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Old 08-21-2016, 02:13 PM
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Idk if I'm the only one who thinks this, but I feel like the minute Nakamura debuts on the main roster, he could be immediately placed in the main event.

He is WAY over as evidenced every time he steps into the ring.

What does anyone else think? Could Nakamura or anyone else in NXT right now be someone who can debut and immediately main event?
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Old 08-21-2016, 02:39 PM
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Because of the NXT bias, everyone who debuts from there is instantly at the top of their respective divisions, and that's NOT how it should be. They should debut at the bottom of the main roster. But thanks to Triple H's bias towards his "baby", NXT, wrestlers no longer have to pay their dues. If you were over in the farm league, you're instantly at the top of WWE. It's wrong, but it's the way it is now.
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Old 08-21-2016, 02:52 PM
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Because of the NXT bias, everyone who debuts from there is instantly at the top of their respective divisions, and that's NOT how it should be. They should debut at the bottom of the main roster. But thanks to Triple H's bias towards his "baby", NXT, wrestlers no longer have to pay their dues. If you were over in the farm league, you're instantly at the top of WWE. It's wrong, but it's the way it is now.
I think Shinsuke Nakamura has more than paid his dues. He was in 'developmental' to acclimatise more than anything. You proved you don't know what you are talking about in the comments section in a Nakamura article so I will stop with you.

Honestly he would not look out of place being slotted straight into the main event scene straight away and that is where he belongs 100% I think he can be a bonafide megastar if WWE really got behind him maybe give him a legit manager (not funaki) if needed; his natural charisma and ring work are second to none and should slot in fine with the top dogs in the company.
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:47 PM
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Because of the NXT bias, everyone who debuts from there is instantly at the top of their respective divisions, and that's NOT how it should be. They should debut at the bottom of the main roster. But thanks to Triple H's bias towards his "baby", NXT, wrestlers no longer have to pay their dues. If you were over in the farm league, you're instantly at the top of WWE. It's wrong, but it's the way it is now.
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Seriously dude, you can't believe that. Ask: Neville, Bo Dallas, Sami Zayn, Adam, Rose, Tyler Breeze, Xavier Woods, Big E, the Wyatt's, Ascension, Vaudevillains, Emma and a slew of others how they enjoyed walking in as top stars. Yeah, you can't because they didn't. Some of them haven't really rose through the ranks that much while others were given certain positioning but have run with it, paying their dues and earning their spots. KO, Enzo & Cass and Finn Balor walked in to top tier spots doesn't mean they didn't earn it. Having people like them start at the lower-mid card really dilutes their immediate impact as they leave the doors of Full Sail at the absolute top of the promotion to be featured on Superstars? It's a waste of all the time and money invested and insults the fans that helped make them stars. Agreed, not everyone should get called up in that fashion, but the few mentioned who have and Shinsuke Nakamura are the exceptions.

Shinsuke Nakamura, as mentioned above, is in NXT for polishing and working the WWE tv way. He headlined Wrestle Kingdom w/AJ Styles prior to signing and had ME'd a few of them prior. The man is a draw at the box office and just short of Brock Lesnar may be the easiest to pitch as nearly unstoppable. How do you let him come up anything short of the upper-mid card/ME? At this stage of the game it would be an insult to us watching him do anything short of contend for titles upon his arrival to RAW or SD, with several booking dreams coming true out of the title picture. Say what you want but Nakamura/Cena will be a huge draw sooner than later. Plus, his rematches with Styles & Zayn, maybe even Karl Anderson down the road will be awesome. I am bummed that we may never see him against ADR, that would be a killer match.

To summarize, Nakamura is gonna be a big deal in the immediate future, learn to love it!
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Because of the NXT bias, everyone who debuts from there is instantly at the top of their respective divisions, and that's NOT how it should be. They should debut at the bottom of the main roster. But thanks to Triple H's bias towards his "baby", NXT, wrestlers no longer have to pay their dues. If you were over in the farm league, you're instantly at the top of WWE. It's wrong, but it's the way it is now.
You frequently make these sort of broad, blanket statements when it comes to talent. "Everyone" always does this, "everyone" always does that, "everyone" always goes over top stars, etc. and it's just not how it is. Adam Rose, the Vaudevillains, Tyler Breeze, Baron Corbin, Apollo Crews, Neville, Mojo Rawley, and the Ascension are all wrestlers who aren't exactly at the top of the roster. Some of them are little more than jobbers at this point. They gave Kalisto a shot as United States Champion and it didn't work, so he's no longer in the title picture. Sami Zayn has been on the main roster since the Royal Rumble and he's firmly established in the mid-card but hasn't won a title. Kevin Owens has been on the main roster for over a year and hasn't really challenged for the World Championship yet.

Working in NXT is part of paying your dues. Most of the talent in NXT has to spend a significant amount of time there fine tuning themselves where WWE officials feel they need it. Others, like Kevin Owens for instance, aren't there long because they feel that he didn't need the time there and that there was money to be made with him. I mentioned Sami Zayn earlier, he's still paying dues a bit on the main roster so they can assess how they think he'll hold up in the long run, given that he was out injured for the entire second half of 2015. Dean Ambrose spent about a year and a half in NXT before being brought up while Rollins spent about 2 years. A lot of these wrestlers spent 7 to 10 years, sometimes more, working the indie scene or in Japan before coming to NXT and, eventually, the main roster so the vast majority of these men have most certainly paid their dues.

As far as Nakamura goes, I'm sure there'll be a push among internet fans and dirt sheet writers especially for him to be in the main event and that's fine with me. If someone has the talent, the work ethic and a genuine love of the job, then I've got no real problem seeing them as a main eventer quickly rather than waiting a few years. If you think WWE is the only company that does this, you're sadly mistaken. For many years, TNA was built around former WWE and WCW stars, guys who hadn't busted their asses for the company the way the "TNA originals" had done, instead of using these major stars to help build up younger ones, despite that these older stars were mostly over the hill. When AJ Styles left TNA and went to New Japan, he didn't "pay his dues" in New Japan, he was elevated straight to the top of the roster because New Japan thought they could make a lot of money with Styles in that spot and they were right. Nakamura isn't someone that's spent the last 10 years wrestling in high school gyms or bingo halls in front of 50 people a night; he's been a major player in the 2nd largest wrestling company in the world for more than a decade.
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Old 08-21-2016, 03:52 PM
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The problem is, Heyman is the only mouth piece in the WWE worth a damn, everyone else sucks and doesn't even come close, and Nakamura would not go well with Heyman because Heyman is a natural heel and might overshadow Nakamura with his long-winded promos while Nakamura just stands there... awkwardly. However, to be at the top, Nakamura DOES need a mouth piece, because of media appearances and whatnot, it's a tough situation.

Maybe Daniel Bryan could advocate for Shinsuke? He's gotten pretty good on the microphone and the two men have history, the problem is, Bryan is still over himself and he and Nakamura would be competing for pops. I can't think of a GREAT, face mouth piece that wouldn't cramp Nakamura's style, and would talk just enough to get the message across.

I'd say maybe Nakamura doesn't need a mouth piece, and his limited English is enough, but again, to succeed in WWE you do, from communicating with McMahon to all the office people, the Godawful writers, and again, outside appearances.

But yeah, no f'n Funaki, first, because he hardly speaks English better and second, because he's a Goddamn joke of a scrub and comedy act.

Actually, with his style and charisma, maybe a face female mouth piece wouldn't be bad with Nakamura, like a face Alexa Bliss? I like her promo delivery and she's the type of heel fans don't hate, she's just labeled a heel for being mean but one could turn her on a dime.
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Because of the NXT bias, everyone who debuts from there is instantly at the top of their respective divisions, and that's NOT how it should be. They should debut at the bottom of the main roster. But thanks to Triple H's bias towards his "baby", NXT, wrestlers no longer have to pay their dues. If you were over in the farm league, you're instantly at the top of WWE. It's wrong, but it's the way it is now.
I'm in the middle. I honestly think the idea of Nakamura debuting in the main event is ridiculous and was completely shocked to see it happen to Balor, but to say that all NXT guys should immediately enter at the bottom of the main event is both wrong and unfair to the talent.

While NXT might be "developmental" there are plenty of veterans on the show that have been successful in the business well before the homegrown guys who are currently on the main roster. To say Ryder is a better wrestler than Bobby Roode because he's on RAW and Roode is on NXT is both an incorrect and ignorant statement, so I would stay away from generalizing the two brands like that.

As for Nakamura, I like him and love his theme (I attended NXT Takevoer last night and can be seen behind the violinist during his theme, it was awesome) but there is literally no way I can see him as 'The Guy' in all of WWE right now. WWE has become such a global phenomenon, an entity that Vince wants to be so in tune with pop culture that the mere idea of seeing Nakamura on Conan O'Brien or live on The View is laughable at best. I think the IWC always seems to forget that there's more to WWE than just pure wrestling/in ring action, and while they're catering more to these fans they still have to also stroke Vince's ego. Only the complete package gets to reach the mountaintop, and in WWE the guys who are 8-10 out of 10 on the mic and 5-7 out of 10 in the ring seem to get more shine than vice versa (looking at you Miz).

You can try to convince me or yourself all you want that Nakamura is the most charismatic guy in the world and a megastar but the fact remains he is not the complete package and he can barely speak the English language. There's a reason why Japanese born wrestlers have traditionally struggled to succeed in WWE, and while Nakamura has broken a lot of those barriers I don't think he has what it takes at this point in time to just come up to RAW and be the man. I'm not saying he won't eventually be able to do it, but I definitely don't see him doing it in the near future.
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The problem is, Heyman is the only mouth piece in the WWE worth a damn, everyone else sucks and doesn't even come close, and Nakamura would not go well with Heyman because Heyman is a natural heel and might overshadow Nakamura with his long-winded promos while Nakamura just stands there... awkwardly. However, to be at the top, Nakamura DOES need a mouth piece, because of media appearances and whatnot, it's a tough situation.

Maybe Daniel Bryan could advocate for Shinsuke? He's gotten pretty good on the microphone and the two men have history, the problem is, Bryan is still over himself and he and Nakamura would be competing for pops. I can't think of a GREAT, face mouth piece that wouldn't cramp Nakamura's style, and would talk just enough to get the message across.

I'd say maybe Nakamura doesn't need a mouth piece, and his limited English is enough, but again, to succeed in WWE you do, from communicating with McMahon to all the office people, the Godawful writers, and again, outside appearances.

But yeah, no f'n Funaki, first, because he hardly speaks English better and second, because he's a Goddamn joke of a scrub and comedy act.

Actually, with his style and charisma, maybe a face female mouth piece wouldn't be bad with Nakamura, like a face Alexa Bliss? I like her promo delivery and she's the type of heel fans don't hate, she's just labeled a heel for being mean but one could turn her on a dime.
Perhaps if Nakamura was John Cena S-Rank star, but he won't be. He'll just be a big star and doesn't need a mouthpiece to succeed in that spot. The last thing you want do to with a guy who oozes charisma like Shinsuke is to have someone else speak for him all the time. Besides, his English is quite good. He can have conversations without much trouble and always gets his point across clearly. I also think his unique speaking style actually adds to the flamboyance of his character.

Shinksuke will almost assuredly be a top star. He's among the very few to have that "It" factor. He's alluring, he's entertaining, he's funny, and he's a killer in the ring. It'll take one appearance on the main roster and he'll be over and I'm not exaggerating. He's that magnetic.

I'd personally book him the way they have in NXT: have him run through a few guys for several months before challenging for the World Title. That way fans can acclimate to him and actually want to see him in the top spot. But regardless, Nakamura is pretty much a made man in my book.
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He is a fantastic Wrestler. But what's more, he has a fantastic entrance theme... Just kidding.

That said, I wasn't disappointed to see him win the NXT Championship last night. He's done very well since he came to NXT and has a slew of fantastic matches with other fantastic wrestlers. In terms of pure wrestling ability, he is close to the top on the list of WWE talents. But I just worry about his credentials when he eventually makes the move to the main roster, which will happen. The lack of fluent English, even though it shouldn't, worries me that he is isn't going to translate and that he will be lost in the mid card.

That said, the WWE seem more willing than ever to give some people out of NXT a bit of time on their TV shows to have good matches and that has only been helped by the brand extension. The likes of Owens, Zayn and Balor have shown that they will go out and entertain the masses if you give them the time to do it on TV and PPV. I am glad to say that the WWE have been accomplishing that lately and that, with that in mind, Nakamura will have no problem winning people over with his sheer talent in the ring.
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Because of the NXT bias, everyone who debuts from there is instantly at the top of their respective divisions, and that's NOT how it should be. They should debut at the bottom of the main roster. But thanks to Triple H's bias towards his "baby", NXT, wrestlers no longer have to pay their dues. If you were over in the farm league, you're instantly at the top of WWE. It's wrong, but it's the way it is now.
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#1 being in NXT for over a year or two before heading to the main roster is paying your dues. Guys like Samoa Joe, Finn Balor, Kevin Owens all have years of experience and being in the NXT roster means they are willing to work in a developmental territory for a few more years to learn a lot more before jumping the main roster.

#2 How does that explain AJ Styles?
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