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Old 01-20-2016, 08:44 AM
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Ever since the rise of Hulkamania, there has always been one undeniable face of the company. For 80s, it was Hulk Hogan. For the early 90s, it was Bret Hart. For the late 90s, it was Stone Cold. For the Ruthless Aggression and PG Era it was Cena. And now for the Network Era, it will be Roman Reigns leading the charge. And rightfully so, because following the mold of previous main eventers, Roman Reigns has everything needed to be that guy.

But just as there has always been one captain, there has been 2 people to play the alternatives for said captain. Hulk Hogan had Macho Man and The Ultimate Warrior. Bret Hart had HBK and The Undertaker. Stone Cold had Triple H and the Rock. John Cena had Edge and Orton in the Ruthless Aggression Era and Orton and Punk in the PG Era (he never really feuded with Edge after that). So now, with Roman looking to steer the ship, who will be his two helpers?

As it's looking right now, Kevin Owens is positioned to be the role of the Network Era's dominant heel... a Roddy Piper or a WWF Circa Ric Flair... in the sense that he'll be important no doubt, but he won't be the face or one of the two alternate faces. And yes, Flair in the early WWF run was used in that very same vane. So while I'm sure Owens WILL have success, I don't think he'll be one of the top guys.

So who is it that will help Reigns solidify this era? Could it be the first ever WWE World Heavyweight and United States Champion at the same damn time, THE MAN Seth Rollins? Could this generation actually be headed by all three shield members? Could it be the ever growing popular Finn Balor currently utilizing his talents in NXT? Could Sami Zayn hop into the spot? Or could it be someone else? Baron Corbin? Apollo Crews? Neville? AJ Styles? Samoa Joe? A potentially signed Austin Aries (he IS currently a free agent)? An already seasoned vet, but highly underrated Alberto Del Rio? Or could it be an underdog from the previous era finally breaking into the Main Event, ala Edge in the Ruthless Aggression Era?

I know a lot of people will brush this aside as a weird topic or a non-important topic but it's justifiably as important as finding out who's actually going to lead this generation. Why? Because when the WWE started to face their hardest times, and Hogan started to lose his freshness, they needed someone they could go to. So the first time, they went to Macho Man... very well deserved and highly entertaining. Formed one of the greatest teams of all time, the Mega Powers. And then at WrestleMania 6, they added the Ultimate Warrior to that mix, finally rounding off the top 3 stars to always go to... while teasing the waters with Bret and HBK to set them up for the future.

In 2002, when only Triple H was there to hold down the fort as the final Attitude Era's top 3; they began to bring up John Cena but they also made sure to push Edge from a mid-card single's workhorse to a main event marquee name. And not only that, but they managed to have Randy Orton get groomed and mentored by HHH and Ric Flair, as well as giving him a program with the original Mr. WrestleMania in Hulk Hogan. They put him with the Undertaker, they put him with Kurt Angle. They did everything they could to make Orton ready to be the number 2 and Edge the number 3. And it worked. Because in the event of when something does go stale, you need an out... and WWE's had 2 outs for every generation. So now, with Reigns ready to lead the charge we need to see if we can find WWE's out.

Personally, I believe that while Rollins will be a solid Number 3 option, I don't think he'll be the secondary option like Orton was to Cena. Instead, I see that spot going to Baron Corbin. Let's be honest, HHH has been protecting him since day one in NXT and it's been an amazing ride. He's put Corbin with the right people to get him ready. Samoa Joe? Coincidence? I think not. Sooner or later, the Lone Wolf will enter the main roster, and when he does you can bet that HHH will protect him the same way he's protected Charlotte thus far. He's going to give him a heater, a mouthpiece, and someone that can bring out the best in him. To be honest, I wouldn't be too shocked if they some how managed to convince Heyman to be that guy... or even JBL.

Seth Rollins has proven he can be a solid go to guy... in essence the HHH from the Attitude Era. He'll draw money when he has to.. yes, HHH drew money; there was a time when Rock and Austin were BOTH gone and HHH had to lead the charge. He'll bring in views when he has to, and when people start to slouch on the product he'll bring in more interest when he has to... like the 3rd option in basketball, when the other two men are locked down then Rollins be wide open and take the shot... and just like in basketball when a SF launches that 3 pointer, it'll mostly go off without a single flaw.

But those are who I see as the eventual 2nd and 3rd options. I may be off, who knows... but like I said, I don't see Baron being just an afterthought and I also don't see Rollins fading any time soon.
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:26 AM
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Interesting read.

I dread the thought of Seth Rollins being number 3 and Roman Reigns being no 1. Though it makes sense, if you compare him with HHH from the AE. But, I see him more like Shawn Michaels pre-AE, as a naughty yet inexplicably adorable heel. I just love Seth Rollins and so do many others.

So shouldn't the question be, who's going to be the Bret Hart of this Era, to complement the Shawn Michaels(Seth Rollins)?

And Roman Reigns, albeit intense and having "the look", is just not good enough, as I now believe, to carry the company. The problem with your bestowal of Reigns as the no1 Rock/Austin and Rollins as the HHH is that Reigns is nowhere close to being as intriguing, charming, charismatic, or talented as The Rock, or even Austin. He doesn't even have a damn character. Like, we knew Austin was a beer-drinking, profanity-spewing, Texan son-of-a-bitch. We knew The Rock was a charismatic leader-type who just kicked ass, not to mention his insults on the microphone. Roman Reigns isn't even as good as Batista(face).

I just thought about this yesterday and I thought of Batista's stint as the WHC on Smackdown as a face, and how it had bored me to death. And Batista in 2005 was already better than Reigns both in the ring and on the mic. It was only after The Undertaker and Edge showed up did Batista's title defenses or matches begin to intrigue/captivate me.

So the point is, is Roman Reigns really going to be the one to "carry the company" as the no 1 guy for the next 3-4 years, while Seth Rollins is the HHH at #3 ? The WWE's going to have to deal with endless boos, and fan disinterest and disgruntlement, especially from the IWC, I foresee.

And incidentally, I have no problem with KO, Cesaro(I doubt about Cesaro though) and Seth Rollins being the top 3, and Reigns being a merchandise-seller as a face.

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Old 01-20-2016, 09:40 AM
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To be honest it's tough to say because the professional wrestling world is a revolving door. Barring one's depature and one's injuries - it's a safe bet to say either CM Punk and Daniel Bryan would've been in those roles because they had the momentum that could carry them atop of the card for quite a while.

Times change because this could've been said about Brock during his first run had he not left, same can be applied to Jeff Hardy. I think a lot of these unfortunate circumstances can contribute to why we have seen a decade and counting of John Cena atop the company. Nobody has proven that they can maintain being over or consistently healthy as Cena(yes I acknowledge his injuries).

The way Dolph Ziggler was being booked a few years ago, it could've been him, they tried it with The Miz and they tried it with Batista. Dolph's de-pushing could maybe speculate to public comments about Orton, The Miz lost steam and Batista managed to become stale. It's honestly a tough call to make.

But right now on paper I would say Seth Rollins. Nobody has quite seen success like his but Roman Reigns over the last 3 years. I know people anticipate him to return as a face, even though naturally coming back from being gone that long he probably will get cheered. I just prefer him as a heel.
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So the point is, is Roman Reigns really going to be the one to "carry the company" as the no 1 guy for the next 3-4 years, while Seth Rollins is the HHH at #3 ? The WWE's going to have to deal with endless boos, and fan disinterest and disgruntlement, especially from the IWC, I foresee.
Good points, yet there's also the possibility Rollins and Reigns can spend the years leading to the next decade battling each other for supremacy, thereby elevating the status' of both.

With their original connection (The Shield) and the fact both chose different paths upon break-up of the group (Roman to face, Rollins to heel) there are natural factors to fight about. Over the coming years, they can:


-have Rollins change from heel to face.....and back again
-have Reigns change from face to heel....and back again
-fight against each other
-fight each other on the same side


In doing this, perhaps Roman can firm up his rep and both men can become stronger in their rivalry. It will take years to play out.....which is the point of this thread.
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Good points, yet there's also the possibility Rollins and Reigns can spend the years leading to the next decade battling each other for supremacy, thereby elevating the status' of both.

With their original connection (The Shield) and the fact both chose different paths upon break-up of the group (Roman to face, Rollins to heel) there are natural factors to fight about. Over the coming years, they can:


-have Rollins change from heel to face.....and back again
-have Reigns change from face to heel....and back again
-fight against each other
-fight each other on the same side


In doing this, perhaps Roman can firm up his rep and both men can become stronger in their rivalry. It will take years to play out.....which is the point of this thread.
True. But I have seriously begun to doubt Roman's ability as a performer/wrestler, and his ability to begin Monday Night Raw with 10-12 minute promos/segments, which is expected of any world champion/face of the WWE.

Let's think of the three greatest champions/faces between 2005-2015 who were expected to do that, and delivered consistently:-

1)John Cena.
2)Randy Orton.
3)CM Punk.

Now that Punk's gone, one can easily transpose the third slot with Seth freakin' Rollins.

Throughout these years, there have also been other champions, but they more or less either 1)Lacked the ability to captivate/enchant crowds through 10-12 minute promos as a face or heel(Sheamus, Del Rio,), or 2)Lacked the charisma and mic skills of a CM Punk or Shawn Michaels and yet got through..like Jeff Hardy.

Also, I have been trying to scrutinize Reigns' ability to capitvate us through his in-ring expertise..like I watched Bray Wyatt-Reigns match from Battleground, and his match with Rusev from Raw this monday..but what I realized is that he just doesn't do it for me. Clotheslines, flying clotheslines, superman punch, more clotheslines, and then a spear. Interestingly, my opinion of Sheamus has changed from a "boring guy" to an "excellent wrestler" on account of his in-ring skills, the most exemplary of which in recent memory is his match with Randy Orton from Battleground. The guy has so many moves...Irish curse backbreaker, something like a Samon drop or whatever it's called, Boston Crab submission..among others.

This is something which many IWC members have been stating for quite some time..Roman Reigns to them doesn't work because of the aforementioned factors, whereas Seth Rollins excels in them.

Simultaneously, an argument could be made that Roman doesn't have to talk for 10-12 minutes and that he's OKAY in the ring and that it's enough for him to be deserving of a No 1 or 2 spot alongside Rollins and thus be the bearer of world championships and eminence as the premier representative of the WWE.

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Good points, yet there's also the possibility Rollins and Reigns can spend the years leading to the next decade battling each other for supremacy, thereby elevating the status' of both.

With their original connection (The Shield) and the fact both chose different paths upon break-up of the group (Roman to face, Rollins to heel) there are natural factors to fight about. Over the coming years, they can:


-have Rollins change from heel to face.....and back again
-have Reigns change from face to heel....and back again
-fight against each other
-fight each other on the same side


In doing this, perhaps Roman can firm up his rep and both men can become stronger in their rivalry. It will take years to play out.....which is the point of this thread.
Yeah, just short-sighted hyperbole from another poster. Look at how much Reigns's popularity changed in a matter of 2 nights of booking. That's just WWE proving that if they want to, they can get you over.

But this is all hypothetical anyway, because none of us can see the future. Anyone of the guys a poster names could get a life altering injury or something that causes them to get out of the business. Look at DB right now. What if Seth Rollins gets too many knee injuries? It's 100% speculation at this point.

Oh and I love the "number of moves" arguments people on here post. Because those aren't the most flawed arguments in the business

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I actually want this era to have more than just one or two top guys and the rest just follow along. Golden Era we had Hogan and Savage mostly. New Gen was Bret and Shawn. AE was Austin and Rocky, but Foley, HHH and Angle also got plenty of spotlight. Then we had Lesnar and HHH and then Cena and Batista, with Orton and Edge as the heels.

What I want for this coming era is an AE scenario, or something like RAW was during 2008, when they had Cena, Batista, JBL, Orton, Y2J, HBK and CM Punk all compete for the World Championship.

I want Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Owens, Wyatt, Balor to be the main guys for the coming era, but without some clean top guy. Just have them exchange spots up there. Have multiple protagonists instead of just one.

I believe that the era of one over the top babyface that beats the hell out of everyone is over. Hollywood shows that and we've seen in WWE as well. Heroes are no longer smiling and kicking ass all the time. The new heros, the one who sell, are more dark-ish and more sympathetic to the audience. More realistic if you may. Not realistic in a way that exposes the wrestling bussiness, but realistic in a way they react to things and stuff. Why do you think Bryan and Punk got so over? Because the fans could sympathize with them and because they were cool. You can't really sympathize with Roman Reigns or view him as an underdog when he's like 6'5".

Times change and I believe it's about time for the WWE to change. There's nothing wrong with having multiple guys at the top, multiple faces. I actually believe there should be 3 top guys as the faces with one more as a rotation player.

#1 guy: The clean cut face, but kinda dark-ish. Roman Reigns fits that scenario.
#2 guy: The anti-hero. Anti-heroes sell. Dean Ambrose is perfect for that role. Also Bray Wyatt if he ever turns.
#3 guy: The sympathetic face. Seth Rollins fits that. Maybe even Finn Balor in the future.

Then add in there the heels that will be facing those top faces. Kevin Owens, Bray Wyatt, Seth Rollins if he remains a heel.

That makes six top guys that can easily carry the company for the next 5 years, along with the help of Lesnar, Orton and Cena.

Why am I choosing this scenario? Because I believe that clean cut top guy baby faces don't work anymore. Not if the fan cannot sympathize with them. The ways of entertainment change. WWE haven't really changed their main game of like 30 years. It took some elements from ECW some from WCW, but the main core has not changed. This core has changed in Hollywood like 20 years ago but still WWE stays behind.
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Who is going to be the Bret Hart to compliment Shawn Michaels? I wish people were able to post their age and how long they have been watching wrestling. There have been so many posts where I can tell that they haven't started watching until the attitude era. Everbody is entitled to their opinion but, my God, know a little bit about the history of the business before posting please!

Clearly this posted started watching around or after the attitude era. At no point did Bret Hart play second fiddle to Shawn Michaels. "What about 1996?" This would be the ony possible time, but Bret was doing other things at the time and wasn't around to play second fiddle.

I have to assume that this opinion is based on the fact that Shawn was around longer which allowed fans to enjoy HBK matches longer. "Shawn was better in the ring" If the opinion is based on this, that's not the question being asked. The topic is about being the face of the company. Shawn was a big star, but was he ever really the face of the company? He was in '96 for sure. 1997 was a crazy year where their was no real face. if it was anybody, it was either Bret or Stonecold. By 1998, it was all about Austin

So to ask the question "Who is going to be Bret Hart to Roman's Shawn Michaels is is beyond ridiculious. It's completely ass backwards. Anyone who was really watching from 1992 to 1998 knows that Bret was #1 and Shawn was #2.

Before people have a fit about who was better, they need to remember the question that was posted. At no point ever was Shawn Michaels the face of the WWF over Bret Hart
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The roster is goinf to be bigger than ever tbh. With all the young guys already on the main roster + NXT + Free Agents, the future looks bright...real bright.


Lets look at who the top guys could be (realistically):
1)Roman
2)Seth
3)Dean
4)Kevin
5)Bray
6)Balor
7)Zayn
8)Apollo
9)Corbin
10)Joe
11)Hideo
12)Styles

I just listed a dozen guys who could constitute the top three for the future of the company.

I think that all of these guys are world championship material. Do I think they all hold the belt for a good run? Sadly, no. Guys like Apollo Crews, Sami Zayn, Hideo, Corbin, Joe, Ambrose may all have a couple of world championships on their résumé but so do guys like Dolph Ziggler and The Miz and even Jack Swagger. The fans will love each of these guys but I think they will become the Ziggler/Miz/Swagger/Mysterio/Del Rio/Christian/Kane of the future generations.


That leaves us with my top 6:
1)Roman
2)Seth
3)Bray
4)Kevin
5)Balor
6)AJ

These will be the future six with AJ becoming the Batista of the group, in other words, the first one to leave. AJ is 40..up there with Cena so you can't expect him to lead the decade when he's 50. Sure a match here and there like Taker would be nice.

Bray and Ambrose fall onto the same boat, creative will never get them to superstardom. It's complex to build up unique characters and to give them something fresh and keep continuity up with them. They'll hold the belt on quite a few occasions but don't expect them to be headlining any WMs.

That leaves my top 4:
1)Roman
2)Seth
3)Kevin
4)Balor

I find it fascinating that two of my top 4 are already WWE champions and the other two are two of HHHs biggest projects.

Roman will fall off at #4. He is the next Cena, it's true. But the days of Cena are gone. The people don't want a Cena, do they? People want Bryan/Punk/Jeff Hardy etc etc. Roman is managements lap dog. They will push him but the fans will never fully accept him. He helped bring in the new generation and will hang on with them for sure but he was only the face because no one else was next to him yet.

That leaves my top 3: Kevin Owens, Finn Balor and Seth Rollins. So I'll get to the original topic which was who will be the top three. I'll go ahead and rank them:

#3 - Finn Balor. I love this dude. Unique is definitely a definition of him. The demon is awesome and I hope we see more art on him soon. That will be his ticket to the top tier. He is an awesome wrestler, good speaker, has a fan following and has a demon to unleash. He may headline couple of Wrestlemanias.

#2 - Kevin Owens. You could say I'm a bit biased because Kevins my favorite out of the current roster. The dude plays the arrogant heel so well. He's classical. He can wrestle like none other, control the crowd as he wants and does not look like a star. That should work against him but he makes that work for him. The family guy, the prize hunter...the ultimate heel. He can also be a great babyface.

#1 - Seth Rollins. We've already seen Seth on the top of the mountain. But that wasn't the real Seth. That was the diluted corporate sell out heel Seth Rollins. Thats not his real character. He's the complete babyface. The day he turns face against someone like HHH and the day he wins the title as a face will be the day he cement's himself as the leader of a generation. With his in ring skills, mic work, look, presence, history, Seth has all the tools to be THE MAN.
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Its to early to tell. 5 years ago you had a rise od Ziggler and Del Rio, The Miz was Champion and person who won NXT was Barrett and people thought that he would be huge. And look at where all those people are now. Nobody could even predicted rise of CM Punk, not to mention Bryan later and The Shield who were not even in WWEs plans then.

But if anything major doesnt happen Reigns and Rollins should be a lock. Interesting is that their rivalry cant last even a PPV match because Roman had injury in 2014 just before the match and Rollins took an injury in 2015 again just before their PPV match. Owens could rise to the top, Finn Balor probably will once he is established on main roster and probably someone who we dont even see like Neville. Divas Division could also be one of the focal points with Four Horsewomen in there. So lots of talents who could potentialy be huge stars who would lead WWE in the future.
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