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Old 03-25-2017, 06:22 AM
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While this match could turn out to be very entertaining, it could also turn out to be a disaster. We watched Shane almost kill himself at Survivor Series and totally miss Styles on SD the other night doing what he does best, being a spot monkey jumping off of high places.

Don't get me wrong I like both guys, but I just can't get by the feeling that Styles is totally getting screwed over this year, and the only reason he has Shane as an opponent is because they can't find anyone else to put him in a match with.

It didn't have to be Shane though. The WWE dropped the ball on this one big time and missed a golden opportunity. What they should have done is have Styles attack Shane in the garage like he did. Shane get's so pissed off he wants to fight Styles, but can't get cleared in time. So he does the only thing left, brings in a ringer. He gets in the ring last week and tells Styles he has a match a Mania, but won't find out till then who he's got a match with.

At Mania after they introduce Styles, have Nakamura's music hit and boom, Nakamura comes down and the two of them have the match of the night. That way could bring Nakamura up on a big way and we the fans would get to see one hell of a match.

Would also have Styles win and Shane gets so incensed that he trades Styles to RAW for another big name. It would kill numerous birds with one stone. Nakamura debuts and goes to Smackdown, Styles as Vince wants goes to RAW and SD gets Reigns or Joe.

JH said fans get irked when part timers come into the biggest show of the year and take plum spots. He right and Shane feuding with Styles is the reason why. Every year when Mania rolls around the McMahon's always have to be front and centre. Stephanie up there screaming like a fishwife, HHH having a match and now Shane.

Don't mind HHH as much, but like I've said before he doesn't need a Mania match every year and neither does Shane. They are fine in the capacity they work at without having to take another superstar's place.
I get what your saying but we as fans need to remember that wrestlemania is pretty much become an event for the casual fans and it's the one time of the year where we as fans are not important in the eyes of the wwe. Has much as a nakamura vs aj would have been a good match, casual fans don't know who is nakamura, so it might be an attraction for us but it means nothing to the casual fan. Using somebody like a shane mcmahon is showing out much fate wwe as in aj to put him in a high profile match like this one.

We as fan, don't see what's best for business sometimes and would rather the wwe book for us fan then for what bes for the company in general. I'm not a huge fan of this match in general but I get why this as to be done. They want aj to be in a high profile match and get the rub from a part timer which is what part timers should be use for as mania.

In the end, I rather see aj in this match that been buried in the midcard of wrestlemania in a nothing match. As for nakamura I would rather have him debut on either the raw or smackdown after mania then on mania itself. The guy would get lost if he debut at mania, just like if balor comes back at mania and he deserve better then then the have his debut waste. This guys is money in my opinion and you could create a bigger superstar with a debut after mania then during it.
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:53 AM
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I get what your saying but we as fans need to remember that wrestlemania is pretty much become an event for the casual fans and it's the one time of the year where we as fans are not important in the eyes of the wwe. Has much as a nakamura vs aj would have been a good match, casual fans don't know who is nakamura, so it might be an attraction for us but it means nothing to the casual fan. Using somebody like a shane mcmahon is showing out much fate wwe as in aj to put him in a high profile match like this one.

We as fan, don't see what's best for business sometimes and would rather the wwe book for us fan then for what bes for the company in general. I'm not a huge fan of this match in general but I get why this as to be done. They want aj to be in a high profile match and get the rub from a part timer which is what part timers should be use for as mania.

In the end, I rather see aj in this match that been buried in the midcard of wrestlemania in a nothing match. As for nakamura I would rather have him debut on either the raw or smackdown after mania then on mania itself. The guy would get lost if he debut at mania, just like if balor comes back at mania and he deserve better then then the have his debut waste. This guys is money in my opinion and you could create a bigger superstar with a debut after mania then during it.
And I get what you are saying, but you forget that Wrestlemania tickets went on sale 5 months ago and sold out. The event sells itself as there is no way back then anyone could have guessed who would be on the card or carrying the belts into the championship matches. You could put a trained chimpanzee in there facing a guy standing on his head in the corner spitting wooden nickels and people would be stuck watching it.

So you don't like the Nakamura idea, put Kurt Angle in his place, put anyone but Shane McMahon. AJ Styles had arguably the best debut year of any wrestler in the WWE recently. To lumber him in a match with a guy who wrestler's about as many times a year as Undertaker is ridiculous. Like I said before, he nearly kills himself everytime he's in the ring and I think he is sloppy and that makes him dangerous. Not only to himself but to his opponent.

There to me anyway is a huge difference between a Brock Lesnar and a Shane McMahon. Lesnar is a trained wrestler, McMahon couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag. Shane McMahon is the kind of part timer I hate to see on the biggest show of the year, I'm sorry but he just doesn't need to be there, buried in the midcard with one of the best wrestlers on the planet. Styles with what he's done this year deserves so much more at Mania.
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Old 03-25-2017, 03:41 PM
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And I get what you are saying, but you forget that Wrestlemania tickets went on sale 5 months ago and sold out. The event sells itself as there is no way back then anyone could have guessed who would be on the card or carrying the belts into the championship matches. You could put a trained chimpanzee in there facing a guy standing on his head in the corner spitting wooden nickels and people would be stuck watching it.

So you don't like the Nakamura idea, put Kurt Angle in his place, put anyone but Shane McMahon. AJ Styles had arguably the best debut year of any wrestler in the WWE recently. To lumber him in a match with a guy who wrestler's about as many times a year as Undertaker is ridiculous. Like I said before, he nearly kills himself everytime he's in the ring and I think he is sloppy and that makes him dangerous. Not only to himself but to his opponent.

There to me anyway is a huge difference between a Brock Lesnar and a Shane McMahon. Lesnar is a trained wrestler, McMahon couldn't punch his way out of a wet paper bag. Shane McMahon is the kind of part timer I hate to see on the biggest show of the year, I'm sorry but he just doesn't need to be there, buried in the midcard with one of the best wrestlers on the planet. Styles with what he's done this year deserves so much more at Mania.

Just to clarified a point in my comment, when I'm talking about an event for the casual fans, I'm talking about subscription to the network not ticket sales. Like it or not, shane does draw to type of fans. He was a huge attraction during the attitude era.

I think that we as fans seems to be missing the big picture in this match. I know we would want aj to get this classic mania match because he had a great year, and we dismiss shane because he's a non wrestler, but when shane want to, he can actually have classic matches. I think this match will surprise alot of fans that didn't want tis match to happen.

I think while I might not be what we wanted to see for aj at mania, I think this is a great way to cap off what was his best year of his career. He ot one of the headlining match at mania, what more do you want for him.
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What I load of BS. If this match isn't a street fight why is this match happening. If Shane isn't jumping off something big or doing something crazy why is he in a match at mania. WASTE
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Last night made it sound as though Styles might lose and if he does, then this is a definite waste of a top tier talent. I mean, let's face it, Shane McMahon should be carrying Styles' bag from his car to the locker room and everyone knows it.

I dunno, it'd just be a major pecker slap in the minds of a lot of fans if 47 year old Shane McMahon, who's had maybe 20 or so matches his entire life, went over a guy that's been touted as one of the best in-ring guys in the world for the last 15 years or so. I think Shane winning would also just suck the energy out of the building because the fans simply aren't on Shane's side; fans like the guy and they like cheering him, but not when it comes to him winning a match against AJ Styles. So if Vince does intend to make the idiotic mistake of having his one and only precious baby boy beating the guy that's probably viewed as the best pro wrestler in the world today, then he should put it in the next to last match.
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Aftr last night, I could see shane winning this because of how big aj's ego as become which would be some make sense especially if they want to move a.j styles to raw after mania.

I think sometimes, fans then to take the winning and losing stuff to seriously and don't want to see the bigger picture and this match is the perfect exemple of a match serving a bigger purpse then just what the outcome will be
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Aftr last night, I could see shane winning this because of how big aj's ego as become which would be some make sense especially if they want to move a.j styles to raw after mania.

I think sometimes, fans then to take the winning and losing stuff to seriously and don't want to see the bigger picture and this match is the perfect exemple of a match serving a bigger purpse then just what the outcome will be
I tend to agree about AJ's ego, but this isn't a B PPV we are talking about or an episode of SD Live, this is Wrestlemania literally the biggest show of the year. He lost to Jericho last year in his Mania debut, and to have Styles lose again to really a non-wrestler in Shane McMahon would be a crime. Last Mania Shane lost to the Undertaker, a man who is 50 years old and can barely walk. To have him go over Styles one of the best in the world, just no.

I like Shane and I like that he isn't a Stephanie hogging the spotlight all the time, but in this case I would lose some respect for him and the McMahon's in general if Shane wins. Said it before, HHH, Shane and the rest don't need to be involved in matches every year. At least not when others who bust their asses are stuck in a Battle Royal for no prize at the end of it. That stadium will be sold out no matter if HHH or Shane is on the card or not.
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I tend to agree about AJ's ego, but this isn't a B PPV we are talking about or an episode of SD Live, this is Wrestlemania literally the biggest show of the year. He lost to Jericho last year in his Mania debut, and to have Styles lose again to really a non-wrestler in Shane McMahon would be a crime. Last Mania Shane lost to the Undertaker, a man who is 50 years old and can barely walk. To have him go over Styles one of the best in the world, just no.

I like Shane and I like that he isn't a Stephanie hogging the spotlight all the time, but in this case I would lose some respect for him and the McMahon's in general if Shane wins. Said it before, HHH, Shane and the rest don't need to be involved in matches every year. At least not when others who bust their asses are stuck in a Battle Royal for no prize at the end of it. That stadium will be sold out no matter if HHH or Shane is on the card or not.
These matches are not made for tickets sells, they know that the event will be sold out before the card is announce. These matches are made to increase the network subscriptions number, that's all these matches are all about. While I agree with you that shane shouldn't to win the match, you coild do it so that he looks strong in losing and it's just an mistake that cost him the victory. Which would advance the story where aj wants to leave smackdown after this lost.

You could also do it the other way and aj wins after a tough match and gets a title match agains the winner of orton and wyatt, but you put a stipulation that if he lose the title match at the next smackdown ppv he's fired from smackdown.
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It would be ridiculous if AJ Styles lost to Shane McMahon.

Wins and Losses do matter. A lot. See Braun Strowman before Fastlane and then after Fastlane. Just one clean defeat. Saying that wins and losses don't matter is just a way to cover up.

AJ Styles is one of the best wrestlers. Shane is a good part-time wrestler but why would he need a win against AJ Styles?

AJ Styles should win this and also decisively.
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Rumor is Aj Styles is due to title match after Mania. So, no way he loses this if they plan to insert him in title feud next. Though, its WWE, he did lost to Jericho last year and was no1 contender against Reigns in next PPV. So logic is not strong side of them. Dont believe he would lose this though.
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