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Old 02-01-2017, 09:52 AM
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Coming off the Shield, there was a chance for Ambrose to become a Stone Cold type character. Creative failed, booking failed, and he never had fully taken the ball and run with it either. His "IDGAF" stuff has never fully connected, his ring work hasn't improved much if at all.

He's basically just a guy. He's not terrible. But he's not what many thought he would be, if you think back to how he was viewed 3-4 years ago. Personally, I think having him basically lose every solo feud early in his run did a lot of damage. Rollins and Bray owned him.
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Old 02-01-2017, 10:30 AM
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Coming off the Shield, there was a chance for Ambrose to become a Stone Cold type character. Creative failed, booking failed, and he never had fully taken the ball and run with it either. His "IDGAF" stuff has never fully connected, his ring work hasn't improved much if at all.

He's basically just a guy. He's not terrible. But he's not what many thought he would be, if you think back to how he was viewed 3-4 years ago. Personally, I think having him basically lose every solo feud early in his run did a lot of damage. Rollins and Bray owned him.
I don't know what the hell you are going on about. He consistently gets a real solid reaction from the crowd. He's funny and badass most of the time and his "IDGAF" attitude is what makes him stand out for further proof watch his entrance at The Royal Rumble with the prospect of facing Braun Strowman. No sweat. His in-ring game is more than solid, but he does have a rough style that in my view, stands out from most of the guys and with the right opponents does indeed help the match.

He's been holding his end of the bargain since the brand split. Good to great matches with the likes of John Cena, AJ Styles and The Miz. His shtick as the Mountie, his last night's opening "walks in, gets announced for EC, gets the fuck out. Stops and gets a fight with AJ Styles". That's a solid character.

He isn't going to be the next Steve Austin, sure, but neither would Steve Austin be the star that he is in a PG environment. If anything Ambrose isn't dependable on swear words and showing the finger he legit never quits even if that ends up ending his career, mainly because he isn't all there in the head. He's the only real babyface on SmackDown that can help establish new dudes as well as go to the main event and steal the show.

He's in the sweet spot with the main event getting crowded. Before the end of the year, he'll be main eventing pay-per-views again. We haven't seen him as an heel yet and when he was allowed to be that, he pretty much built The Shield in the beginning. Dean Ambrose vs. John Cena could main event any PPV from No Mercy to WrestleMania under the right circumstances and that speaks a lot about Ambrose.
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:51 PM
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I wouldn't say colossal failure. I wouldn't even say failure in general. It seemed like they cooled him down a few months after the shield breakup and that mini feud with Lesnar didn't do too much to help him. But he's still an IC champ as well as a former Smackdown champ. 50/50 booking didn't do him too many favors, but he still has a long career ahead of him, barring any injuries
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:05 PM
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I wouldn't say colossal failure. I wouldn't even say failure in general. It seemed like they cooled him down a few months after the shield breakup and that mini feud with Lesnar didn't do too much to help him. But he's still an IC champ as well as a former Smackdown champ. 50/50 booking didn't do him too many favors, but he still has a long career ahead of him, barring any injuries
Yeah, but think about what general expectations were for him. He's well short of those.

Like I said, not all his fault. I don't think the character quite connects like it could, the feuds have generally fallen short of expectations, and the matches are just ok for the most part. He's not bad. You could argue that he's actually pretty good. But I don't think he's come close to living up to expectations. Like you said, they seemed to cool him on purpose initially which I think hurt him quite a bit. His reactions died down quite a bit when he just kept losing, which is how it usually goes.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:08 PM
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I don't know what the hell you are going on about. He consistently gets a real solid reaction from the crowd. He's funny and badass most of the time and his "IDGAF" attitude is what makes him stand out for further proof watch his entrance at The Royal Rumble with the prospect of facing Braun Strowman. No sweat. His in-ring game is more than solid, but he does have a rough style that in my view, stands out from most of the guys and with the right opponents does indeed help the match.

He's been holding his end of the bargain since the brand split. Good to great matches with the likes of John Cena, AJ Styles and The Miz. His shtick as the Mountie, his last night's opening "walks in, gets announced for EC, gets the fuck out. Stops and gets a fight with AJ Styles". That's a solid character.

He isn't going to be the next Steve Austin, sure, but neither would Steve Austin be the star that he is in a PG environment. If anything Ambrose isn't dependable on swear words and showing the finger he legit never quits even if that ends up ending his career, mainly because he isn't all there in the head. He's the only real babyface on SmackDown that can help establish new dudes as well as go to the main event and steal the show.

He's in the sweet spot with the main event getting crowded. Before the end of the year, he'll be main eventing pay-per-views again. We haven't seen him as an heel yet and when he was allowed to be that, he pretty much built The Shield in the beginning. Dean Ambrose vs. John Cena could main event any PPV from No Mercy to WrestleMania under the right circumstances and that speaks a lot about Ambrose.
Yeah, man.....solid. I would agree with that. But most thought he would be much more. Something has been missing to this point. Like you said, he hasn't had a heel run on his own yet. Maybe that is where he will truly shine?

Thinking about it, all of the Shield were way more over as faces when they were together. Reigns has been heavily booed throughout his face run, Rollins face run so far has been pretty terrible, and Ambrose's has just been ok.
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What did you expect? I don't think he's that good in the ring, his moveset is lame and he has weak punches like Shane. He's my least favorite out of the three in the shield, if I was booking the shows, he would be a jobber.
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What did you expect? I don't think he's that good in the ring, his moveset is lame and he has weak punches like Shane. He's my least favorite out of the three in the shield, if I was booking the shows, he would be a jobber.
I thought he could be one of those unique guys....like a Roddy Piper, a Mick Foley, etc. that just produces compelling and exciting segments and matches.
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No, Dean Ambrose hasn't been a colossal failure. People put so much pressure on these guys like, for instance, comparing Dean Ambrose to Stone Cold Steve Austin, and when these impossible expectations aren't met they act like said wrestler hasn't "lived up to the hype" or whatever. Dean Ambrose was never going to be Stone Cold. Nobody is ever going to be Stone Cold. Dean Ambrose is a solid wrestler who, despite his shitty booking most of the time, can still be inserted into a main event championship feud at the drop of a hat and have most fans not only accept it, but get behind him for it. The guy has been consistently and legitimately hot for 5 years. How many *full-time veterans can you say that about at this point? John Cena, Randy Orton, Seth Rollins, Bray Wyatt and... that's about it.

To be over at that level in this day and age and for that length of time means you're good. Really good. You have to be to keep the attention deficient fans of this era happy. I mean, the guy has been treated like a second class citizen since the Shield split and has still managed to become a 2 time IC champ, WWE champ, and get a Brock Lesnar match at Mania, all while staying extremely over with the fanbase.

People who complain about his wrestling don't get it. Here's a hot tidbit. Wrestling ability matters very little in the world of sport-entertainment. It's why Sami Zayn, despite being a great wrestler, is not very over with the crowd. Guys like AJ Styles and Kevin Owens might be fantastic wrestlers, but that's not why they're over despite what some may have you believe. Dean Ambrose objectively is one of the best commodities in the WWE right now. Is he John Cena? No. But nobody in this era is comparable to John Cena.
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If you somehow judge him after his SD match with Styles last night, forget it. I agree, he needs better arsenal of moves and match "strategy". But his match wasn't any bad. It was ok. It's hard to understand right after 5 star Cena/Styles classic at Rumble, but you can't have this kind of matches every night.
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It's amazing how a colossal failure and being one of the most over wrestlers on the roster look so much alike.

Like OYDK said, I think some fans have expectations that are just flat out unreasonable. I mean, how often do we hear comments about someone "is going to be the next Brock Lesnar" or something along those lines? I'm happy that Ambrose is ultimately his own guy; I have no doubt that he could be exactly like Stone Cold Steve Austin if the opportunity was given, but Stone Cold Steve Austin, hell the Attitude Era in and of itself, was ultimately Vince McMahon in panic mode and doing whatever he could to beat WCW. Wrestling has traditionally been what we'd consider PG, something that pretty much all family members can watch, and that's how Vince wants to keep it.

Ambrose is a valuable guy. He's a solid overall wrestler who can be inserted into a mid-card, main event or tag team title picture and most fans readily and happily accept it because Ambrose has the goods to keep them entertained.
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