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Old 04-16-2017, 06:55 AM
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So, Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal started taking place in 2014 at Wrestlemania 30. Since then we've had four winners namely Cesaro, Big Show, Baron Corbin & Mojo Rawley.

The problem about this match is that it has no implications whatsoever except a trophy. The winner doesn't gain anything by winning the match. You could take any case, be it Cesaro or Baron Corbin.

So, I think that the winner should get at least a midcard title shot. Either InterContinental Championship or United States Championship. That would help to care more about this match as it will become more of a Royal Rumble for midcard titles. As of now, it's just a filler match.
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I have to agree there should be something more at the end of the ATGBM than what there is. The winners so far have really had no momentum coming out of it. A title shot at the US or IC somewhere down the road would make it more appealing, as most of the competitors end up going for those titles anyway.

The ATGBM is unfortunately just seen as a way for the mid card talent or wrestler's that don't have a match to get into the ring at Mania. When you consider the Rumble and MITB gives the winner a shot at the main titles, sure give the winner of the AGTBM at shot at the midcard titles, then viewers might be more into it than they are.
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While i do agree that you should have something more attach to the battle royal, at the same time, i don'T think that the winners as of now got no momentum out of it. Cesaro won the first one and for a couple of months the guy got a pretty descent push until the fans stop caring about his affiliation with Heyman and put a sudden stop on his push because it didn't work. But he had some momentum for a while.

Big show was pretty much just a way to thank him for being in the company for so long and at one point, you had to have big show win it.

Corbin i think got a lot of momentum out of winning this, he want from a glorify jobber on NXT to a guy challenging for the ic title within a year and is pretty much set to be in the main event picture of smackdown now, so to say that he didn't gain something from this is just dumb.

Mojo, will just have to wait and see what's going to happen with him, if i have to guess, i wouldn'T be surprise that when zack ryder comes back from injury, they just give up on mojo single push and just put him back in a tag team with zack. I could even see some sort of tag team title run for him before the end of the year.

Personally, i think that WWE is using this battle royal like they did back in the days with the king of the ring tournament. the give the trophy to the guy that they want to do something with over the next year. If it fail then it fail but at less they try to do something. Sometimes they will get a cesaro and it will fail miserably and sometime they will get lucky like they did with corbin and it will just click.
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While i do agree that you should have something more attach to the battle royal, at the same time, i don'T think that the winners as of now got no momentum out of it. Cesaro won the first one and for a couple of months the guy got a pretty descent push until the fans stop caring about his affiliation with Heyman and put a sudden stop on his push because it didn't work. But he had some momentum for a while.
Ummm... He didn't get a decent push. It didn't work because he was hot as a babyface and was turned heel, thus completely derailing him. He was losing to the likes of Rob Van Dam and Sheamus after this ATGMBR victory.
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I respect Big Show's longevity in WWE. But I would've preferred a win for Damien Mizdow/Sandow.
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Corbin i think got a lot of momentum out of winning this, he want from a glorify jobber on NXT to a guy challenging for the ic title within a year and is pretty much set to be in the main event picture of smackdown now, so to say that he didn't gain something from this is just dumb.
I don't think that he got any advantage from it. He was feuding with Dolph Ziggler of all people for the next 2-3 months. Also, he was nowhere near a glorified jobber in NXT. He started getting credible on main roster since December after WWE Championship match. Prior to that, he was feuding with Kalisto and Jack Swagger. So, he did gain nothing from ATGMBR regardless of you referring it as dumb.
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Mojo, will just have to wait and see what's going to happen with him, if i have to guess, i wouldn'T be surprise that when zack ryder comes back from injury, they just give up on mojo single push and just put him back in a tag team with zack. I could even see some sort of tag team title run for him before the end of the year.
Let's see what Mojo does.
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Personally, i think that WWE is using this battle royal like they did back in the days with the king of the ring tournament. the give the trophy to the guy that they want to do something with over the next year. If it fail then it fail but at less they try to do something. Sometimes they will get a cesaro and it will fail miserably and sometime they will get lucky like they did with corbin and it will just click.
Again, the motive of this thread was to ask for something valuable for the winner. None of the winners got anything except the trophy. Just making it a No. 1 contender match for either midcard title is all I'm asking for.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:52 AM
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The whole battle royal is a flawed concept from the get-go. At most, it's a 10 minute match where everyone who's not on the main card is just shoed in. Worse yet, WWE has failed to build it in a way where we care about anyone getting a win going into the match. We just get some paint-by-numbers segments, usually involving Big Show clearing the ring of several people and we call it a "build-up".

Stakes might add a bit of intrigue, but it's still a transparent excuse to get everyone on the card. If we go with the example of giving the winner of the match a mid-card championship match, well, that's still pretty weak. You have to figure that said mid-card champ is already building his blow-off match in their own feud. The champ doesn't have eyes on the battle royal, why should we? Can't really compare it to the Royal Rumble, either, because the championship defense at Rumble is a filler defense 3 out of 4 times. That shouldn't be the case for the mid-card title at the show-of-shows.

If anything, I think the Andre Royal is best reimagined as a spectacle. I'd impose a weight OR height minimum. Competitors must weigh a minimum 300lbs, or be at least 7' tall. I think there's been a resurgence of appreciation for what Big Men bring to the table, but throwing in a mass of humanity in the Royal would be fun to watch.

I don't think you'll ever get anyone to care about the match, but you might be able to turn it into a spectacle.
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I think the problem with the entire concept is how the aftermath of the first one went down. When Hogan announced the first one for WrestleMania 30, I did think it was a cool idea. There was a decent amount of mid-card to upper-card stars in the match (Big Show, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, Kofi Kingston etc.). It was showcased, and Cesaro got a major win with the way he threw Big Show out. But what happens next? Nothing. Well, they tried. But pairing him with Paul Heyman, while a pipedream because Heyman is God and Cesaro was majorly popular, couldn't work when Cesaro is a face and not a heel like Heyman and his big client who had literally just broken the streak THE NIGHT BEFORE. It doesn't work.

My point is, you have to set a precedent. Had the winner of the first Money in the Bank ladder match cashed in and lost, what would have been of the concept? Probably nothing. But they executed it perfectly with Edge. The following year, Rob Van Dam had a different scenario, but it worked. From there, it was a sold concept.

The battle royal, on the other hand, got nothing. Cesaro's push fell apart, which meant that we were given no reminder of how he not only won that match, but how it had helped him get to wherever they intended that push to go. Then the following year, it's a pre-show match with a very small pool of contenders. If the precedent had been set with the first couple of battle royals, then we as fans, and the WWE creative, would understand the significance of any star winning future battle royals. It's like Money in the Bank at this point - we've had a couple of dud winners and failed cash-ins, but the concept works perfectly fine anyway.

For me, a future title shot, or whatever it is, would be beneficial in making the match mean something for sure. But it should never have gotten to this point in the first place.

Then again, what should we all expect? Other than the Royal Rumble, battle royals nowadays mean absolutely nothing.

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Yeah from day one it should have had some sort of stipulation where the winner actually gets something. Cesaro winning the first one was memorable since everyone wanted to see what would happen. What did we get out of it? A failed alliance angle with Heyman. What I remember more than anything else from that first Andre Battle Royal aftermath was Jack Swagger destroying that stupid trophy. The second one was even worse, and arguably the worst of all. They stuck Sandow and Miz in there on the pre-show for this useless battle royal when they had a feud deserving of an actual match, only for Big Show to win. I get that Big Show "needed" to win this at some point, but why rob Sandow of a Wrestlemania moment for that? They did it right with Corbin, to an extent. Having him debut there and win was cool. Still, it would have helped if he actually got SOMETHING out of the win beyond "Hey, I debuted in the Andre Battle Royal and won". So what!? Don't even get me started on Mojo from this year.

This battle royal needs to mean something. They could have made it into something cool but now it's literally turned into the spot on the card where all the guys they have NOTHING for end up. There is nothing special about it. Have the guy who wins get their choice of an Intercontinental or United States Championship shot. It could have given Mojo a cool storyline this year due to the Superstar Shakeup he could have moved to Raw to feud with Ambrose, for example. Or they could award the winner with a midcard title shot at Summerslam. Take all summer to build the guy up. That may be a bit much but it's better than a pointless trophy that means little more than the Bragging Rights trophy did. Make the fans care or else they won't. The concept is still new enough that it could be salvaged next year if they add something more to it. If they don't then it will go on to become the match where people go to the fridge for a snack because if the WWE doesn't care about it, then why should any of the fans?
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It's only there to get everyone on the card. That's the entire problem.

So you could give it a stipulation, but it wouldn't change that fact.
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Yeah, I'm in agreement that here should be some real implications for the winner of the battle royal aside from getting their name stuck on the side of a trophy that's topped by a little statue of Andre. A title shot of some sort somewhere down the line is a logical prize and I think it'd make the overall anticipation of the battle royal itself go to a higher level.

The thing about the battle royal, however, is that Vince is in a spot where he'll be bitched about no matter what. Before the creation of the battle royal, you had some fans and more than a few dirt sheet writers complaining about how hard working lower and mid-card guys didn't get a share of the WrestleMania payout; but now, you have fans and those same writers complaining about the absurd length the show is because WWE tries to fit almost everyone on the main roster onto the show.

I wouldn't mind them shaking things up a bit. For instance, I had the thought of having two separate, 10 man battle royals with the winners facing off against each other in a match on the main WrestleMania card to determine the overall winner of the battle royal and gets a shot at either the CW, IC or US title at some point.
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While i do agree that you should have something more attach to the battle royal, at the same time, i don'T think that the winners as of now got no momentum out of it. Cesaro won the first one and for a couple of months the guy got a pretty descent push until the fans stop caring about his affiliation with Heyman and put a sudden stop on his push because it didn't work. But he had some momentum for a while.
I'm glad we agree that there should be something to winning it, but I disagree with the second part of your statement. Cesaro was paired with Heyman right away, the same guy who was managing Lesnar, the guy who broke the Undertaker's streak. Heyman focused more on the streak being broken than he ever did on Cesaro. It was a total mistake to pair the two of them to begin with, Cesaro didn't need a manager. The push didn't work because the WWE screwed it up completely, that can't be blamed on Cesaro alone. Whatever Cesaro gained from winning the Battle Royal was lost.

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Big show was pretty much just a way to thank him for being in the company for so long and at one point, you had to have big show win it.
And what momentum did Big Show get from winning? Short answer, none. He won it for his loyalty which was another wasted opportunity to put someone over. Sandow should have eliminated Miz to set up his push, but yea no. Sandow was gone soon after and Big Show is a part timer now.

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Corbin i think got a lot of momentum out of winning this, he want from a glorify jobber on NXT to a guy challenging for the ic title within a year and is pretty much set to be in the main event picture of smackdown now, so to say that he didn't gain something from this is just dumb.
Corbin was a pretty big deal in NXT that's why he was moved up so quickly. I still think he was a little green to be honest, but he ended up in a program with Ziggler and since the brand split has done pretty well for himself. The WWE gave him the opportunity and he took it. I used to think he was boring but now quite like him. I don't see any push from winning the Battle Royal he did it on his own.

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Mojo, will just have to wait and see what's going to happen with him, if i have to guess, i wouldn'T be surprise that when zack ryder comes back from injury, they just give up on mojo single push and just put him back in a tag team with zack. I could even see some sort of tag team title run for him before the end of the year.
The night Ryder was injured hadn't they just won the number one contender's spot, so I'm sure they will be in hunt. Moving him over to RAW was a huge mistake though, he'll get lost in the shuffle.

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Personally, i think that WWE is using this battle royal like they did back in the days with the king of the ring tournament. the give the trophy to the guy that they want to do something with over the next year. If it fail then it fail but at less they try to do something. Sometimes they will get a cesaro and it will fail miserably and sometime they will get lucky like they did with corbin and it will just click.
No they are using it to get everyone on the card for the show, sort of a thank you for all the hard work over the year. Cesaro shouldn't have failed, Corbin did okay on his own, Big Show well he's Big Show, Rawley remains to be seen.

I do like JH's idea for having two Battle Royal's with the winners on the card later that night and the winner does get a guaranteed shot at the IC or US title.
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