the card., so i guess that'S probably why the show sold out quickly especially since it's a holiday show and normally does then to sell out quicker so that might have something to do with it.

So what you're saying is, if let's say, you take all the major players off the card and you put on a card with only the main event crew, you know guys like apollo crews, heath slater, curt hawkins, etc... that fans would go and sell out a live event anyway because all thoses guy are draws. I doubt it, if you take a guy like reigns, ambrose, balor, rollins just to name a few off the card, nobody is coming to the show. Reigns is a draw because he attract a certain group off people, just like rollins does or Balor does. They are the guys on raw that put butts in the seat like the old saying goes but they are still draws and if you takes those guys off the card then pretty much have nothing left.

Right now off the top off my head, i think they got maybe 12 guys on the raw roster that i could probably say that they are draws and Reigns is probably on top mostly because of his merch sell number which seem to be really good since they continue to release new stuff for him and if you know how business works, you don't release new stuff for a product that doesn't sell. So yes i agree with you that You don't have a hogan or austin level draw right now. In fact, with today'S wrestling landscape i don'T see anybody being able to get to that level anymore but when you go ask fans from different demographic who they're who are they coming to see, a lot will say Reigns so in this day and age, that makes him a draw.
to correct the first part of my comment, i'm not sure if they announce it are not on sportstnet or not but if it was a raw show, reigns is one of the main draw, if it's smackdown then let's face it, Owens is the main draw in canada anyway because he'S pretty much becoming the next Bret Hart as far as a canadian hero is concern. I can believe how over the guy is in canada especially since he'S from quebec and normally, the rest of canada really hates us quebecers which i never truly understood why.
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Judging by the all time low ratings id say no. Its not all his fault, But there is no doubt he is one of the most promoted guys on the show. If he really was a draw wouldnt the ratings be at least a bit higher? Maybe him being a part of the shield is better for him and the overall show, Because now the focus has shifted more towards other guys. But how much you wanna bet vince is begging cena to go back full time. Because thats what they always do when the ratings struggle, put the championship on john cena.
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Actually ratings have been at historic lows this year, but in saying that you can't blame Roman Reigns or anyone else. I blame the overall booking of RAW and also the fact that you have an absentee champion.

To the OP. It's not fair to include the Wrestlemania gate for any wrestler to be honest. Mania sells itself and it doesn't matter who is in the main event, people will buy tickets and show up. The rumour mill is stating that it will be Lesnar/Reigns in the main event next year and the event will sell out anyway. It could be a trained chimpanzee against a ferret, fans would still flock to it.

No one wrestler on the card right now is a draw. It is the roster as a whole that is selling tickets. Here in Toronto it doesn't matter whether it's a RAW or SD Live show, it will always sell. I think it depends more on the city, fans and how often the WWE shows up that drives the ticket sales. We get a house show every three months so they always do well. If we had one a month maybe not so much.
So, if the main event at WM doesn't matter, than WM11 was one of the most popular ever, given that the main event was Bam Bam Bigelow versus Lawrence Taylor?
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Roman Reigns is just one of the best draws they have right now. But he's not a John Cena or Lesnar type of draw. The draws in the WWE right now are:

=> part-timers (Cena, Lesnar, Triple H, Undertaker) > Reigns > AJ Styles > Orton, Jericho > rest of the roster

Don't believe me? Just think of different match combinations and see which pair of wrestlers squaring off excites you the most and makes you want to pay more money to see.

Reigns is a draw, but not a DRAW, if that even makes any sense to you. It all depends to what you define as a draw actually. If you think Styles is a draw then Reigns is too. If your definition of a draw are the likes of Lesnar, Cena, Triple H or Undertaker, then Reigns is not a draw.

WWE wouldn't survive at is current state without the first 4 names I mentioned, solely on Reigns, that's what seperates Reigns from the big 4 names, but Reigns is the guy you want to see most face those big 4 names and that's what seperates Reigns from the rest of the roster.

For example, everybody was talking about Reigns vs Cena or Triple H, long before they took place and they talked about these matches more than they talked about any other wrestler vs these two guys.
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WWE is clearly in transition just like back in the day. HHH is pretty much done, Jericho comes by for short stints, and Cena is working a far reduced schedule. The next generation has to take over (Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Balor, Owens, etc..) The big problem with Reigns is the booking. So easy fix WWE rebuild him as a less talking bad ass like he was originally with THE SHIELD. WWE took a great tweener faction and made all of them weak babyfaces. Book them all strong again and The Crowd will be much more behind Reigns.
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A well-known columnist on another wrestling site did a statistical analysis of the ratings of all the Shield members and found that none of them are draws as champion and all hurt the ratings to different degrees. Ambrose is the most inoffensive to the ratings, Rollins hurt them a bit but Reigns as champion actually saw a whole point shaved off on average (so 3.8 would become a 2.8 over time).
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Though an anecdotal rather than empirical point, I venture to guess that WWE wouldn't invest so much in Roman if they didn't like the return.
I tend to agree on this point right here. At some level (beyond Vince's hard-on for Reigns), it's paying off. Vince is a businessman. Yes, he has made some awful decisions in the past, but all things considered if Reigns as the money/ratings black hole we think he is... I have to think they would have ditched him by now.
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