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Old 03-10-2016, 11:36 AM
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Wrestling Observer Newsletter has reported that Vince is not really a big fan of NXT. He doesn't see the wrestlers as 'stars' who could make money for him.

He might be right after all. Almost all NXT superstars have failed miserably once they joined the main roster. The Ascension, Adam Rose, Tyler Breeze, Bo Dallas, most of the Divas, all have failed to make a mark.

Only some like Kevin Owens, Neville, Rusev and maybe Sami Zayn have made it past the line of obscurity.

Is it the lack of charisma, or are these a bunch of talented guys made horrible due to bad booking.?

What do you guys think.?
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If the story is true then he needs to look at his booking team.

Neville & Owens have been a success more so because of their wrestling ability, Rusev was a badass heel with an unbeaten streak for a while.

The Ascension, Adam Rose, Bo Dallas, Tyler Breeze have all had terrible gimmicks.

Instead of writing promos for the roster, give them some independence and let them freestyle a bit on their characters.

I suppose Vince and WWE need to decide if NXT is going to be a feeder program for the main roster or if they want NXT to establish itself as a kind of alternative to ROH, TNA & independents by chewing up their talent.
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While I might be wrong, I think this report is bullshit because if it were true, Vince has the power to make whatever changes to NXT he wants. He could move Triple H out of being head of WWE developmental and talent relations, he could make all the creative calls for NXT just as he does for the main roster and, of course, he always has the final say on who gets signed and who doesn't. Triple H has a lot of power and influence, but it ultimately comes down to Vince's decisions. Vince has ultimately allowed Triple H to run NXT the way he wishes, but he could step in at any given time to make any sort of changes that he wants.

As for the guys from NXT who haven't made it, I think it's a combination of things. For one thing, and I don't know where this came from, there's this prevailing notion some fans have that coming to the main roster from NXT guarantees that you're going to be a big star on the roster. That's not true whatsoever, never has been true nor will it ever be true no matter how WWE's developmental program is set up. Some of the wrestlers probably aren't moneymakers. I mean, Curtis Axel, Adam Rose and Tyler Breeze are examples of wrestlers who do have talent, but they're also saddled with very limited gimmicks. In the case of Axel & Rose, I just don't see a whole lot of greatness there and never really did personally. As for Breeze, his gimmick is essentially an updated version of the model gimmick Rick Martel used during the 80s and into part of the 90s; plus, there are rumors that Breeze already has some heat because he left a show early for no particular reason. I don't know if it's true, but that's the story. As for the Ascension, they were fine in NXT but they were brought up to the main roster and saddled with a gimmick that was doomed from the moment they arrived: they were essentially booked as a poor man's version of the Road Warriors. They're a good, solid tag team but it was obvious that they had little chance of succeeding without an overhaul because it just wasn't happening with the tweaks that were made to them once they got to the main roster. I've pointed out lots of times that the major differences between NXT and the main roster in terms of the overall quality of the product lie in the creative process as Triple H & Vince have two very different mind sets when it comes to creative decisions. Now, that's not to say that Trips can do no wrong or any garbage like that. He makes decisions that turn out to be wrong in the long run on storylines, angles, who gets pushed, etc. just as any other booker does and, again, as I alluded to, that means that not every wrestler from NXT who comes to the main roster is going to be a major star.

The Divas haven't made much of an impact? Now, I have to call bunk on that because Charlotte, Becky and Sasha are all three over with fans, all three can work well inside the ring, all have developed their own personalities, etc. I admit that I think Charlotte could do more than just be Ric Flair's daughter, but I'm not at all surprised Vince went in that direction because it was just the easiest. Becky has really come along well over the last few months as a straight up babyface while Sasha is great as a heel or tweener with fans just being really into her work. Also, you forgot to mention guys like Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose as guys who've made a pretty big splash in WWE, Kalisto is the reigning United States Champion, Big E & Xavier Woods are two-thirds of the WWE Tag Team Champions.

I think if there's anything Vince isn't a fan of, it's that so many people say that the NXT product is better than the main roster product. Last year, during one of NXT's first touring shows outside of Orlando, I think it was in California in front of roughly 5,000 fans, a story stated that Vince was backstage watching and was having a great time until fans started chanting "better than 'Mania" and "better than Raw" chants at various times. The report alleged that this put Vince in a pretty sour mood but that he otherwise enjoyed the show.
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Vince is a fan of drawing money.

NXT draws money. Lots of it. They are the company that is the alternative to the main roster. And it is for THAT reason that some gimmicks just don't fly.

The Ascension and Tyler Breeze's gimmicks are quite far fetched but the booking of these particular talents in NXT allowed you to suspend your disbelief enough to believe in them. On the main roster, with no introduction or decent booking, the Ascension were a poor man's Road Warriors, and Tyler Breeze was set up to fail due to his similar look to his first real opponent in Dolph Ziggler. From then on, he was too animated.

Same with Adam Rose. They should have stayed with the Kruger gimmick.

The reason guys like the Shield were over is because of how they were presented, and ultimately that is the defining factor.

Vince doesn't have to like NXT but the bottom line is that guys like Owens and Zayn are getting over on their own merit and will make Vince money. As long as that keeps happening, it won't matter.
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3 of the 4 matches currently booked for WrestleMania comprise of NXT graduates. But even if you ignore that, the fact that NXT is being made bigger consistently means that it seems incredibly unlikely that Vince thinks it's a waste of time. Yeah, loads of people flop when they go to the main roster, but that happens in wrestling. Wrestlers flop all the time - only the very best are guaranteed to succeed, and for the rest you need a lot of luck, that unfortunately those mentioned haven't had.
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It's probably fair to say Vince doesn't see the entire NXT roster as main event main roster talent, but a lot of them probably aren't. Like JH said, being an NXT star and moving up to the main roster doesn't automatically mean you're going to be a massive star.

Most of these NXT call-ups do fine in NXT, a smaller environment with far fewer fans to connect with. Then they flop on the main roster, because they're let out of the proverbial bag and swim out into the sea. It's also worth noting that most of the flops have been (correct me if I'm wrong) WWEPC talent, and haven't built up a name for themselves on the Indy scene first.

I think this goes to show that NXT alone isn't enough to pick up the skills you need to really get over in front of a main roster WWE crowd (with exception of course to Roman Reigns). I imagine that's what Vince isn't a fan of.
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He might be right after all. Almost all NXT superstars have failed miserably once they joined the main roster. The Ascension, Adam Rose, Tyler Breeze, Bo Dallas, most of the Divas, all have failed to make a mark.

Only some like Kevin Owens, Neville, Rusev and maybe Sami Zayn have made it past the line of obscurity.

Is it the lack of charisma, or are these a bunch of talented guys made horrible due to bad booking.?

What do you guys think.?
The "only" pile is a pretty good list considering the spots in the main roster is limited. Also you forgot to mention the women that came from NXT.

Sure there's going to be a lot of guys that's never going to make the main roster but imagine this as NXT as the AHL to the NHL, it's a league to develop upcoming prospects and newcomers so that they can eventually become stars. Not everyone's going to make it but you still need to have that system for the ones that do.
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This is the kind of report you dream up when you're mining for clicks online. Vince hates NXT is the kind of thing that the majority internet fans will click on without hesitation. Sounds like outrage porn pandering to the fears of the vocal majority.

Like Jackhammer said, Vince ultimately controls NXT, and if he didn't like it he could change it. Would Vince get upset about NXT producing a lot of jobbers? Sure, but it's also been a big factor in most of his PPV main events since The Shield debuted. Rollins, Reigns, and Ambrose in some combo were in basically every PPV main event in 2015.

Ambrose and Reigns had blink and you'll miss them NXT runs, but Rollins was the posterboy for that brand. Big E and Xavier Woods were NXT guys. Owens has been a pretty resounding success. Kalisto appears to be their future Latino star. Zayn has only just begun. Rusev and Wyatt have done ok. Neville has took their attempts to place him in a Mighty Mouse gimmick and ran with it.

The guys that have flopped have been the ones that have had their gimmicks altered or been used as enhancement talents. Leo Kruger was changed into Adam Rose just before the main roster. The Ascension were told to bash legends and look like discount Road Warriors. Bo Dallas became the new Heath Slater - arrive, be annoying, get run down, take a finisher, stumble to the back. Breeze was never pushed at all.

WWE needs enchantment talents, or jobbers if you will. NXT has created just as many upper card success stories as it has lower card guys. Social Outcasts are one the funniest groups in WWE made up of mostly NXT guys, I personally love it when they come out to lose.

I call BS on this report. If there's any truth to it, it's Vince bitching that it hasn't produced any of those once in a lifetime talents like a Rock, Austin, Taker, or a Lesnar. But how can it? Guys like that come along as they are. If he was unhappy he'd kill it, he'd change it, he wouldn't promote its head writer to the main roster or allow it to continue to develop talent in the way it has.
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3 of the 4 matches currently booked for WrestleMania comprise of NXT graduates. But even if you ignore that, the fact that NXT is being made bigger consistently means that it seems incredibly unlikely that Vince thinks it's a waste of time. Yeah, loads of people flop when they go to the main roster, but that happens in wrestling. Wrestlers flop all the time - only the very best are guaranteed to succeed, and for the rest you need a lot of luck, that unfortunately those mentioned haven't had.
Oh, not to mention them booking major buildings for the Takeover Specials now as well?

Exactly. This is what I like to call Internet "reporters" making 2+2 = 10


"well some NXT guys didn't work out, and NXT is different, so obviously Vince hates it. "


Sure, sure thing. For being "smart" many of you are insanely fucking gullible. I wouldn't be shocked if this was actually leaked to throw more gas on NXT as the "alternative" (see also; ANTI) to the WWE.
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While publicly HHH will say Vince loves NXT, the internal perception is very different, seeing it as a touring brand filled with so many guys Vince doesn’t believe are money. We do know there was a lot of heat on HHH and complaints for not selling the Reigns beating in public, because he had to get his face on the NXT show in London knowing it would be a super show in front of that crowd and he didn’t want anyone to not know it was his creation and baby. The questions regarding Reigns given how he’s not gotten over with HHH as his adversary for so long has led to plenty of finger pointing, although a lot of people pointed to the crotch chop on Raw as the sign HHH is no longer really behind the cause of getting Reigns over as a face. Perhaps that’s just paranoia and frustration, but the way Reigns was eliminated at the Rumble and the HHH/Reigns interaction with him has been curious to say the least. However, the one point that everyone talks about is the treatment of Breeze on the main roster. It created an issue that a lot of NXT talent, while the goal is the main roster and the money on the main roster, they are loving it in NXT, and they see Breeze as someone who was an NXT star who was ready to be a WWE star and then got treated the way he did. It led to a lot of questions regarding whether people wanted to be brought up. Don’t get me wrong, people do because the money difference is huge, but there’s also the feeling that NXT is really fun and the main roster is the culmination of a lifelong dream but very frustrating. In particular there was the heat because of the timing of the “Breaking Ground” show on the network where they made it such a big deal how Breeze was moving to the main roster, and that by the time that segment aired, he was getting buried like a job guy on the main roster.


From a public standpoint, Vince, on HHH, said in an Orlando Sentinel interview, “He’s done so well. I’m so proud of him, not just the years he’s spent in the ring and I don’t know how many more year that’s going to last. This may be his last WrestleMania. I don’t know. He’s a little long in the tooth as I say to his face and we all laugh about that now because I’m 70 years old. Nevertheless, corporately the growth over the last two years has been exponential and Stephanie’s part has been even more of a meteoric rise. What she does in terms of representing the brand, no one can represent the brand in all aspects, in all facets of our business, and she fits everywhere. Talk about an ambassador. She’s obviously beyond an ambassador and her growth corporately has been great. On Shane: “Whether or not there’s a corporate place, we’ll wait and see. From a performer standpoint, I so enjoy performing with him. And when the three of us are out there, Stephanie and Shane and me, and throw in Paul because that has happened in the past, oh my God. We could say out there and entertain each other, much less the audience, for an hour. It would be easy. It’s just so much fun because we can ad lib and entertain ourselves. I think if you are entertaining yourselves and you’re having fun that projects and the audience is having fun with you.
How bizzare. That doesn't sound at all like "Vince hates NXT". More like "Vince is stubborn and puts physique above all else while Triple H is more open-minded."

It's his developmental field. He knows he needs to fill his roster and NXT is the only place to grow talent. Only an idiot would think Vince has anything outside of slight jealousy for his protege being ahead of the curve. Read the interview. He knows his time is coming. Why would he hate what his handpicked successor created as practice? Because people that called up get buried? Yeah, because the people that came from FCW are doing so much better, right?
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