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Old 10-19-2017, 10:52 PM
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This topic came up on Facebook when I said Cena deserves to win a 17th World Championship and someone asked me to define the word 'deserves' and this is what I came up with

He's done everything he's been told to do and been the face of the entire company since WrestleMania 21 rarely taking time off unless he was injured and even then he would come back sooner than anyone else would have.

Now that he seems to be on the way out he looks like he's putting over the next generation of stars on his way out, which is more than others.


I honestly believe this and got to wondering what y'all here thought.
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Old 10-20-2017, 03:34 AM
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Stop being a mark, the belt means nothing.

There's no such thing as deserve in professional wrestling. Either you get booked to win the titles or you don't. The only argument is whether or not it makes financial sense to put the belt on a rapidly deteriorating part timer to squeeze the last bit of merchandising money you can before you send him to the glue factory/Hollywood
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:19 AM
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He's been taking holidays every few months for years now. Not that I begrudge longstanding employees time off.

And I always enjoy how Cena ALWAYS does the Hogan trick from Mania 6. He loses but then raises their hands in victory to share their spotlight. Thanks for putting over the new generation, John.

But sure, who cares, it's hard to get excited about a 17th title reign. May as well just round it up to 50 at this point.
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Old 10-20-2017, 05:53 AM
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Who cares. Title reigns, or best said IMO, days as champion, also mean days equal to being a draw. Cena has been a draw for 12 years straight, so I'm actually suprised he doesn't have more days as a champion under his belt.

And it's a shame because Cena started putting on stellar matches in 2015, week in week out.

At the current age, I'd take a John Cena world title reign, where he has 5 star matches with Balor, Owens, Cesaro, Zayn, Joe, Styles and many others during its duration, even if it means that he's part-time, over any reign featuring Lesnar, Rollins or Mahal.
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Hmmm so basically if we are too critical about the product were too much of a Smart fan yet if fans feel that Cena shouldn't surpass Flair's title record were too much of a mark?

As for Cena breaking Flair's title reign I think it's fine. Sure I would have preferred Cena having less but longer title reigns but then again some of Flair's title wins were quite dubious such as Kevin Nash handing Flair the title so it's not like all of Flair's 16 World Title Reigns were things to celebrate about.
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:27 AM
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Hmmm so basically if we are too critical about the product were too much of a Smart fan yet if fans feel that Cena shouldn't surpass Flair's title record were too much of a mark?
There are things you can get upset about or annoyed about in pro wrestling, but number of title reigns isn't one of them. Why get upset about world title reigns? Why not get upset that The Miz has 7 Intercontinental title reigns, or that Crash Holly is a 22 time Hardcore Champion? Why is the World Title so different? A world title which is currently held by Jinder Mahal by the way.

What you could get upset about is another run of Cena in the main event, where he belittles his opponent with shoot promos that they can't respond to or they'll get yelled at, before having a 20-25 minute main event slog where he'll hit 6 AA's and then do his shocked face into the camera when they kick out before pulling the old

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So if you were upset about that, then it makes sense. But about whether its 16 or 17, some stat they mention maybe once or twice a year? Who cares. Even Ric Flair when asked on Table For 3 how many world titles he had won, he simply responded:

"Whatever they tell me to say"

If Ric knows it isn't a big deal, why should we care?
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Old 10-20-2017, 08:55 AM
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If John Cena felt he deserved to be a 17 time champ, John Cena would be a 17 time champ. He doesn't care. Right now he cares and has chosen to make movies. He is a cartoon bull, an elephant, in a supporting role with the "how did this scumbag get back in Hollywood" Mel Gibson, and soon to be a feature star in a movie with Judd Apatow's wife about stopping your daughter from having sex.

If he wanted to be a 25 time champion Vince would let him. But he doesn't and for that reason alone, he doesn't deserve it. Not that I think it matters either. It could make for a fun storyline but I don't think I would feel anything for Cena setting the record. I would probably be like John Stewart and just feel bad for Ric Flair. Then again I'm not sure if Ric Flair really cares. Does he run around telling people he has held the title more times than anyone? I know he has started running around talking about the number of women he has slept with. There seems to be some fuzzy math, and a lack of bastards and AIDS tests to prove up the record but that is a record I'm sure Cena would much rather break. Too bad Nikki is so hot and I assume up his ass.

Oh well, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, The Shield reunion has been fine. It makes sense and hopefully will lead to a strong match this Sunday.
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Punk was a main event Champion for over a year. And during that time he couldnt main event a B level PPV. So what you deserve and what you get are two different things.

Anyway, WWE and fans love that record breaking stuff and there is money in that. So I am sure they would do that soon enough. In their mind Jinder beating AJ and then Cena comes back and wins title probably sounds pretty good scenario.
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Please, stop with the "I'm too cool to act like a fan" bullshit; we're all marks whether we want to admit it or not. We spend our time watching, talking about and debating what's essentially a fake combat sport where the athletes are involved in fake feuds that culminate in fake fights. If we don't care, we don't watch but we all do, so we're marks.

As to the subject at hand subject at hand, I'm surprised Cena hasn't had a 17th run already. If rumors are correct, Jinder will drop the title to Cena at WrestleMania next year. Some don't really care whether Cena does it or not, and I do understand that line of thinking because when you reach a certain point in how many title runs someone has, it's hard to keep the same level of interest. In this case, there are some people who recognize all of Flair's title runs even if they aren't officially recognized so, to them, Flair's record is still in tact even if Cena wins number 17.

But yeah, if Cena wants it, he'll get it and it won't bother me at all. Records are made to be broken, torches are meant to be passed, yadda yadda.
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Please, stop with the "I'm too cool to act like a fan" bullshit; we're all marks whether we want to admit it or not. We spend our time watching, talking about and debating what's essentially a fake combat sport where the athletes are involved in fake feuds that culminate in fake fights. If we don't care, we don't watch but we all do, so we're marks.
Calm down Grandmaster Sexxay, there's nothing 'too cool' about it, it's legitimately the truth. The championship is decided on the whims of a 70 year old man, and nowadays it means pretty much nothing. It's fun to discuss and debate wrestling performances or characters or storylines or promos, but debating whether someone should win a title only 16 or 17 times is the height of autistic pedantry.
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