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Old 05-31-2016, 01:49 AM
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I haven't watched Raw yet but read the results.

John Cena returned on Raw last night and was confronted by AJ Styles who basically sucked up to him, only to turn on him moments later, leading into a three-on-one beatdown at the hands of "The Club".

I only read this and yet I was really shocked and amazed when I visualized it. One moment, I felt like "Jesus Christ. Did they sign AJ Styles just so he could be a parrot for Vince McMahon and put Roman Reigns and John Cena over and eulogize them?", I was really disgusted. Another moment, I was shocked and pleased.

Obviously, even though John Cena is the "face" here, and Styles and the Club are heels, they're still liable to be cheered and applauded.

One had expected(at least I had) John Cena to immediately confront Rusev upon his return and reignite their feud(LAME) ultimately resulting in nothing but vanity(as most Cena feuds do, Ask Bray Wyatt), and AJ Styles to be just "meh".

We had all wondered if the WWE creative was really so lousy as to have them separated on Raw, without any coalition, conflict and dissent, ever. But thankfully for us, the Club had been together all along and they're now like a hungry pack of Wolves waiting to tear anybody who gets in their way apart, especially John Cena.

I couldn't have asked for anything better- this will be an exciting story. The Roman Reigns-Seth Rollins thing seems to be utterly boring considering both Rollins and Reigns are booed. Probably, Cena-Styles/Club will be the feud that redeems the months of dreary TV ahead.

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Old 05-31-2016, 02:31 AM
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Vince McMahon has to have one heel vs one face. Rarely he likes heel vs heel or face vs face. So turning Cena heel right now is not an option. Only option left is to make A.J Styles the heel in this feud. I think it's going to be a hell of a match/feud between these two.
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Old 05-31-2016, 07:02 AM
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It was a sweet little gem of a swerve as nobody really saw it coming. I found myself hoping that Styles would waffle Cena in order to make things interesting, but I didn't really expect it. After all, Styles has been sorta the stand up, stand on my own two feet, nice guy while Pastor Cena was in the middle of the ring bringing the sermon about Memorial Day so I didn't think it'd happen but I was gratified when it did. My only problem was JBL's response afterward in which he chastised Styles for his actions due to him pissing all over Cena's patriotic gesture; if you're gonna be a fucking heel commentator, then be a heel commentator when something that's actually heelish, like this or Charlotte dumping her old man, takes place. Of course, I don't blame JBL as he's only Vince's parrot and I just wish Vince would strop trying to teach little morality lessons and let the heels be heels.

At any rate, now the big problem is simply this: Are they going to sacrifice AJ Styles upon the altar of John Cena? Generally speaking, Cena has only come out on the losing effort for about 2 programs in WWE over the past decade or so: against CM Punk back in 2011 and against Brock Lesnar. As a result, the odds of Styles coming out the "winner" of this program aren't very good at all. Truth be told, the odds of Styles coming out with a clean, decisive win without the help of Gallows & Anderson aren't all that good because of Vince's obsession with protecting John Cena to the detriment of everything else. It's obvious that these two will meet for the first time at Money in the Bank and, if so, I think Styles needs to score the win and score the win on his own. Have him cheat his ass off if they want, but let him score the win without interference from his boys Gallows & Anderson.
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My first thought was why turn one of your hottest (if not the hottest) babyfaces heel. This along with WWE's stubborn decision to keep Seth Rollins heel have left me scratching my head a little bit. I suppose in a way it doesn't really matter when you are facing John Cena as Styles will most likely still receive a face reaction from the crowd.
In another way it does make sense as WWE is seriously thin on top heels and AJ has proved in NJPW and elsewhere that he can fill that spot and as a full turn for Roman Reigns and John Cena isn't on the cards (at least for the moment) Styles is a good option.
Recently I had expected that Cena's return feud would be alongside Styles vs. The Club. I had discounted a Cena vs. Rusev feud as Rusev had not been built up enough to face Cena (and to be honest their last feud did neither man any favours) and doubted John would be included in MITB as given the nature of his recent injury putting him in a high risk match, even with limiting his spots/involvement, wouldn't be the brightest idea.
A tag match alongside Styles seemed a good call and would have been a pretty good all round situation for all. My only worry with a straight Styles/Cena match (probably at MITB) is that Styles has lost 3 PPV matches in a row now and really needs a win and against Cena that isn't likely.
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At any rate, now the big problem is simply this: Are they going to sacrifice AJ Styles upon the altar of John Cena? Generally speaking, Cena has only come out on the losing effort for about 2 programs in WWE over the past decade or so: against CM Punk back in 2011 and against Brock Lesnar. As a result, the odds of Styles coming out the "winner" of this program aren't very good at all. Truth be told, the odds of Styles coming out with a clean, decisive win without the help of Gallows & Anderson aren't all that good because of Vince's obsession with protecting John Cena to the detriment of everything else. It's obvious that these two will meet for the first time at Money in the Bank and, if so, I think Styles needs to score the win and score the win on his own. Have him cheat his ass off if they want, but let him score the win without interference from his boys Gallows & Anderson.
That's what I'm worried about as well. Styles has way to much going for him to be another notch on Cena's belt. But the silver lining to all this might be that McMahon has seen what happens when the main event goes down, having one star is just not enough.

Also if the reports can be believed, Cena might be taking another break to film a second season of American Grit, if the network picks it up again. So having Cena come back, run through the roster and then leave again, does nobody any favours.

Cena is also at that point in his career where he doesn't need to win every feud anymore, as if he ever did. Last night showed the fans can get into it with the dueling Styles/Cena chants, that was epic, and it not always has to be negative. Finally the fans have someone to cheer for, let them cheer, let Cena lose this feud it's not going to hurt his legacy. Won't even put a dent in his armour.
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Styles as a heel will be just fine, maybe he wins with Gallows/Anderson interference, then Cena takes the 2nd bout then Styles wins the third meeting clean. That would mean we've got to assume creative like the idea but Cena is still the Big Man to Beat.

Styles is savvy, he won't have joined WWE unless it'd benefit his career. He's succeeded in RoH, PWG, TNA and NJPW as well as countless others, hes well known enough to the casual and mark and I *hope* he'll end up going over.
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It really didn't need to be this way. The crowd was stoked by the idea of these two battling without the storyline or heel turn attached to it. Now we are stuck with the stupid 'Just Club'.

AJ turning heel makes little sense. Why all the drama with the chairs and The Club when going for the title but now he can easily take out Cena with no remorse? Why not turn all that attention back on Reigns and get back in the title scene if he is such a loathesome human being? I know Cena is the end all be all of wrestling but it certainly didn't have to go down like this. Both guys could have met as faces and entertained without damaging AJ's character.

And are they really kicking this off at MitB? I would have thought this was important enough to have their initial match at SS. Plus how can Cena lose here in the long run. AJ can't win. He just had a title feud with Reigns. Is he going to win a feud with Cena and then go back to the title scene with Reigns? It is way too soon for that. The only option would be AJ beating Cena and moving on to Lesnar. Then again, I could live with that.

Overall, while I'm happy to get Cena and AJ, I don't think it needs to be like this. Between the heel turn, the reformation of the 'Abridged Club', and the timing this just feels like Cena Feud 1.0 where he is the victim and working against the odds (because there are three of them ) that was only set up because despite the TV show and injury he has already laid waste to everyone else on the roster who isn't completely green.
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Why all the drama with the chairs and The Club when going for the title but now he can easily take out Cena with no remorse?

No, this actually makes perfect sense. His 'humility' held him back with Reigns. And due to the outcome, he's realized that you've gotta do 'whatever it takes' to succeed. Now he's holding nothing back.
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My only problem was JBL's response afterward in which he chastised Styles for his actions due to him pissing all over Cena's patriotic gesture; if you're gonna be a fucking heel commentator, then be a heel commentator when something that's actually heelish, like this or Charlotte dumping her old man, takes place. Of course, I don't blame JBL as he's only Vince's parrot and I just wish Vince would strop trying to teach little morality lessons and let the heels be heels.
Exactly what I thought earlier. But again, I realized that most of the times it's Vince Mcmahon's thoughts that are embodied in the voice of JBL, who quite frankly is the most uncompromisingly atrocious and unendurable color commentator in pro wrestling today.

I wish they understood the concept of a heel commentator whose job is to most of the times support heels over faces, and in JBL's case, oppose Michael Cole and Byron Saxton in their disapproval of Charlotte, and not chastise her.

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At any rate, now the big problem is simply this: Are they going to sacrifice AJ Styles upon the altar of John Cena? Generally speaking, Cena has only come out on the losing effort for about 2 programs in WWE over the past decade or so: against CM Punk back in 2011 and against Brock Lesnar. As a result, the odds of Styles coming out the "winner" of this program aren't very good at all. Truth be told, the odds of Styles coming out with a clean, decisive win without the help of Gallows & Anderson aren't all that good because of Vince's obsession with protecting John Cena to the detriment of everything else. It's obvious that these two will meet for the first time at Money in the Bank and, if so, I think Styles needs to score the win and score the win on his own. Have him cheat his ass off if they want, but let him score the win without interference from his boys Gallows & Anderson.
It's set in stone. It's going to be the same old John Cena we have been watching for years. It's the very typical and basic John Cena feud where he will basically proclaim the same things he did with Rusev, The Shield, Bray Wyatt, and others. "You are talented but you have become morally corrupt. You can't beat me one on one. You need backup. I will never give up. I live for honour, virtue, respect, blah blah blah". The End.

I'm actually not that excited about this feud anymore. How can one be, when John Cena is destined to look like a hero, win the feud, and basically repeat what he has been saying for years?
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I'm psyched for this program but I can see how it'll be booked from a mile away, too.

Their first match will likely be at Money in the Bank, I don't see how else they can stretch it to the following PPV, A.J and Cena have no alternative options.

Styles will win the first match (like Owens won the first of three in his program with Cena which also began at Money in the Bank if I'm not mistaken.) Leading to Money in the Bank, A.J will be the defined heel but still use the Club for beat downs on Cena and the promos will likely revolve around A.J not coming into WWE sooner due to Cena hogging the spotlight or something. Essentially, A.J will say he was the man somewhere else (of course he won't mention TNA) while Cena was the man over here.

After Money in the Bank, what's the next PPV? They'll have a rematch, and Cena will win that one, for sure. Cena will lose the first because A) despite what people say, he's a class act and is happy to put over guys he likes/sees potential in (Bryan, Owens, etc.) B) Cena JUST came back from injury, the man is pushing 40 if not that already and knows his time is nearing, he knows and Vince knows he doesn't need to win. C) A.J is 1/5 on PPV. He lost at the Rumble, he won at Fast Lane, then went on to lose at Wrestlemania, Payback, and Extreme Rules in succession, so he needs a win.

The rematch, Cena will win for sure. After that, it depends if WWE wants to make their feud a series of 3 like Owens or longer if the program catches fire, or it might even just stay at 2 for now to keep both men equal, I don't know, but I do see it culminating in a third match at Summerlam. You can be sure Cena would win the final match though, barring some insane twist/debut/interference.
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