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Old 06-05-2017, 07:47 AM
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At WWE Great Balls of Fire, brace yourself for a dream match for the ages, as Brock Lesnar goes head-to-head with Samoa Joe for the Universal Championship.

After Brock conquered Goldberg at WrestleMania 33, it was almost incomprehensible that anyone would be able to stand up to The Beast, let alone overtake him for his coveted title. Answering that call with vigor, Raw General Manager Kurt Angle established a historic Extreme Rules Fatal 5-Way No. 1 Contender’s Match at WWE Extreme Rules – a monumental contest that would assure that whoever emerged victorious would be worthy of challenging for the Universal Title. And when the dust cleared, that Superstar was Samoa Joe.

Samoa Joe has quickly established himself as a force of pure bedlam in the WWE Universe, and he's out to dominate anything and everything in his path. While The Samoan Submission Specialist has shown that he has the tools to do just that, is he relentless enough to dominate The Conqueror? Or will Brock Lesnar add Joe to his own path of carnage?

It's happening. Samoa Joe was victorious in the Fatal Five Way on Sunday and and he moves on to Great Balls of Fire to tangle with the Night-Mayor (get it?) of Suplex City - Brock Lesnar*. As Joe himself has said, "sometimes you just want to see King Kong and Godzilla get down in Tokyo." Well it won't be in the Japanese capital, but rather Dallas, Texas and it'll take place at a PPV fashioned after a sixty year old Jerry Lee Lewis song. What a time to be alive.

WWE are marketing this as a legitimate dream match and many share that sentiment online. Joe's sort of had a funny old time of it since coming to the main roster - debuting in a fantastic manner that unfortunately injured the guy he was supposed to be working with leading up to and into WrestleMania and as such he's just sort of floated around killing people until he could resume the Rollins feud, all without actually appearing on WrestleMania.

Now, allowed to stretch his legs and not be weighed down by the Rollins/HHH malarkey, Joe moves on to fight for the biggest prize on the RAW side of things and up against the biggest, baddest and meanest mo-fo' this side of Haku: Brock Lesnar*! This could be something special, as long as Lesnar is willing to let Joe get in more than two or three moves of offense. These two could legitimately put on a match of the year candidate with Joe having the means to stop Lesnar, not to mention the promos between Heyman and Joe. My word. I mean, take a look at this from RAW Talk last night:


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When all's said and done this does look likely to be a fairly routine first defense for Lesnar, but it shouldn't be easy and it should be an absolute joy to watch these two hosses rip each other limb from limb. After all, it's like Jerry Lee said himself:

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Old 06-05-2017, 07:57 AM
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Not only would I like to see Joe get more than 2 moves in, I'd like to see Lesnar get more than 2 moves in as well. Lesnar can actually have some good matches, but the way he's being booked, he's literally only doing 2 moves. Let Joe put up a fight and get more of a real match with Lesnar for a change. I'm not even one of those guys who'd normally say something like that, but it's getting old with Lesnar.
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Old 06-05-2017, 09:29 AM
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I'm sad to write this but this looks like a total squash match to help lesnar get some of his heay back that he lost in the Goldberg feud.

So while this was a dream match that if booked right could have lead to something great, this will most likely be just another suplex city squash match by Brock.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:04 AM
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I'm skeptical about this because I can easily see Joe being fed to Brock Lesnar. It'd be a damn shame and it seems like an idiotic move, but nobody can tell Vince that as he absolutely loves this tired, worn out alpha male bullshit formula for Brock Lesnar.

If this turns out to be a situation in which Joe is sacrificed upon the altar of the Beast, I can honestly say I will not watch another Lesnar match because it'll all be the exact same formula until he gets to Roman Reigns. I know that Joe, Rollins, Balor, etc. won't beat Lesnar, but the next 10 months may be the last opportunity WWE has at utilizing Brock Lesnar's star power to elevate some guys who'll be helping carry the company for the next 5 to 10 years.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:05 AM
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my hope (and thinking) is that this will be a good match and not a squash. my hope is it goes at least 20 minutes or more....they have Joe get in some moves, have Lesnar suplex Joe....even have Joe use his finishers, but have Lesnar kick out of the Muscle Buster and then have him get to the ropes to break the clutch...have Lesnar then somehow F5 Joe only for Joe to kick out....then Lesnar F5s him twice to finally beat Joe. make Lesnar and Joe out to be the beasts that both are in this match.

if WWE wants Lesnar to squash someone, have maybe a Bray Wyatt be that...but honestly, i want to see great matches with all 6 of the contenders for Lesnar. Goldberg is not fighting for the title anymore, so short matches arent needed. make these guys look strong in defeat.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:10 AM
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I remember reading something a while back that said the original plan for Lesnar/Strowman at GBoF was to have Lesnar pretty much dominate the entirety of the match in an effort to get back some of the heat he lost in the Goldberg feud. Joe winning, while freakin awesome, kind of leads me to believe that we're going to see something similar. Joe, other than Reigns, was pretty much the one guy in that match who could be considered on the same level as Strowman in terms of dominance, character protection, attitude, etc.

I'm holding out some hope, but it seems like Joe is going to be built up so he can be destroyed by Brock, which would completely suck in my opinion. WWE has had the opportunity for the past couple of years to give us some legitimate mega-matches involving Brock and pretty much all of them have been brutal. Orton, Ambrose, and Rollins have all been destroyed by Lesnar in really well-built feuds with dud matches.

I get that they found fire with Brock after he broke the Streak and needed him to look dominant for a while, but that was over three years ago and it's well past time to do something different with Lesnar. At this point, a competitive match with Brock has star-making ability. Joe only gets the rub here if he doesn't get annihilated. Otherwise, this match pretty much does nothing for him.
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Old 06-05-2017, 10:55 AM
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Joe is going to get killed. Joe will get in more offense than, say, Orton did, but not much more. If they're building toward Lesnar/Reigns, I doubt Brock suffers much punishment at the hands of any opponent between now and Mania.

Personally, I'm fine with it. Lesnar is fantastic. Joe has always been decent and getting killed by Lesnar doesn't hurt anyone. "Moves" are overrated. It's the story that matters to general fans.
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This can't be a one-sided affair, can it? Arguably Samoa Joe is nowhere near as legitimate a main event star as we assumed he would be a few months ago when he debuted, but even then, this cannot be one of those "Brock Lesnar matches". The potential to have a really great match at the pay-per-view in which its name should never be mentioned is too great to pass on JUST to serve Brock Lesnar and his dominant character. To me, I find much more satisfaction and believe so much more in a "dominant" character if a guy survives long, drawn-out and brutal matches. Lesnar and Joe could have a really good match and for a lot of people, this truly is a match that we never thought we'd see. Even if Joe doesn't win, which is likely the case, it at least legitimises him as a guy that can hang with Lesnar, and makes Lesnar look good for toppling someone like Samoa Joe.

I'm remaining sceptical, but hopefully WWE does see the light and let this one go for a little longer than usual for Lesnar, and let them BOTH get in some unique offence that we know they are capable of doing.
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Joe is going to get killed. Joe will get in more offense than, say, Orton did, but not much more. If they're building toward Lesnar/Reigns, I doubt Brock suffers much punishment at the hands of any opponent between now and Mania.

Personally, I'm fine with it. Lesnar is fantastic. Joe has always been decent and getting killed by Lesnar doesn't hurt anyone. "Moves" are overrated. It's the story that matters to general fans.
Wow. Lesnar is fantastic? And getting killed by Lesnar doesn't hurt anyone? Really? Really?

What happened to Ambrose after he was squashed? Randy Orton? The latter was built in a long feud on expense of Bray Wyatt. Ambrose is still suffering. But Brock Lesnar is fantastic? How? By squashing every potential main eventer other than Vince's love Roman Reigns? By trying to put that Brock Lesnar is someone who can't be beaten unless it's Roman Reigns? If you love Brock squashing his opponents, then make him squash Roman Reigns as well. Why not him? Do you like boring squash matches over competitive matches? If you like boring squash matches that kill the wrestlers' momentum then I'm all okay with your saying that Brock Lesnar is fantastic. SPOILER : He isn't.
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Wow. Lesnar is fantastic? And getting killed by Lesnar doesn't hurt anyone? Really? Really?

What happened to Ambrose after he was squashed? Randy Orton? The latter was built in a long feud on expense of Bray Wyatt. Ambrose is still suffering. But Brock Lesnar is fantastic? How? By squashing every potential main eventer other than Vince's love Roman Reigns? By trying to put that Brock Lesnar is someone who can't be beaten unless it's Roman Reigns? If you love Brock squashing his opponents, then make him squash Roman Reigns as well. Why not him? Do you like boring squash matches over competitive matches? If you like boring squash matches that kill the wrestlers' momentum then I'm all okay with your saying that Brock Lesnar is fantastic. SPOILER : He isn't.
Ambrose is hurting because he just isn't that good. If you listen to any interview with Ambrose, he seems to not give a shit about anything, which is probably a large part of why he isn't half as good as he should be. As far as Orton, while being one of my all-time favorites, is not a top player anymore. Funny thing about that is, despite Lesnar, according to you, killing Orton, he still recently won the Rumble and held the world title. Lesnar didn't ruin either of those guys - they're simply not on his level.

Lesnar won't squash Reigns because he's a top guy, whether you believe so or not. Reigns is a threat to Lesnar.

Lesnar is fantastic because he doesn't have 50/50 matches where he and his opponent run around like chickens with their heads cut off making zero sense and not telling a story. Lesnar's a legitimate attraction.
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