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Old 07-10-2017, 10:29 AM
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I'm wondering if we'll see a double turn, or if we saw the beginnings of it, last night after Roman Reigns rammed the ambulance into the trailer following his loss to Strowman in the Ambulance Match.

I'm not saying that it'll happen, it just struck me that Reigns' actions were about a heelish as it gets when you get right down to it after you saw Strowman stumbling, almost incoherent and bloody after the jaws of life were used to pry open the ambulance. Strowman refusing medical attention and limping off made me view him as a gutsy badass while Reigns' actions seemed ruthless. He took to Twitter last night and simply said something to the effect "I'm the baddest man to ever set foot in WWE" and was unapologetic for his actions. While it's true that Reigns has been more along the lines of a tweener for a while now, nearly "killing" Strowman goes beyond the tactics of a tweener.

So yeah, is it possible that last night saw Reigns truly turn the corner to being a full blown heel? Is Strowman now a sympathetic, gutsy babyface?
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:53 AM
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Na. Cena, Austin, Hogan & Shane have all " attempted murder" and remained faces.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:05 AM
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A response by kb regarding Orton's feud with Wyatt leading into WM33:

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Yep. That was his big face turn: documented arson.
Doesn't get more cut and dry than that. If you actually look at even Hulk Hogan's history (one of the biggest babyfaces of all time), you can find several instances of him being quite the bad guy even though he was the face.

Besides, Reigns hasn't been a clear cut babyface in several months now.
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:15 PM
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Not really sure about a double turn as such until we see the follow up of it with regards to both characters.

Also remember when Braun toppled the over the Ambulance with Roman inside a few months ago.

This feud has been a brilliant blood feud and with last night's events, even more fuel was added for it to continue further even into SummerSlam if required.


To besides, as FMB points out above, "The Guy" has been increasingly heelish since Mania anyways.


Looking forward to RAW and SummerSlam. Well done WWE.
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This may be a move designed to make Braun look more sympathetic in the eyes of the fans, but I'd be very surprised if they used this to put a stop to the never ending Roman experiment.

Guys have already said it, in WWE the top faces can do some truly awful stuff and still get away with it as faces. Seriously you can go on YouTube and wrestling sites like WhatCulture have entire videos dedicated to times that mega faces did truly awful things and got cheered. Cena alone has his own top ten list.

I do think they have moved Reigns away from the face/heel dynamic though. He has cut some very heel promos since Wrestlemania, especially the night after besting Undertaker and the night Braun returned when he basically said no one could beat him and ran down the other top guys on Raw. The issue is that they pushed Roman so hard so fast that most fans turned on him and boo him despite being a face. If you turn him now, it won't have the same impact. I feel like we are going to be stuck with Roman as this kinda tweener and he can just cut a promo based on whatever role his current feud needs him to be.

Roman is a good pro wrestler. He has improved drastically from his Shield days to the point where he is one of the better in ring guys they have. Seriously, every match Roman is in feels like a big deal. He has also gotten better on the mic. He isn't great, but he isnt spouting off cartoon phrases anymore. If you listen to Reigns in real life, he comes off as a bit of a dick. Let him be that guy on the mic, which they have to an extent, and it will probably work.
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Highly unlikely. When you think about other attempted murder attempts like Steve Austin, Shane McMahon, Edge, I guess you can mention Randy Orton if you want; he isn't exactly that far off from them.
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Na. Cena, Austin, Hogan & Shane have all " attempted murder" and remained faces.
Granted but those were retaliation to something the heel did. Crybaby Roman did this after losing clean.
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Randy Orton burned down Bray Wyatt's humble abode to the cheers of the audience and still remained a face. Nothing ever came of that though did it. Good visuals but yea nothing. Didn't DX blow up Vince's limo with Vince inside to cheers. It's an ongoing WWE thing with blowing up and crashing cars shit, usually the heel gets it and the crowd loves it.

Anyway, last night was the supposed heel Strowman getting what was coming to him. Reigns lost the match and was pissed, even though he was the one who went headfirst into the ambulance under his own power, Strowman didn't even touch him.

Strowman has been the one getting cheered through this feud anyway and Reigns has been getting the boo's. But the WWE wants a reaction and they get one, positive or negative. Did Reigns turn heel, I have no idea, I guess we'll see tonight on RAW.
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Braun Strowman threw Reigns off a stage while he was strapped to stretcher and the proceeded to turn over an Ambulance with him in it. Are we really having this conversation? Are you saying no good guy would ever amount to the revenge Reigns did last night for that happening to him? Orton punted Cena's father and Cena held Orton down in the STF while his dad gave him his own punt. Triple H broke into Orton's home, The Rock once busted into a dressing room to hit Benoit in the back of the head with a chair to get him back. Shane McMahon crashed a limousine with Kane in the back and also kicked him in a pit of fire.

Maybe they were trying for something maybe they weren't but logic doesn't really dictate Reigns being the bad guy here after what Strowman did to him for months. Anyone would have gotten that kind of revenge good or bad.
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I think we may have seen the beginning of a double turn. I think a major difference between the "attempted murder" actions of the other guys mentioned and Reigns last night was how the announcers sold the actions. I think with the others, the normally face announcers try to find ways to justify the face's actions by stating what was done to them over the past weeks, months, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I believe I didn't really hear any of that from Cole or Booker T. The conversation was more steering towards "We hope Stroman is okay" or "That's a human being in that ambulance" or "Before we go trying to talk about ramifications..." I think Angle's look at Roman and Roman's dismissal of the look also help plant the idea that last night was a double turn. Could easily be wrong and wouldn't be the first time but, Stroman walking away under his own power is a face like move
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