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Old 01-25-2016, 03:26 PM
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I'd like to preface this thread with some thoughts on the Rumble match:-

Roman Reigns was almost unanimously booed, followed by resounding apathy.

There was nothing but indifference upon entrances of veterans or old performers who've been around for more than 5 years, including Jack Swagger, Mark Henry, The Big Show,Goldust and Kane. (Chris Jericho being the only exception, as a part-time veteran/legend).

The faces were all booed:- from Ryback to Titus O'Neil.

The Miz was a douchebag, dork, and a chump in 2007, and he still is now. Not that there's anything wrong with it!

Chris Jericho's gait up to the ring reflected much dignity and brought to mind how much of a seasoned "performer" he is. Dignity! Chris Jericho is still awesome and the resounding applause upon his entrance reflected that.

The audiences are sick of the same old same old, including veterans entering year after year(Big Show and Kane), and "strong, big men" like Titus O'Neil and Ryback. The recurring and emphatic "AJ Styles" chants proved that. Also, they cheered Sami Zayn, apparently.

Kevin Owens is awesome. The fans love him even though he's a heel, which is when a really brilliant heel like Jericho or Owens does exactly what should evoke a negative reaction..eliminate the "good guy" or "fan favourite". The AJ Styles mimicry Owens did after eliminating him was brilliant.

I don't know who was booked to look like a bigger chump, Bray Wyatt and company, or Brock Lesnar. Why the hell didn't Lesnar unleash a "tempest" on Bray Wyatt after being illegally eliminated by the Wyatts? He just retreated calmly? That's just incongruent with Brock's persona.

So HHH is the new WWE WHC. I for one am a bit happy because it's the one thing that felt right in a severely crappily booked Royal Rumble match. I had expected him to win unjustly or just quickly, but he gave a pretty solid performance. Also, his presence for over 10 minutes and interaction with new superstars like Ambrose and Wyatt, as well as Ziggler just showed how seasoned guys like HHH and Chris Jericho are. The Reigns elimination is something we've seen many times and yet it was brilliant.

But..where do they go now? It's clear after the Rumble that Reigns just doesn't get cheered and they've done just about everything they could do to make the audiences cheer for him, by way of putting him up against The Authority who are pretty much the most despicable thing on TV. Such booking only works when the audience/people love the said wrestler, like Daniel Bryan and CM Punk. Actual underdogs. It hasn't worked for Reigns.

Are we going to see HHH being cheered on the next many Raws leading in to Wrestlemania? I sure as hell don't see Reigns being cheered over him.. Also, even though I'm curious to see HHH as champion, I can't conceive how they're going to make the HHH-Reigns program interesting.

HHH is one of the best ever, on the mic and in the ring. He's got Vince and Steph, and the LON.

Roman Reigns has nothing but awkwardness and "I got screwed", and once again, no cheers to back it up. Daniel Bryan on the other hand, had entire arenas chanting...

So I ask you, what do we expect now, in the next many weeks leading to Wrestlemania 32?

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I expect Reigns to continue getting the "underdog" treatment. They'll feed him LON week after week leading up to Fastlane, and probably put him in a handicap match at Fastlane to "earn" a title shot.

The build of Reigns is a mixture of Lesnar and Cena, but they want the reaction of the crowd to be similar to that of Daniel Bryan. He's an unstoppable force, who never gives up, but the Authority is holding him back. It really is the most ass-backwards build of a star that I've ever seen

Wrestlemania 32 will be Romans show. Unless we get some sort of crazy audible, Roman will walk out of WM as champion, and finally get his moment to shine.At least, that's what we'll be told to believe. Had he won last year, he would have been boo'd, which makes the Rollins cash in the best audible in WWE history. This year, there's no doubt in my mind Roman get his "moment"

How do I feel about this? Completely uninterested. I love Triple H and think it's nice to have heel Trips back on top. But every ounce of me feels the same as Bray Wyatt. Anyone but Roman. From his facial expressions, to his bullshit walkout for half of the Rumble last night, to his monstrous 2 year push, I just can't stand the fact that he is the chosen one.

Roman is milk, and I am lactose intolerant. No doubt he has his qualities, but every time he's pushed down my throat, it leads to nothing but shit for me
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Roman Reigns was almost unanimously booed, followed by resounding apathy.
Hmm I wouldn't say it was unanimous. It was pretty negative but there were some cheers and people applauding Reigns, as well as some pro-Reigns signs. Look at his entrance again.

What did disappoint me was seeing an "If Reigns wins we riot" sign. That shit wasn't funny in 2008 and it isn't funny now.

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The faces were all booed:- from Ryback to Titus O'Neil.
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Kevin Owens is awesome. The fans love him even though he's a heel, which is when a really brilliant heel like Jericho or Owens does exactly what should evoke a negative reaction..eliminate the "good guy" or "fan favourite". The AJ Styles mimicry Owens did after eliminating him was brilliant.
Seconded on Owens being awesome, but let's face it, he was also the only guy who could get away with eliminating Styles. I reckon even Ambrose or Jericho would've drawn heat for that.

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Chris Jericho's gait up to the ring reflected much dignity and brought to mind how much of a seasoned "performer" he is. Dignity! Chris Jericho is still awesome and the resounding applause upon his entrance reflected that.
I guess I'm not as sold on modern Y2J as you. I personally thought Jericho looked somewhat out of place. It was nice to see him again but he's basically done and there was no one buying into the possibility of him winning.

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I don't know who was booked to look like a bigger chump, Bray Wyatt and company, or Brock Lesnar. Why the hell didn't Lesnar unleash a "tempest" on Bray Wyatt after being illegally eliminated by the Wyatts? He just retreated calmly? That's just incongruent with Brock's persona.
Okay I understand this criticism but I want to play Devil's Advocate here, as well as the fact that I personally headcanon-ed it this way: Lesnar was realising there was no way he could overcome four men built like the Wyatts without some kind of game plan. There's almost this conclusive kind of resignation on his face as he leaves if you care to watch it again. Lesnar actually needing to plan a comeback carefully helps the Wyatts look strong in my book.

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I think Triple H's cheers were a mixed bag of nostalgia pop seeing the Game with the Title and an "anyone but Reigns" type of reaction. It's also a fairly smark crowd down in NXT land which plays into reactions somewhat. Reigns will appear more over at Mania, I predict. The next Raws should give us some more perspective on this.
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Old 01-25-2016, 04:16 PM
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Hmm I wouldn't say it was unanimous. It was pretty negative but there were some cheers and people applauding Reigns, as well as some pro-Reigns signs. Look at his entrance again.
I know there were a few pro-Roman signs and sure, a part of the audience must've applauded him, just that the boos were loud and cheers were muffled. I did say almost unanimous.

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Hah. I get it. Dean Ambrose is a face and he's ALWAYS cheered. Dean is also an exception, and I personally just "omit" him, as it's just predictable he's going to be cheered no matter what..until of course he turns heel.

I did include Sami Zayn and AJ Styles among new performers/underdogs who were cheered.

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I guess I'm not as sold on modern Y2J as you. I personally thought Jericho looked somewhat out of place. It was nice to see him again but he's basically done and there was no one buying into the possibility of him winning.
True. He didn't really shine in this year's Rumble match, if he was ever supposed to. Nor did AJ Styles which is strange because he was the only wrestler whom the audiences consistently chanted for, as if they said, "show us your cool moves AJ, we're so sick of everybody else". I wonder if they, in their imagination, subconsciously, substituted him for Daniel Bryan, considering their similar sizes and stints as "workhorses" and technical wrestlers in their respective companies.

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Okay I understand this criticism but I want to play Devil's Advocate here, as well as the fact that I personally headcanon-ed it this way: Lesnar was realising there was no way he could overcome four men built like the Wyatts without some kind of game plan. There's almost this conclusive kind of resignation on his face as he leaves if you care to watch it again. Lesnar actually needing to plan a comeback carefully helps the Wyatts look strong in my book.
I did see it, and it occurred to me that it must be the case..as you point out.

I still feel however, it was completely devoid of intensity. Do you remember how Kurt Angle got mad because Shawn Michaels had eliminated him and what followed? And Angle wasn't even illegally eliminated. Nevertheless. Also, Brock didn't need to go after all 4, as only Bray was in the ring at that point and he could've easily taken a steel chair or something, eliminated or injured him...he should have done SOMETHING intense and vicious before retreating, at least.

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I think Triple H's cheers were a mixed bag of nostalgia pop seeing the Game with the Title and an "anyone but Reigns" type of reaction. It's also a fairly smark crowd down in NXT land which plays into reactions somewhat. Reigns will appear more over at Mania, I predict. The next Raws should give us some more perspective on this.
I agree the "anyone but Reigns" was a factor. I just don't know how Reigns is going to be "more over" by Wrestlemania or at Wrestlemania. If the WWE Universe ever bought Reigns in the underdog role in the first place, wouldn't they have wanted him to win or at least "survive"? It was glaringly clear however, that they wanted him to lose. May be it's time the WWE just admitted the fact that Reigns will never work as this underdog, because he isn't CM Punk and he isn't Daniel Bryan, and he sure as hell isn't that talented, and consistently forcing him in that role will sicken everybody, especially a few of us here on Wrestlezone.

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I take issue with you saying it was a poorly booked Rumble.

Considering the stars available to them last night if feel overall it was booked well. Consider the fact that this match was for the title, and not too many main eventers available, they did well to not having any ridiculous entrants. Granted there's always going to be fodder, but well all knew that HHH was going to win anyway so I aren't upset about that.

I thought the way they started with Reigns eliminating Rusev with ease meant we were going to 4 or 5 easy eliminations for him and then AJ comes out. That was fucking crazy. Now this did put some heat on Roman, but I think all Rumble crowds are going to be smarky for a long time. Having Kevin Owens be the one to eliminate AJ was a masterstroke. Owens is in the position of been a heel who the fans like. I was feeling sorry for whoever had to eliminate AJ for the heat. When Owens was the guy to do it it made me pissed off at Owens and I love the guy.

I was surprised that all 4 of the Wyatts weren't in the Rumble at the same time but overall if they're going to go with Lesnar Wyatt at 'Mania that's a good way to start it. Like the OP I was wondering why Lesnar didn't go back in and destroy them but as Ollie pointed out above he did succumb to the numbers game and needs to be smarter.

Now for anyone who was annoyed Roman got taken away and then made a miraculous come back at the end, did you really expect him not to be in the last 3 or 4? Now ask yourself if you would have been happy seeing Roman throughout the whole match? The only way to get him to that point was to have him taken out early on. They did it with Austin in 99.

I was surprised Ambrose was the last guy in there with HHH and for a second they really did make me believe he was going to win it. I love how HHH stuck it to RR with the Suck-Its when he eliminated him. Anybody who has watched wrestling for a long time must know must formulas they follow by now so I prefer to enjoy the story the take us on rather than worry to much about the end game.

On a side note: As I mentioned above it seems all Rumble Crowds think its cool to go against the grain now. Roman will get cheered again over the coming months but it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if he gets booed at every single Rumble he appears at now.
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I take issue with you saying it was a poorly booked Rumble.
I understand that they had little to work with, and there weren't that many "maineventers" in the match considering the injuries.

But I'm resolute in my belief and claim that it was a pretty lacklustre Rumble match, and more importantly, they didn't do anything to make it better, basically by booking it poorly. Here's why:-

They bring in AJ Styles and he did LITTLE in the match. It was like he's Rey Mysterio trying to survive the rumble match. He didn't shine. But of course I loved the fact that we got to see AJ styles in the first place.

Chris Jericho didn't shine.

Rumble was used for just 2 reasons:-

1)Initiate the Wyatt-Lesnar feud. Even the way this was done lacked any real substantial spark. I must seem like someone who is just complaining, but even you agree when I say that Brock should've shown some intensity and done something after he was eliminated. The whole "Brock was being smart and strategic" BS is illogical because Brock Lesnar post-UFC doesn't do that. That's what The Miz, Edge, and Seth Rollins do. The whole thing was FAIL, IMO.

2)HHH returning and winning. I am happy with the last 12-15 minutes of the Rumble, especially HHH's interactions with Bray, Ziggler, Ambrose, and the way he eliminated Reigns. No complaints here.

The biggest factor contributing to my opinion that it was "poorly booked" is Reigns. Why bring him in as number 1, only to take him out of the match? He should've entered after no 20, may be even at number 29, eliminated 4-5 guys, and THEN be shocked at HHH's entrance and be eliminated. It'd have at least given him a reason to say "I got screwed". But anyway. The whole Reigns booking was a blunder.
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I thought it was a good Royal Rumble because it opened the door for storylines. Zayn/Owens or Owens/Styles, Wyatt/Lesnar a continuation of Reigns/Triple H. The timing of Styles being eliminated gave fans who are not too familar with Styles a real chance to see him and Owens eliminating him was the perfect person to do it because he won't suffer from fan backlash.

AJ looked good in his debut by lasting nearly 30 minutes in the rumble. He looked good and I think he's a perfect fit for the roster because there are many opportunities for him.

R-Truth had a very hilarious moment in the draft with pulling that ladder into the ring while everyone stood around looking at him in a "wtf" moment.

I'm actually glad to see the vets get out there in the ring, regardless if they're unlikely to win it looks cool to see them pose some form of challenge. We all know Chris Jericho, Kane, Mark Henry, Goldust and R Truth have seen the better days of their in-ring careers so I just embrace their presence for their longevity and dedication to the business.

Only complaint I had is Reigns spent 35 minutes out of the match, but apart from that it was a very good show.
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The Reigns experiment is absolutely finished.
They have two options. Turn him heel or drop him to mid card.
If they continue shoving him down peoples throats as a face they will continue to get embarrassing results like having the "face of the company" heartily booed out of the rumble.

I truly believe last night had alternate endings depending on crowd reaction. I know that's a pretty ridiculous claim but look what happened...they let him get absolutely screwed by LON and Authority. To the point where any viable face would get a MASSIVE pop when he returned to attack Sheamus and re-enter the match. What did they get?

APATHY. No one even fucking cared and that's not even the worst...everyone on earth rolled their eyes and KNEW he was gonna win. If the Orlando crowd would have melted down upon his return with thunderous cheers he would have went over and eliminated the entire LON and then HHH. Too bad no one wants to see that piece of shit be a headliner. Period.
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Roman is basically the only person on the roster I don't like. Even in The Shield I wasn't a big fan. I've tried to like him, but it is never going to work...My mom is a teacher and when the kids came into class last year all the way up until now talking about Monday Night Raw they actually didn't like him. Adults don't like him. The only part of the Rumble I totally despised was when he came back. That part in which he was heavily boo'd.

I don't see how people think he is over to be totally honest. I remember my Mom coming home laughing about how she said something about pretending to be Roman Reigns, and the little kid in the class said " Screw Roman Reigns. I'm Dean Ambrose ". These may be young kids, but the thing is they really don't like him. Most of them are so young they don't even know what is going on. The ones who are old enough don't really gravitate towards Roman lol.

I honestly haven't met a die hard Roman Reigns fan in my entire life. Maybe the Shield? Not Roman though.

It's pretty bad when Damien Sandow and others get more cheers than your champion to be honest.
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I understand that they had little to work with, and there weren't that many "maineventers" in the match considering the injuries.

But I'm resolute in my belief and claim that it was a pretty lacklustre Rumble match, and more importantly, they didn't do anything to make it better, basically by booking it poorly. Here's why:-

They bring in AJ Styles and he did LITTLE in the match. It was like he's Rey Mysterio trying to survive the rumble match. He didn't shine. But of course I loved the fact that we got to see AJ styles in the first place.

Chris Jericho didn't shine.

Rumble was used for just 2 reasons:-

1)Initiate the Wyatt-Lesnar feud. Even the way this was done lacked any real substantial spark. I must seem like someone who is just complaining, but even you agree when I say that Brock should've shown some intensity and done something after he was eliminated. The whole "Brock was being smart and strategic" BS is illogical because Brock Lesnar post-UFC doesn't do that. That's what The Miz, Edge, and Seth Rollins do. The whole thing was FAIL, IMO.

2)HHH returning and winning. I am happy with the last 12-15 minutes of the Rumble, especially HHH's interactions with Bray, Ziggler, Ambrose, and the way he eliminated Reigns. No complaints here.

The biggest factor contributing to my opinion that it was "poorly booked" is Reigns. Why bring him in as number 1, only to take him out of the match? He should've entered after no 20, may be even at number 29, eliminated 4-5 guys, and THEN be shocked at HHH's entrance and be eliminated. It'd have at least given him a reason to say "I got screwed". But anyway. The whole Reigns booking was a blunder.
AJ debuting was a cool moment within itself without him needing a ''Chance to shine''. Jericho last near on 50 minutes which is pretty impressive.

With the Lesnar thing I can see both sides of the argument. If its true he isn't backstage tonight then maybe they could've had The Wyatts take him out, but then again maybe Heyman told him to wait. Maybe Lesnar himself realised he would get his ass kicked. We don't want them to blow there load too early with this feud considering it's 2 months till 'Mania. There's plenty of time for confrontation.

Why on earth would they allow RR to enter that late on? Roman gets number 1 and HHH gets number 30 was classic heel strategy. As I mentioned above taking him out was a good idea because Roman was getting booed last night. Nobody wanted to see him dominate all the way through. I feel they took us on a good ride.
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