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Old 02-14-2016, 12:19 PM
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We're three episodes in so far, and I'm eager to discuss the season as it continues with other "believers". Hey, I hate being a branded fan, but I like it more than being referred to as a Universe.

If you've been caught kpgreece's thread (seen here), you may have heard me bitch ad naseum about the lighting design. I'm afraid this feud continues, and reached a boiling point this week. Admittedly, I've been watching it on dailymotion, so perhaps it's airing in a better quality. However, this week, the lighting robbed fans of amazing footage! While Fenix vs King Cuerno's Last Man Standing is far from my favorite match in the season (their first outing was much better), everything outside of the ring was shrouded. Cuerno's "Arrow" is the absolute best suicide dive I've ever seen, and he hit it from around the turnbuckle, and I feel like I missed it despite keeping my eyes on the screen the whole time. A second missed image was Fenix's atop Catrina's office. There he stood, victorious, staring across the temple at Mil Muertes, who is selling the outcome of the match in his own right. These two arguably have the most storied rivalry on the show, and you can't tell a damn thing because of the lighting. I'm sorry, but it's driving me mad.

Now, in regards to production value, I also have to give a shout out to the finish of the Last Man Standing match. I absolutely loved how the editing team handled counts 6 through 10 after Cuerno crashed through the table. Quick cuts to the audience, to Fenix, To Cuerno, to Mil. Reminded me of some Kung Fu cinema. Awesome!

As if Jim Cornette couldn't hate this show any more, Joey Ryan shows up. As a television audience for the show, we've always had a unique limited omniscient point of view. We know things that the live audience, even the announcers, don't know. This storyline is going to be very different, though. As revealed after the credits Cortez Castro has been an undercover cop trying to bring down Dario Cuerto. His captain, displeased with his progress, is now sending his partner Joey Ryan into the temple to speed up the investigation, and the two are to mock a feud. I'll admit, this borderlines on cringe and camp, but there is room for that on this show. As far as Joey himself goes, I'm excited to see him going forward. I just hope that there's no YouPorn Plex used. It was funny once. Once.

Speaking of camp, I laughed out loud at the "a millenia ago" segment. A bunch of Aztec's in tribal costuming, and there's Aerostar wearing Spandex and LED lights. Fucking magical!

Match of the night was Jack Evans vs Draco Looks like they're going to give Evans some more mic time going forward, as he's adopted the "Dragon Slayer" moniker. I'm all for a feud between these two, and can't wait to see them top this one. They might even sell the moves next time. Who knows?! Kobra Moon and Bengala rounds out the card. Kobra caught my attention with her characterization and mannerisms, and that first dropkick was pretty damn good. But then she started kicking. Yikes. Hurt me more than it hurt Bengala, that's for sure.
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Old 02-14-2016, 03:58 PM
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Watched the February 10th episode yesterday afternoon.

-Bengala vs Cobra Moon sucked. Neither was very good, Bengala especially. He wasn't all that lean last season, but this season it looked like he gained a lot of weight as he looked fatter than usual.

-The Aerostar segment was just way out there, but I liked it because they just sorta stuck with it and they keep things within their own world which I think is pretty cool.

-Jack Evans vs Drago was good, although I just don't have much interest in Drago. It could be a good series though. There was also the wacky spot with Evans taking like a corkscrew bump off of a like a punch of something.

-The Texano promo was cool as the guy went from being just there because of Alberto and then just a guy again to a Mexican that likes to kick ass and beat people up.

-Fenix vs Cuerno was good, and LU's gimmick matches are usually quite good. King Cuerno is probably my favorite wrestler in LU right now as he looks good, he's good in the ring, and he speaks English quite well too. They've also built both guys well as Cuerno is still champion, but now Fenix has defeated the guy who can challenge for the championship too so both guys look like good contenders.

-Joey Ryan as a sleezy cop is such a great role lol. Why Cortez Castro/Officer Reyes is trying to get Dario rather than Matanza who was the person who killed Bael is beyond me but oh well.

Good show, although the opener was pretty terrible
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:34 PM
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I typically watch on Dailymotion as well and the lighting has been atrocious when the action spills outside the ring. It became obvious how poor the lighting has become during the Last Man Standing match. I get the budget cutbacks for season two, but it seems like the lighting has been the only thing they cut. Well that and the band, which I could do without.

I wish that Last Man Standing match could have gone longer, as it was only 12 minutes. I enjoy the rivalry between Cuerno and Fenix and Mil by association.

I was discussing some of the over the top aspects the other day and I agree that I can't help but love how wacky some of the stuff is, especially Aero Star being a time traveler.

Bengala totally looks like he put on thirty pounds.

Speaking of Bengala, he really killed a lot of what Kobra Moon could do. Hopefully she gets a better opponent next time around. That entire match though, Striker was grating on me. So many snake references.

I like that they are trying to give Jack Evans a personality. One of the criticisms I do have about LU is that most of the characters, as colorful as they are, are basically just 'guy who does flips.'

I also dig that in every vignette the face character is beating up guys in lucha masks. They did it for PJ Black, Kobra Moon, and now Texano.
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:02 PM
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So far Lucha Underground hasn't been as impressive as I felt it was previously. Does that mean it's terrible? No. In fact it's still possibly my favorite thing going on in Pro Wrestling a lot of the time.

In regard to the last episode I kind of felt it was jumbled a bit. So far the debut episode of season 2 has been my favorite, and the 3rd being the second. It feels kind of jumbled at times honestly. They do keep the Sci-Fi and themes somewhat away from the actual matches. I enjoy that idea and general show lay out as it is now. They are going in the right direction.

The Kobra Moon vs Bengala match was not my thing. I tried hard to get into it, but it just seemed like a filler match. Don't care to much about physical appearance, but Bengala really does not much have going for him attire wise for me or in ring wise for that matter either...

Jack Evans pulled a decent match with Drago. Wouldn't mind seeing more of the two with maybe some more bad blood or something at a higher risk. Jack seems to be haven given some more character and Mic skills as well. This was actually the best match of the night on second thought.

That Aero Star thing was absolutely weird. I enjoyed it in the weirdest way even though I don't really have a set opinion on him or it.

That Last Luchador/Man standing match was great. I really do wish it was longer though. I didn't realize how short of time they had to work with. Cuerno is awesome and has grown to become one of my favorite guys. Fenix is just a bundle of potential to.

I can't wait to see what happens next. I feel like it can only get better.
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Old 02-14-2016, 10:13 PM
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The problem I'm having with the show is that the continuation from season 1 doesnt seem to be there at all from a story line perspective and it feels like we're playing a video game sequel where we're getting reintroduced to everyone on the off chance there are new people watching the show. I think we're finally going to get some kind of major story line now which should help things pick up.

I really wish that they got someone else in to replace Vampiro as commentator so that he could fill his role as Pentagon's master
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Old 02-14-2016, 11:35 PM
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-Joey Ryan as a sleezy cop is such a great role lol. Why Cortez Castro/Officer Reyes is trying to get Dario rather than Matanza who was the person who killed Bael is beyond me but oh well.
I think Cueto is the bigger fish. Reyes even said that he wanted to bring Dario down when he ordered Matanza to kill Bael, but I may be mistaken. Besides, classic cop film trope, a pesky sargeant who's getting in the way of good detective work.

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I typically watch on Dailymotion as well and the lighting has been atrocious when the action spills outside the ring. It became obvious how poor the lighting has become during the Last Man Standing match. I get the budget cutbacks for season two, but it seems like the lighting has been the only thing they cut. Well that and the band, which I could do without.
Glad to here it's not just me then, but I'd love for someone who watches on El Rey to weigh in.

As a theater geek, I have to give some props (no pun intended). Due to strict budgets, you sometimes are left with weaknesses in your production, and the best way to mask a weakness is to make it a strength. The dark temple plays well into Mil and Catrina's reign, but that's all the positive I'll say on the subject. It still reads like crap on screen.

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Speaking of Bengala, he really killed a lot of what Kobra Moon could do. Hopefully she gets a better opponent next time around. That entire match though, Striker was grating on me. So many snake references.
Fill me in here, should I know Kobra Moon by another name? I've been trying the occasional non-comital Google search but I haven't found any aliases yet.

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I also dig that in every vignette the face character is beating up guys in lucha masks. They did it for PJ Black, Kobra Moon, and now Texano.
I caught that, too. A fun little piece of world-building.

By the way, Yaz, I'm still waiting to know what Dario is going to do with 60$.

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The problem I'm having with the show is that the continuation from season 1 doesnt seem to be there at all from a story line perspective and it feels like we're playing a video game sequel where we're getting reintroduced to everyone on the off chance there are new people watching the show. I think we're finally going to get some kind of major story line now which should help things pick up.
Not to apologize for every fault the show has, but they did lose a small handful of important names (though if you've read the comic, you may know that Big Ryck has technically been in every episode so far). They do have to do a soft rebuild of their roster. Better that they introduce new characters now then later when storylines are on their rising action.

That's my take on the newer characters, but I disagree about reintroductions for s01 alumni. The Menage a Trois storyline continues, though has evolved in the off season. Puma is chasing Mil. Mil now sits dominant atop the temple. Perhaps I misunderstand you, but none of this feels like I'm brought back to square one as a viewer.

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I really wish that they got someone else in to replace Vampiro as commentator so that he could fill his role as Pentagon's master
100% with you here. I was hoping at the end of episode one that he'd stand with Pentagon and fall back into full Vampiro persona. Instead, we have this strange non-commitment to what should be an evolved character from s01.

I get that Ian wants to remain at the desk, and I get that full-Vampiro may not mesh as an announcer, but because they haven't changed the character whatsoever it seems there is a lacking of concrete decisions being made by Ian Hodgkinson and the LU creative team. My biggest beef with the season, save the lighting.
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Fill me in here, should I know Kobra Moon by another name? I've been trying the occasional non-comital Google search but I haven't found any aliases yet.
Did a quick google search, and she's also known as Thunder Rosa. She's worked matches in Stardom and All Pro Wrestling and she has a twitter to confirm that she's Kobra Moon. Apparently she's only been wrestling for under a year and a half.

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What Black Aniconda Vice mentioned above is pretty much spot on. reddit was pretty big on her, so I had high hopes. Apparently she used to swear at the audience in Spanish when she was working in Japan and got decent heat from it.

Mostly just Bengala is a fat sack though.

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He sure as hell isn't going to use it on the lighting.

Maybe he is feeding Bengala all those cheeseburgers he is clearly eating. You can get a decent amount of burgers for $60.
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Since when did Cage become a face? He just rocked up the other week during Mundo's promo and was a face. He continued it this week and it just doesnt feel right, i'd rather see the roid machine get dropped on his head

Good to see some of the heavy kayfabe stories really starting to take shape, Mysterio's segment/scene was ace. The sooner dario gets back into the temple the better, because Catrina is nowhere near as good in promoter role and it seems Dario's return will drive a few of the narratives forward

Was expecting Puma v Pentagon to be great. It was but I still wish it had more time. Dont think we'll have to wait too long before we get Vampiro taking up his role of master

This week was easily the best episode so far
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Yeah Cage as a face is completely random. Even at Triplemania he worked as a heel, getting arguably the best heel heat of the night.

I can ultimately live with him as a face, especially against a good heel like Mundo, but it came out of left field with no explanation. I could see it if the break between seasons one and two was a reset, but they are continuing almost every storyline from the end of season one into this season. Maybe him putting Mack's face through the cinder block was his face turn
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