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Old 09-28-2016, 04:51 PM
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Q: "Who is the nicest wrestler and who is the most difficult wrestler to deal with backstage between Scott Hall, Curt Hennig and Scott Steiner; plus maybe "The Total Package" Lex Luger, Jeff Jarrett, Sycho Sid Vicious, "Macho Man" Randy Savage and Rick Steiner?"

When WCW was bought out by the WWF in early 2001, many people were interested in seeing Sting, Goldberg and Ric Flair (respected at the time, years before his personal politicial issues came to light and many people saw through his shenanigans and lavish lifestyle) as guys with pristine personal backstage reputation who could do no wrong in the eyes of WWF management and Vince McMahon.

They were also interested but somewhat leery in bringing back Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash because of their past backstage reps in terms of backstage politics maneuvers and their previous business relationship with Vince McMahon. Hogan may have been under the IWC crossfire, but at least he was the guy who put the WWF and professional wrestling on the television map in 1984, and Nash was different than Hogan. However, Nash is someone who is more cutting edge, edgy and way cooler than Hogan. Hogan's best years were conducive to being a successful top draw for the WWF, whereas Nash's best years were stigmatised with lack of love from anyone other than The Kliq, Vince McMahon and Vince Russo.

WWF had interest in bringing back Scott Hall, Curt Hennig and Scott Steiner but were very leery of all three of them due to their bad reputations in the industry. Hennig more for his past injury problems since 1991, Hall for his alcoholism substance abuse issue since 1998 and Scott Steiner more for being seen as a divisive locker room malcontent/cancer, working for easy money, an attitude problem, someone who does NOT have the best personal reputation backstage, who is never afraid to openly speak his own mind and for being the most difficult to work with in the eyes of WWF and Vincent Kennedy McMahon, and likely because Vince cited the dying days of WCW in 2000-01 as when Scott Steiner's backstage attitude changed for the worst. Maybe Vince thinks Hall and Hennig are nicer than Scott Steiner in Vinnie's opinion.

And of the five of the rest of whom the WWF had absolute ZERO interest in bringing back,
-1) I think Randy Savage was near 50 and in Vince's eyes, Savage burned his bridges with the WWF in late-1994 after being saddled to commentary, yet he was a top babyface WWF draw in '88-'89 while Hogan was away doing No Holds Barred in 1988, but had a knee injury in 1998 that he could simply never recover from, as he not only changed his image and gimmick on his 1999 return, but he was also stiffer on his Flying Elbow Drop finishers to the point that his outside interference spots (at a time when run-ins were frowned upon in the nWo-era WCW) was absolutely necessary to ensure that Savage doesn't wind up stiffing his opponents, like sending Charles Robinson to the hospital with a punctured lung and Evan Karagias with an unknown injury too.
-2) Sid had all the talent in the world to be one of the pro wrestling greats, but his love for softball was his biggest problem, and that's why Sid was cited as an attitude problem malcontent who got into fights with Brian Pillman and Arn Anderson, and took the money and ran.
-3) Lex Luger was a former NFL player for the Green Bay Packers who many peers cited as difficult to work with, and he was actually the first (before The Kliq) wrestler to even have a guaranteed contract with guaranteed money, but nobody gives Lex credit more than they do for Hall and Nash, and fans think Luger (like Sid) wasn't dedicated enough to wrestling after 1991 with the whole Great American Bash '91 ordeal with the whole Jim Herd/Ric Flair debacle, and think he's all solely about the physique, nothing wrong with just showing off your sculptured muscles. Better than going all out in the ring and hurting yourself constantly anyday, yet his peers assumed Luger to be a total malcontent, but not in the way you're obsessed with winning championships, only that Luger was all about the money and didn't care where he was on the card. But the worst of him came in 1999 when he had a relationship with Miss Elizabeth, where he was heavily into drugs around the 1999-2001 time period. That, plus his acriminious departure from the WWF in 1995, Miss Elizabeth's 2003 death and his unimpressive TNA run being cited as reasons why Luger was rumored to have returned to WWE for the Evolution storyline but never signed on again.
-4) Jeff Jarrett's issue was that he's a vagabond wrestler (without Vince Russo's booking) who bounced around back and forth between WWF and WCW before 1998-99 ended with Jarrett holding Vince McMahon up for money on his final day in order to reunite with Russo in WCW, and that's cited as a reason why Jarrett burned his bridges with Vinnie Mac, so when WCW was bought out, Vince refused to bring back Jarrett.
-5) As for Rick Steiner, his value to his wrestling company eroded by 1998 when his brother Scott reinvented himself to become Big Poppa Pump. After that, Rick became messy, unsafe and dangerous to work with in the ring. But after Vince Russo came over to WCW in late 1999, Rick was probably a weekly healthy scratch, and probably lost his love for wrestling to prepare for his impending real estate career and also a job as a school board member of the Cherokee County School District, so he made that a habit to stiff the stuffings out of Lash LeRoux, Konnan and numerous other jobbers when he became a heat vacuum-type of heel exiting his glory days prime years.

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I have never worked with any of your mentioned wrestlers backstage to be able to judge who the nicest or hardest to deal with one is backstage so to that question I have no idea.
Of the ones you mentioned that had burnt their bridges, If they could of made worthwhile money from them and could get them cheap enough I think they would bring anyone back,
If they can bring back names like Bret Hart, Jesse Ventura, Sable, Bruno Sammartino, Ultimate Warrior just to name a few after all their negativity, court cases etc towards WWE then they can bring back anyone.
during that time in 2001 a lot of the names were getting on in age and the WWE roster was quite packed anyway with the ones they did bring in from WCW as well as a few ECW talents and some new talent like Brock, Cena, Orton etc all debuting around this time.
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Like the previous poster said we have no idea personally all we have go on on reputations, stories from other wrestler's, agents, executives etc...and from we saw with our own eyes.

As far as hardest to deal with I would say Scott Hall because you have the substance abuse issue to deal with. The others (Sid, Jarrett, Hennig, Steiner) may have had all their issues as far as backstage politics but Hall's delve into realm of possibly showing up "being in no condition to perform" unless he got his way. Case in point.

WrestleMania 18: Hall was told he was going over in his match against Austin. The day of the PPV (according to Hall and Nash) the finish is reversed and instead it's Stone Cold going over. Hall does the job but proceeds to engage in self-destructive behavior. According to both Hall and Nash, after bring told the finish was being reversed Hall said,"See you at the bar" meaning he was no longer abiding by his 'good boy" contract where he would consume alcohol. The star that broke the camel's back so to speak is the infamous "Plane Ride from Hell" where (according to Justin Credible) Hall has to removed from the plane in a wheelchair because he was so fucked up. Both Bischoff and McMahon have said Hall's substance abuse problems made him impossible to do business with. Bret Hart has called Scott Hall "a malcontent in the dressing room" who spread his unhappiness to other wrestler's. The fact that Vince McMahon didn't try to keep Scott Hall after he was approached by WCW speaks volumes.
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As far as the one he didn't bring back:

Randy Savage. I don't think Savage had any interest in going back to the WWF. The road schedule was still pretty stiff in 2001 and I don't think he wanted any part of that.

Sid: Remember Sid suffered a gruesome injury in 2000 and his career or all intents and purposes was over.

Lex Luger: Like you said, Luger's run as any kind of top draw was pretty much over by 2001 and arguably earlier when he was put into a tag team w/ Bagwell.

Jeff Jarrett: Do we really need to go there?

Rick Steiner: LOL he didn't want Rick Steiner in 1994 he sure as hell wouldn't want him in 2001.
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@Makaveli31 Hall had a 2002 WWF contract in which he would do 10 shows a month and his incentivized good boy contract required him to take Antabuse (a pill that would make him when he's around alcohol). But I think Vince modified Hall's 2002 WWF contract to working 20+ shows a month more than the WM18 finish change that once again set Hall off the wagon leading up to the Plane Ride from Hell incident.

However, I think Hall being granted custody of his two kids meant he had to care for them so he left WWF after returning from the United Kingdom tour representing the Raw brand as part of the nWo alongside Kevin Nash, X-Pac and Big Show.
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Well according to Hall, the contract was never modified it was more like "Well, we're gearing up for WrestleMania we really need you....after WrestleMania it'll revert back to 10 dates.....then it was something else (The Insurrection PPV) etc....and basically Hall ended up working 24 days out of a 30 day month w/ kids at home. So he was fed up with WWE and they were fed up with him by that time. Hall says Jim Ross called him after the "Plane Ride" and said something to the effect of "This isn't working out" and Hall said "How about I was done yesterday."
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We already knew Scott Steiner was on thin ice when he returned to the WWE in late 2002, and Vince probably cited the 2000-01 era of WCW as when Steiner's backstage attitude changed for the worst when he trashed Flair, DDP and Kimberly in shoot promos via live mic. Although ultimately, Steiner's main issue in WWE wound up being plagued with drop foot for his entire WWE run from 2002 to 2004, ending in release and subsequent surgery. I really think Vince and WWE see him as a rebel who has a hard time fitting in to the corporate structure of WWF/E (WWF went public in 1999) and had to play nice backstage in order to have one last shot at a main event run.
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Being the ONLY game in town probably helped too. It was either play ball or go back to the Indy's. Like you said Vince had little tolerance for Steiner's BS (or anyone from WCW for that matter.) Although Steiner did say they wanted him to take a drug test and he said "send the limo w/ HHH and I'll take the test." LOL I don't know how true that is. I have a feeling Steiner took the test w/o HHH.
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And look who's in the Hall of Fame concerning the WCW guys heading into the time WWF already bought out WCW:

Sting, Flair, Hogan, Nash, Hall, Hennig and Savage are now WWE Hall of Famers under the WWE Hall of Fame umbrella because Vince saw them as exceptional performers, so much that Vince was willing to overlook any of their backstage shenanigans.

Vince McMahon would've said "If only Scott Steiner performed exceptionally in 2002-2004 like he did from 1988 to 1994 when he was just Scott Steiner aka Rick's Little Brother rather than that Big Poppa Pump diatribe he became at the end, I could let him get away with his backstage shenanigans if only he hadn't pissed away his wrestling ability and overall career trajectory to steroids and BPP." That's why Vince is never going to induct Scott Steiner, let alone The Steiner Brothers for their wrestling contributions, and it's all because Vince hates a guy who openly expresses his own mind too much in Vince's opinion, look at Bret and Warrior, both of them eventually got inducted to the HoF after they mended the fences on their respective problems with Vince and WWE. I have a feeling Goldberg, Sid, Jarrett and Luger are gonna be the next ones inducted to the WWE Hall of Fame before Scott Steiner ever will, so Vince probably felt Steiner was the most difficult of the lot to deal with, given that Steiner is never afraid to openly speak his own mind, so in Vince's eyes, Steiner is an outspoken divisive voice who Vince sees as a rather controversial, mercurial cancer in the WWE locker room, because (again, in Vince's eyes) at least Hall and Hennig and maybe Luger to some degree are nicer than Scott Steiner.

But in the end, I think Scott Steiner already has a happy ending anyway. He now owns and operates a Shoney's Restaurant franchise in the Georgia state area, and former wrestlers who attended the grand opening ceremony were Rick Steiner, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Buff Bagwell and Jeff Jarrett. Scott's already saved his money after wrestling than Hogan and Flair did, while Hogan and Flair have already struggled financially with Hogan losing a whole heap ton of money from his WWF and WCW days to Linda, while Flair is in even worse with his failed multiple marriages plus the divorce settlements plus spending in bar taverns living his own Four Horsemen-esque Nature Boy lifestyle. We thought Hogan would at least be smarter in saving his money more so than Flair, probably because Hogan at least doesn't get too boozed up on alcohol or shed real tears 24/7 like Flair always did, but Hogan (although not his fault personally) turned out to be just as financially irresponsible as Flair was.

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That's why Vince is never going to induct Scott Steiner.
lol if Koko B Ware can get inducted anybody can, let alone a legit legend like Big Poppa Pump and especially the Steiner bros, sure Scott has pushed that HOF entry back by threatening to kill Hogan to his wife at the airport that one year but mark my words; it WILL happen
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