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Old 09-29-2016, 04:47 AM
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After seeing the thread made by Eyebrows - Lapsed fan starting to tune in every week @ http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showth...99#post5583199, I decided to share why I am doing the opposite. Itís a slightly long read, so apologies in advance.

I have watched WWF/WWE since early 1998 (14 years old at the time), started watching just before the Royal Rumble. This was where Stone Cold won the Rumble, went to WM14 and beat HBK to become WWF Champion. I would also tune into WCW and watch the NWO, Goldberg, Sting, DDP etc and would do so until it's demise in 2001 (and watch ECW without knowing who was who), but WWF was by far and away king for me. I was enthralled by the violence, the storylines, the divas, everything. It was brilliant.

The feud that hooked me though wasn't Austin vs McMahon (as good as that was), it was DX vs The Nation, which later morphed into Triple H vs The Rock. These two and Austin were the 3 MVP's of the Attitude Era (Triple H doesn't quite get his due compared to Rock & Austin). Seeing The Rock (my all time favourite) become WWF Champion at Survivor Series 1998, facing the likes of Triple H, Mankind and Stone Cold Steve Austin (still bugs me Rock never beat Austin when the lights shone brightest) and become ARGUABLY the biggest star ever still gives me chills when relieving it all on YouTube (I certainly donít pay 9.99 a month for the WWE Network). WWF Raw is War and WWF Smackdown were what I lived for every weeks, and staying up until 4am (I live in the UK) every month for each PPV and turning into 6th form college half asleep are memories I will forever cherish.

If I could relieve one moment over and over, it would be WrestleMania 17, The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin for the WWF Championship (the most iconic championship title ever). The two biggest stars ever (save maybe a Real American) going at it on the grandest stage of all. Even though The Rock lost (please donít) it was the highlight of the Attitude Era. Wrestling would never quite reach those heights again for me.

The Invasion that followed should have been the biggest angle in wrestling ever. WWF Ė Vince McMahon, The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, The Undertaker, Kane, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle against WCW Ė Eric Bischoff, The NWO, Goldberg, Sting, DDP, Booker T. With ECW on the side lead by Paul Heyman it should have been the pinnacle of all of wrestling. However as we all know it didnít quite pan out that way. It did however, set the early foundations for where the now WWE is at today.

After the Invasion angle ended, there were simply far too many titles and wrestlers. I believe the initial plan was for WCW to run as a separate entity, however Buff Bagwell and Booker T helped put paid to that. So after title unifications at the back end of 2001, the brand extension was born in early 2002. Initially there was still only one set of titles (the now Undisputed Title along with the Womenís Title was allowed on both Smackdown and Raw). The rosters being split along with the WWF changing to WWE (another dark(ish) day) started to see the Attitude Era style slowly phased out and replaced with the Ruthless Aggression era. No longer would the likes of Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock rule the now WWE, instead Triple H ran Raw (with Batista and Randy Orton becoming big stars), Brock Lesnar ruled Smackdown as WWE Champion and John Cena become the new face of the WWE. To me, this was the start of a slide downhill for me that still took all of 14 odd years before I called it quits.

Over the next year or so, Smackdown and Raw had their own titles. WWE had 2 World titles, 2 secondary titles, 2 sets of Tag titles and 2 Womenís titles, as well as a Cruiserweight title. To me, it was too much. Boxing titles mean jack to me as there are 4 or 5 different variants of World titles, WWE having 2 (later 3 with the WWECW World title) wasnít much better. I have always believed, to quote Ric Flair in the lead up to the WWF and WCW titles being unified, Ď1 great company, 1 great championí. Being a brand champion didnít quite seem the same to me.

Then WWE hit me again. PG TV?? After the Attitude Era?? Errrr, no. Iím sorry (actually Iím not), but I want some profanity, blood, safe head shots (Iím aware of concussion issues, there are ways to give the illusion that someone was been smacked in the head with a chair and busted open without actually hitting them in the head and busting them open). I do agree however, with toning down the sexuality, as I believe women can offer more (the days of Sunny, Sable, Terri Runnells, Trish, Lita, Stacy Keibler, Torrie Wilson etc are stored safely in the teenage wank bank) but Iím glad Women are portrayed in a more positive light today. But I need the rest. WWECW was a poor excuse for the original (of which I watched occasionally as a youngster). At this time I almost threw the towel in, until I went to watch it live in Manchester in 2010. It was still poor (especially with Raw now being 3 hours), but seeing it live renewed my interest somewhat.

Then it started to get better. Titles started to be unified, THE ROCK FUCKING RETURNED, CM Punk rose to the top, THE ROCK FUCKING RETURNED, Brock Lesnar came back, THE ROCK FUCKING RETURNED, The Shield and The Wyatts tore it up, THE ROCK FUCKING RETURNEDÖÖand the YES movement happened. But I was most happy when the WWE and World Heavyweight titles were unified. Finally, WWE had one set of titles, they started to mean something again, the rosters were back together, everything was right with the world.

Unfortunately Smackdown was being shat on from a great height. Back in the day, Raw and Smackdown were equal. I used to watch the end of Raw wondering what Stone Cold, Triple H, The Rock etc would be doing 3 days later on Smackdown (I know it was taped the next day). Now Smackdown was just a Raw recap show. Smackdown was blessed if the WWE World Heavyweight champion showed up. The Rock returned to Raw, made 1 maybe 2 appearances on Smackdown, Brock Lesnar the same. WWE didnít have the common sense to write good tv for 2 weekly shows (sometimes not even for Raw) and this lead to the calling for and the return of the Brand Extension.

I watched the draft on Smackdown in July and the Battleground PPV. I then watched the new versions of Raw and Smackdown for a couple of weeks and then stopped. It just didnít entertain me anymore. WWE Universal championship?? FUCK RIGHT OFF. Superb, Kevin Owens is champion. No he isnít, AJ Styles is champion. Kevin Owens is more than good enough to be champion, giving him the Universal title screams to me that WWE think he isnít good enough to be THE champion, he can only be the 1B champion. Hand on heart, if I was a wrestler, I would much rather NEVER be a World champion rather than be a champion with 2 World titles (and tbh, if Vince offered me the Universal Championship, I would politely decline). The brand extension made sense to an extent first time around when we had Austin, Rock, Triple H, NWO, Angle, Jericho, Booker T, RVD, Undertaker, Kane, Big Show, Brock Lesnar, Edge, Randy Orton, Batista, Jeff Hardy etc. Nowadays a roster of Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Kevin Owens, AJ Styles, John Cena, Bray Wyatt, Randy Orton doesnít carry the same clout. The star power isnít there to split the rosters and the new titles mean sod all to me. 19 PPVís a year is too much (and donít get me started on PPVís like Hell In a Cell, TLC etc). Stephanie McMahon needs to go away, she did/does nothing to elevate talent on screen, at least Vince got his comeuppance in the end. The new sets, Talking Smack, new introís etc could have happened without the split. The magic has now gone for me, I will for now keep up to date via spoilers but I will be very surprised if I watch again.

To be honest, I wrote this after a conversation with 2 friends from work who also donít watch now. We listed mostly the same reasons why not to watch (1 of them said he hated backstage segments too where we have to pretend that there isnít a camera intruding in an office or a locker room which upon reflection is dumb television) and I now agree with my girlfriend that wrestling today is rubbish.

I donít know if people will agree, disagree, even both to read but I wrote this as a little closure. My 18 year relationship with wrestling is over. Itís been great but itís time to move on. I wish wrestling the best in itís future endeavours.
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Old 09-29-2016, 07:41 AM
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I understand what you are saying, and can agree with many of your points. I started watching WWF in 1988, when Hulk Hogan and Macho Man were the big stars. Since then, I have seen Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Stone Cold, Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Orton, Lesnar and Cena dominate the WWE main event picture. I really turned off around the WCW invasion angle being botched - both cos I was getting bored of the same old things on programming (See HHH/Vince and Stephanie) and because I had grown up and was more interested in the nightclub scene and University, and women. However, I had always had a soft spot for WWE, and followed it with passing interest. It has only been the past 2 years or so that if you had asked me who the World Champion is, I would not be able to tell you. I think the most recent WWE title change was from Dean Ambrose to Kevin Stien (but I could be totally wrong - and I am not going to google it as it would negate my point). My main reasons for not following as much anymore are as follows - WWE changed around 2001 and I had stopped watching each week as already noted, but I had also kept following wrestling via PowerSlam Magazine in the UK. I purchased this religously from issue 1 in August 1994 and every single month until it closed around 2 years ago. In addition, the product changed and I failed to keep up with who was over and who wasn't so I would be bored of some of the content. Mostly, it was the over-exposure of the McMahon family - such as Vince, Stephanie, Shane, HHH, and then when they removed them from TV, they had people doing the same roles in the same way such as Mick Foley, William Regal, Eric Bischoff, Vicki G, John Laurenitis, the secret GM of Raw/Michael Cole angles. and then came the COO and Authority Angles (with HHH). They were all the same. I must say that Mick Foley was excellent in 2001 as Commissioner and had great chemistry with the stars on tv. I also think Vicki G had some brilliant moments and should be in the HOF for her work on TV for so many years - she was excellent.

But ever since Eric Bischoff and Vince McMahon became the heel CEO/OWNER/Chairman characters around 1997, the angle has been done to death.

When Mick Foley and Daniel Bryan took on these roles earlier this year, I thought the best that could come from this was that the McMahnons would come off TV in these roles. I am not knocking HHH as a wrestler or performer here - he is great. But that storyline has been done to death now. But I had hoped the launch of Smackdown live this year would at least freshen it up - but most weeks Stephanie and Shane are on the shows. It makes you wonder why Foley and Bryan are even on the shows? It defies logic.

That is why I do not even catch up when it is on SKY TV in the UK anymore, I have no interest in the storylines. The other issues I have are that WWE fails to make new stars, they fail to enhance people who are over (Ziggler, Cesaro, Paige et al for a start).

For me, wrestling has passed me by. I think the only wrestlers that still wrestle today that wrestled when I first started watching wrestling around the late 80s are Goldust and Undertaker. Maybe HHH too - but I didn't see him on WCW cos WCW programming was limited in the early 1990s to Central ITV station in the Midlands of the UK and not in the South of the UK.

I saw the lame angle on Twitter this week where Mick Foley said he had to ask Stephanie some questions. This was because after the PPV, she left the arena and got in a Limo with her Husband, the COO of WWE, and gave him a kiss. Like as if there is some conspiracy? My god - it is baffling. The fans know who Stephanie is married too.

If HHH had run in during the main event and hit everyone, including Foley, with a sledgehammer shot or a low blow, then walked out the arena, and the backstage segmant had THEN happened - then it would make sense. It reminds me of (hold back the shudders) the Rikishi ran stone cold over angle where the Rocks DNA had been found in his rental car by Foley the commissioner in the year 2000 - just truly awful.

In addition, the WWE is over-exposed. It has the network, but the pre-programmes on PPVs, the social media discussion groups, 14 PPVS a year at 3 hours long if not longer, 3 hours of mostly boring TV on RAW, lame 2 hours of SD live TV, and then the unique and exciting NXT - they are all over the top and it dilutes the quality of the product. I am sure my children will grow up to love WWE. I am happy to remember it - the history of US wrestling from the days of NWA/WCW/Stampede/WWF/WWE pre-2007. The best days.

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Old 09-29-2016, 09:56 AM
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You seem to compare the current product to that in the late 90's. Fair enough but given that so much has changed, it needs to be viewed on it's own merit.

To compare it to then, its like comparing the current Bulls to the MJ era, and refusing to watch another basketball game because it's not as good.

I too watched wrestling around the same time, I remember the Austin vs Michaels build up with Tyson. Rock turning on Farooq. Great times, but personally feel the matches are so much better now in regards to performance.

Smackdown this week was brilliant. Worth a watch and might change your mind slightly on today's WWE
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:59 AM
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I think this is what separates wrestling fans from wrestling band-wagoners. Go to any YouTube video featuring a WWE clip from 1997 to 2010. It'll have 90,000 comments saying "OMG, these were the days, wrestling sucks dick now." or something to that effect. The band-wagoners hop on board when wrestling was cool, and it featured tits and swearing and blood and misogyny and racism and... Where was I going with this? Oh, yeah, when wrestling was "cool". An actual wrestling fan loves wrestling, not just a certain type of wrestling, not just their idea of what wrestling should be.

It's the same thing you see in any remotely art-based media. Go on to an original movie from the 90s or 80s, and you get "This is when movies were awesome! Not like now when it's just superheroes, sequels and remakes!", or when you go onto a video for 80s or 90s music and you have 14 year olds going "OMG I hate my generation's crappy music! This music is awesome!"

These people aren't really film fans or music fans. They're fans of what they think is being cool. Film fans find movies from every era that they love, because they love film. Same goes for music fans.

My point is that there's no such thing as "Wrestling is awesome now" or "wrestling is terrible now" unless you're a fan of cool wrestling, rather than just wrestling. Don't like Smackdown (which has been superb lately) or Raw? Then why not check out NXT? Or ROH? Or Lucha Underground? New Japan? CMLL? PWG? SHIMMER?

It's because you're not a wrestling fan. You're a fan of wrestling when it's cool. Or rather, WWE when it's cool. And it leaves you unable to see the many merits of today's wrestling scene worldwide.

There's a great quote from footballer Dennis Bergkamp regarding bandwagoners at his club Arsenal:
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And that's something we're finding out about a lot of people who watched during the attitude era, and then quit after it.
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I have a couple of questions.

If you are so over the product, why did you take the time to write a novel to tell people you are done?

And do you honestly think gives half a damn that you are stopping?
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I'm trying to find out were the great talent the AE had is hidden, because outside of Rock, Austin, HHH, Foley, Angle, Taker, Kane, Benoit, Y2J and 3 tag teams just having constant rematches with extreme spots, the rest of the roster was shite. And I'm talking WM 14 to WM 17 here, the actual attitude era.

Pardon me but today's roster is so much bigger and better in ring wise and they are all young. It can only get better from here on. It's just that they're not popular enough.

There's still blood and it occurs when it matters and I kinda want the chair shots back, but I see where they're coming from.

Your only excuse is the fucking creative team, with which I agree with. But dude, I urge you to give the new Smackdown and NXT a try before you quit. RAW is plain boring I get it.

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Also Blade, those who say that 2009-2010 where the best, or 2006 was the best are the worst hahaha. Those were like total crap years.
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To the OP.

Our wrestling time frames are more or less the same (although I returned in 98 after watching from about 92-94 as a kid).
I agree with a lot of what you say especially regarding the titles. it makes me really sad and takes away a lot of the prestige. I really thought we were done with two world titles after the 2013 unification.
Also they'd finally got strong looking tag and women's divisions and then they split them in half!
We're just left with a bunch of titles with no lineage.
Is the title AJ Styles holds the one, Sammartino, Hogan and Austin held?
Are the New Days tag titles the ones Demolition and NOA held?

I still can't walk away fully though. I'm loving the blooding in of all the indie stars and wrestlers I've enjoyed watching in New Japan.


Oh but I must add, Austin > Rock.
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:37 PM
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I think this is what separates wrestling fans from wrestling band-wagoners. Go to any YouTube video featuring a WWE clip from 1997 to 2010. It'll have 90,000 comments saying "OMG, these were the days, wrestling sucks dick now." or something to that effect. The band-wagoners hop on board when wrestling was cool, and it featured tits and swearing and blood and misogyny and racism and... Where was I going with this? Oh, yeah, when wrestling was "cool". An actual wrestling fan loves wrestling, not just a certain type of wrestling, not just their idea of what wrestling should be.

It's the same thing you see in any remotely art-based media. Go on to an original movie from the 90s or 80s, and you get "This is when movies were awesome! Not like now when it's just superheroes, sequels and remakes!", or when you go onto a video for 80s or 90s music and you have 14 year olds going "OMG I hate my generation's crappy music! This music is awesome!"

These people aren't really film fans or music fans. They're fans of what they think is being cool. Film fans find movies from every era that they love, because they love film. Same goes for music fans.

My point is that there's no such thing as "Wrestling is awesome now" or "wrestling is terrible now" unless you're a fan of cool wrestling, rather than just wrestling. Don't like Smackdown (which has been superb lately) or Raw? Then why not check out NXT? Or ROH? Or Lucha Underground? New Japan? CMLL? PWG? SHIMMER?

It's because you're not a wrestling fan. You're a fan of wrestling when it's cool. Or rather, WWE when it's cool. And it leaves you unable to see the many merits of today's wrestling scene worldwide.

There's a great quote from footballer Dennis Bergkamp regarding bandwagoners at his club Arsenal:

And that's something we're finding out about a lot of people who watched during the attitude era, and then quit after it.
I am a fan, just not of todays product. I think 18 years watching promotes me from wrestling band wagoner to wrestling fan. I will still watch old DVD's/clips and relieve the glory days.

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If you are so over the product, why did you take the time to write a novel to tell people you are done?

And do you honestly think gives half a damn that you are stopping?
In response to your first question, please see below the second to last paragraph of my opening post.......

To be honest, I wrote this after a conversation with 2 friends from work who also donít watch now. We listed mostly the same reasons why not to watch (1 of them said he hated backstage segments too where we have to pretend that there isnít a camera intruding in an office or a locker room which upon reflection is dumb television) and I now agree with my girlfriend that wrestling today is rubbish.

To answer the second part, this is a wrestling forum, where we discuss wrestling. And looking at the responses so far I think 1 or 2 people possibly do give half a damn yeah, maybe even 3 quarters of a damn.

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WWE changed around 2001 and I had stopped watching each week as already noted, but I had also kept following wrestling via PowerSlam Magazine in the UK. I purchased this religously from issue 1 in August 1994 and every single month until it closed around 2 years ago. In addition, the product changed and I failed to keep up with who was over and who wasn't so I would be bored of some of the content.
Wow that bring back memories. I used to be one another forum and Stately Wayne Manor, who used to write for Powerslam was a member. We just knew him as "The Stately". Nice guy and used to contribute frequently with good information.

Anyway, on topic to the OP. I used to take a break every once in awhile, my son got me interested again a few years ago. It's not the end of the world to not want to watch, but I've always said once you're a wrestling fan, you will always be one. Some people can't stand the product, others will follow it all the time. There is no middle ground it seems. I'm sure you'll be back at some point down the road. Don't blame you right now though, RAW is hideous, SD is pretty good.
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As a red blooded male, the things I'd do to the likes of Steph, Bliss, Banks and especially Jax aren't for a public forum like this.

If you don't like it anymore, stop watching. Simple. It's far far easier than coming onto a wrestling board and complaining with paragraph after paragraph about why. When the rest of us do like it, and have for decades, why do you think any of us who still follow give a monkeys that you don't??

Quick answer, we don't. You don't like it?? That's cool. Stop watching. People who do like it don't need to hear you bitch and try to explain why you're quitting. You're wasting your time, and so am I by typing this, I just had to point out the futility of coming onto a wrestling board, giving a history then saying your not liking it anymore. It's just daft mate and I for one and I suspect many others just don't give a flying one. Don't like it?? Watch something else.

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