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Old 01-01-2017, 03:04 AM
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At SummerSlam 91 Ultimate Warrior told Vince McMahon he wouldn't work the main event unless he was paid all the money he owed him, going back to WrestleMania.

Its said that holding up a promoter like this is a cardinal sin in pro wrestling. In my view, there's an inherent dishonesty within the industry regarding management. Not every promoter, but many, including Vince McMahon. Its like wrestlers are supposed to just accept that management will lie to them.

I wouldn't have handled the situation the same way Warrior did, but I respect Warrior for standing up to Vince. Pro wrestling can be a shady business behind the scenes, and Warrior, rightly, refused to accept it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 08:08 AM
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However you may feel about promoters, there is an unwritten law that you don't screw the fans. ever...

Warrior did his best to do just that by threatening to no-show Summerslam and basically holding Vince to ransom. Rather than lose face (and money) by having Warrior no show and fail to provide the advertised show, Vince ponied up...and then canned him.

This wasn't like a Jeff Jarrett situation, where he was legit out of contract and had no obligation to drop the title (much less to a woman) and as such a demand for payment was understandable... This was Warrior deciding he'd had enough of playing second fiddle to Hogan and making a power play.

Put yourself in Vince's position... just one year earlier, Warrior had dug his heels in over Rick Rude and refused to job the title to him, Rude walked, costing Vince what turned out to be the best heel of the era... eventually if you cause enough shit, the man is going to tire of you and pull whatever rug you have from under you that barely a year on from Summerslam 91 the relationship was again in the toilet through Warrior's indiscreetness, costing Vince another talent in Davey Boy.

Basically, Warrior did very little to justify the demand he made all told, now they are retconning him to be a bigger deal than he was... but even then as a teenager, I could see he was a flash in the pan if I am honest... Vince saw it too.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:40 AM
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Ultimate Warrior was also on the weird side in WTF-world. He legally changed his name to Warrior for example. He lived the gimmick. If you watched his interviews with Mean Gene, half of them don't make any sense at all. Then he created a Warrior comic book that was extremely strange, one panel made it look like he just raped Santa Claus. That's just the small highlights of his oddness, I'm sure there's hundreds of stories out there of how bat shit crazy he is. So in conclusion, it's hard to pick a side when one side has a real life Loony Toons character and the other a world class promoter who would do anything for his company.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:56 AM
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Something I don't know, that's important for context.

Plenty of wrestlers moved around between companies. Was there a pattern of Vince McMahon not paying what he owed to people who had left?

Scott Hall claims that he didn't get a penny from the time he left WWF until he returned in 2002. But he also said that
1. Kevin Nash got his royalties
2. WWF used a failed drug test against him only after he gave notice. (In other words, failing drug tests didn't bother WWF until he was leaving and it was an excuse not to pay him royalties.)

Does anyone have examples of wrestlers who claim that WWF held up their checks after they left WWF?

Jeff JArrett is one example, but even he only claims that Vince wouldn't have paid him, not that he didn't.
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There may be an unwritten rule about no-showing the fans but there's definitely a written rule that says you pay your debts. Vince is a sneaky underhanded bastard that can't be trusted and, as much as I don't like him, I'm with Warrior on this one.
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Old 01-01-2017, 11:24 AM
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There may be an unwritten rule about no-showing the fans but there's definitely a written rule that says you pay your debts. Vince is a sneaky underhanded bastard that can't be trusted and, as much as I don't like him, I'm with Warrior on this one.
There is plenty of evidence of Vince being a sneaky underhanded bastard. But does he subscribe to the Donald Trump school of stiffing creditors? Are there wrestlers we can point to and say, if Warrior/JArrett hadn't pulled this power play, he'd have ended up like XXX, who had to sue Vince to get his money?
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If it's true that Vince owed Warrior money....then I side with Warrior. That's his livelihood. He was in a position where he could do that, luckily for him. What if he had no leverage?

One thing on Warrior....how did he never show up in WCW from the time he left WWF the second time in 1992 and his return in 1996? He was still a huge name in 92,93....and WCW brought in Jake Roberts, British Bulldog, Big Boss Man, etc....basically every other big name that left WWF in the early 90s.
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Put yourself in Vince's position... just one year earlier, Warrior had dug his heels in over Rick Rude and refused to job the title to him, Rude walked, costing Vince what turned out to be the best heel of the era... eventually if you cause enough shit, the man is going to tire of you and pull whatever rug you have from under you that barely a year on from Summerslam 91 the relationship was again in the toilet through Warrior's indiscreetness, costing Vince another talent in Davey Boy.
I've never heard of Warrior "not wanting to job to Rude" he had jobbed to him just a year earlier at WrestleMania 5 albeit with interference from Bobby Heenan but it would absolutely make no sense to have Warrior job the title away so close to winning it from Hogan. Rude left because of the pay discrepancy between him and Warrior at SummerSlam '90 where he basically carried Warrior the entire match and got something like 1/5 of what Warrior got.
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As far as who was "right" and who was "wrong" it depends on your opinion of the version of events and whether you are "pro-business" and "pro-union". For reference back before guaranteed contracts the standard WWF contract was you were guaranteed 10 dates at $100 per date. Of course you made substantially more depending on where you were on the card and how much the house drew etc....

So no Vince didn't "owe" Warrior a dime more than the $100 for those 10 dates. This all "handshake" deals. Warrior was dissatisfied with his WrestleMania 7 payoff. He felt he meant as much to that show as Hogan did. Without getting into specifics it's pretty obvious Hogan was paid 1 million for WM 7 and Warrior got $500,000. Warrior demanded $500,000 MORE for his appearance at WrestleMania 7 PLUS all of Hogan's perks i.e. bigger slice of the merchandise pie, bigger slice of house show revenue, less house show dates, more time off, all of revenue from the Warrior line etc....if you read his lawsuit it goes into detail.

Back in those days if you had a problem with the payoff you held out. It's the only way talent who felt they were wronged could exact change without the benefit of a contract or union. Most times the employer would just let that talent walk as in the case with Rude but Warrior was advertised as co-main event SummerSlam and Vince felt it was in the company's best interest to deliver Warrior.

He was also SUSPENDED not fired. If he was fired he could've went to WCW in 3 months. Instead he was suspended for 8 months without pay. So it just depends on what you believe. Warrior felt he under paid for his services so he decided to "hold out" until it got remedied. Vince felt Warrior was paid justly was using his "holding out" to extract more money from Vince.
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What exactly is the real story of what went down? The general consensus is that Warrior held Vince for ransom, and maybe he did. Now Vince is by no means a saint, but if he acquiesced it was due to not shafting the paying fans. If I was in Warrior's position, if I were truly in the right, then why not get a lawyer to represent you. It's not a good idea to do a power play like this and not consider the consequence of what you're doing.
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