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Suggesting Bret would've blocked Rock or Jericho's push is flat out ridiculous and baseless. Bret made Owen a star, made Austin legit, put Shawn over in the first place, put Yokozuna over, etc. Edit: whoa! I made my post after reading halfway through your message. If I knew just how ridiculous the post would get, I wouldn't have bothered replying. Wow. Last edited by LBGetBack : 08-08-2017 at 09:54 AM. |
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Bret was right all along. Instead of enjoying the drunken stupor high that was the AE, with its resultant hangover (this whole just talking in the ring nonsense still continues to this day) which largely 'ruined' wrestling, we might still be seeing old school booking that is really intriguing. Also, Vince would not have gotten the Heat for Austin to skyrocket to stardom (his stunner moment on Vince changed the WWF to the whole controlling GM crap u still see today vs wrestlers driving the story line). DX would not have gotten as big. WCW would not have gone out of business in the way it did trying to copy the WWE's AE (another victim). Notice how they went away from the AE content? But kept the worse parts of it? It's bc shock value loses at the end. With Bret still in the WWF/E, they would not have been able to go for all that shock value which was a short-term survival tactic. |
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![]() It would have been interesting as WCW really seemed to really mess up with him, I do believe he would have had a better ending to his full time career and as I think Bret was in on the Montreal Screwjob I could see it still happening and Bret going on to feud with the Mr Mcmahon character, Maybe retiring a couple of years later for an agent or trainer job and coming back for the occasional match against guys like The Rock, Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar, Some on here mentioned Owen Hart wouldn't have happened but I don't agree as Owen was his own man with his own choices, Bret wasn't his keeper.
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And Bret would have talked his brother out of doing the stunt. The hart foundation gimmick had staying power.
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![]() If Bret stays the following things happen:
1) HBK leaves to WCW and joins the Kliq, where he probably ends up like Scott Hall. 2) Tyson never does WM 14. Vince brought Tyson in with money he found after he got rid of Bret's heavy contract. During that time HBK would also have stayed around as well so probably, WM 14 becomes a big mess about who's going to main event. Add in there the fact that Owen broke Austin's neck and there could have been some hot drama between Bret-Austin-HBK. 3) WWE goes into the Attitude Era, since they had already started going into that direction, but without the two Bing Bangs: The Montreal Screwjob and Mike Tyson. So WWE loses a lot of momentum. 4) Owen probably never dies. 5) The Kliq probably kills WCW from within. Imagine a company with Hogan, Kliq and Flair in it. Too much ego. 6) WWF probably ends up winning the war, since in my eyes WCW was always gonna fall, but they never genereate the money they did and maybe WWF closes as well down the line. |
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![]() And don't forget about the mid carders and Sting and Lex Luger to add to the Hogan, Flair and the nWo cliques in WCW. WCW would've closed a year earlier.
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![]() There are a few things left out...
First off, In early September Vince said he couldn't afford to pay Bret, but by late September at the MSG Raw Vince told Bret that money was no longer a problem, that he could pay him in full. Then Vince laid out his plans, he wanted Bret to job to Michaels at a series of PPV matches, and then Bret would finally go over for the title on RAW saying if he lost he would never wrestle in the USA again, only to put Austin over at Mania, because Bret vs Austin was still hot. Bret realized he was no longer going to be champion, and he took it very seriously, a claim that many put on Michaels. Secondly, in late 1997 Vince was already discussing going public with the WWF and his advisors told him not to stick to any long-term financial commitments, one of them being the Hart contract. He paid Tyson all that money for a few appearances. It had nothing to do with money. I used to think Shawn was a prick and Bret was completely right, but after reading and listening to Bruce Prichard and even hearing the Shawn interview with Vince Russo last year, I just think Bret didn't want to give up that spot to a guy that he felt wasn't the right guy, and Bret took everything just as seriously and just as to heart as he accused Michaels of being insecure, etc. He was just as paranoid as Shawn was. For whatever flaws Michaels had, Bret was just as guilty. He didn't want to play second fiddle to a guy he felt didn't respect him, but at the same time Michaels had his own points of view on the situation, and I'm sure Vince played them both off each other. Michaels jobbed to Hart numerous times through 1992-1993 including a PPV in 1992 before the PPV over-exposure, and he played 2nd fiddle to Hart up until WM12, and in Michael's mind it was Hart's turn to do the same. They both worked each other into shoots. |
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It's a part of the event. If joe smith throws a strike instead of walking a batter, then jon jones is up with 2 out and 1 on and instead of a 3 run homer, hits a 2 run homer unless smith throws a different pitch and gets him out, thereby stopping the other team from scoring 5 runs in the inning and only giving up 2. It happens EVERY game in EVERY sport by EVERY one involved as a player, coach, announcer, and fan. It's so common there's a CLICHE term for it: Monday Morning Quarterback. it happens in non sports moments as well. In a situation you make a comment that then think to yourself, wait, should have said THIS instead. Why did i pick ?a moccacino instead of a latte? |
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![]() If he stayed, I think Bret could have transitioned onscreen role into a manager as some of the greats in past did. take a bunch of their up and comers at the time and teach them real in ring work to go along with and support the smash mouth high flying things that were starting to come around. Have a rotating stable over the years supporting people like edge, orton, cena and the like and making their in ring work even better while pushing their psychology and personalities even higher.
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