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Old 09-22-2015, 07:37 AM
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I've found myself skipping most of 2009's wrestling, only to return at the time The Miz won his Money In The Bank contract. All fine I guess, a lot of people thought he was going to be the first to cash-in and fail, but he didn't and he won the WWE Championship from Randy Orton. Since then I've been a big fan of The Miz and it really pisses me off the fact that he's no longer relevant.

I enjoyed most of his title reign, including Michael Cole's mark out moments, The Miz's angry girl (or whatever) and even his feud with Lawler was enjoyable. But the best thing about his title reign was how well he fitted in with the likes of The Rock and John Cena. The truth is that he got overshadowed by that "Once In A Lifetime" and after CM Punk's rise, we saw The Miz disappearing from the face of the Earth.

I miss the "I am Awesome" shtick, back then he was even getting some good matches with the likes of John Morrison and John Cena (all fine workers of course). Now I went back and actually found out that Miz's title reign was actually good for the ratings, and I remember the guy doing all the freaking press that even John Cena went on and complimented him on Twitter. Legit, the guy was getting the respect of his peers and fans alike (save for some people who just don't like him and that's fine).

So what do you think was the reason for The Miz's disappearance from the main event scene? Lack of confidence from management? Booking? His talent or lack of it? Thoughts on his title reign...
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Old 09-22-2015, 09:03 AM
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I think it's simply a case of they tried, and it failed so he moved back down on the card. It may be tough to remember but Miz had some good momentum about him back in 08-09. He seemed fresh, was good on the mic and began to develop in ring as a wrestler. He was coming off looking strong against Morrison after there tag split and it made sense to move him up the card.

He got his shot and it did not work. I think its as simple as that.
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Old 09-22-2015, 09:10 AM
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That reign was absolutely a fluke. It should NEVER have happened. Miz is great on the mic but he's average in the ring at best and was never believable in the role of anything further up than an annoying midcard heel. What he's doing right now is exactly where he should be. In the midcard doing annoying heel promos to generate negative reactions for the fans, thus making nearly anyone who stands up to him get a positive reaction. Remember when Alex Riley beat Miz up? Had that been anyone else the fan reaction would not have been much different.

I'll admit he has improved some.... but Miz should never have been anywhere near the WWE Championship. I always believed John Morrison should have gotten the big push over Miz when they split up. Miz's reign as WWE Champion saw some of the darkest times that the federation has ever been through in the past decade. A guy who is not believable whatsoever as the top guy defended the belt ON PAY-PER-VIEW against a 60+ year old announcer. That was a disagrace. Don't EVEN get me started on Wrestlemania 27. That show was a total disaster and it gave us the worst main event in Wrestlemania history, while the show itself overall is in the bottom 3 of all time alongside Wrestlemania 11 and 9. A big part of that is Miz walked in as the top guy, retained against JOHN CENA, at the biggest show of the year. Horrible. Just horrible.

Was it a fluke? Yes. A thousand times, yes.
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Miz was a placeholder to set-up Cena for another title run. However, because The Rock came back Vince saw the opportunity to create a 2-year/WM program between Cena and The Rock. If not for that Miz would have dropped the belt to Cena @ WM.

The Miz holding the belt for so long was what led to WWE giving the strap to CM Punk for so long to re-establish its credibility before dropping it to The Rock which was the set-up for what WWE intended to do with Cena @ WM 2 years earlier.
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Are we so far removed from 2011 that people don't actually remember what happened? The Miz didn't fall off the planet after dropping the title to Cena. In fact, the Miz went on to form AwesomeTruth, a team that was booked like an unbeatable force in the fall of 2011. Seriously - go back and re-watch this stuff. They were booked like monster heels. Their highlights included:

1) Attacking a white-hot CM Punk during his Night of Champions match with Triple H.

2) Destroying Punk, Cena and ADR during a Hell in a Cell match while the rest of the WWE watched helplessly.

3) Defeating Punk and Triple H in a tag-team match at Vengeance.

4) Destroying Cena during his WWE Title match at Vengance.

5) Creating such chaos on Raw that Triple H was removed from his position as acting CEO.

6) Wrestling Rock/Cena in Rock's first WWE match in 7 years.

The duo broke up following their loss at Survivor Series when Miz turned on Truth. But it was clear at that point that the Miz was still high in the WWE graces as he was given a WWE Title match at TLC in December. It wasn't until after TLC when the Survivor Series buyrate came in that Miz was demoted. With the numbers significantly lower than what the WWE anticipated, the WWE had to 'punish' someone. It was clear that they weren't going to demote Rock or Cena so Miz took the fall...

In the following months, he was the first entrant into the Royal Rumble - a complete after thought in the match despite lasting 45 minutes. He followed that be being left off the EC card completely and spent WrestleMania season working a program wherein he complained that he was being left off the card - before ultimately being placed in a 10-man tag filled with other guys who had no real spot on the roster.

So you can say his reign was a fluke, but you'd be wrong. He was over as anyone on the roster not named Cena. You can say he was overshadowed by Rock/Cena, and he was, but that's just ignoring that he maintained his main event status through the end of the year. And you can say that CM Punk took his spot, but that's ignoring that Miz was actually handed the 'anti-establishment' part of Punk's gimmick when he formed Awesome Truth.

The fact is that Miz lost his spot ONLY because Survivor Series didn't get the expected buyrate, and he took the fall for it.
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Old 09-22-2015, 02:11 PM
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I loved the Miz's WWE title reign it was..........AWWWWWWWWWWWWESOME!

Miz's title reign was NOT a fluke. Miz was the most over guy as champion. No one was more loved/hated than the Miz. The issue I had with Miz's run is the same issue I have with Rollins current run and that's the constant need of interference.

Miz 1st title defense was against JERRY LAWLER and he needed Riley and Cole to win. He then faced Orton twice after and won both due to inteference from Riley in their first match and Cm Punk in their second match. He would later go on to feud with Cena even winning the tag team championships with him at some point. But when it was time to face Cena at Wrestlemaniaone one-on-one he WON AGAIN DUE TO INTERFERENCE from the Rock.

It also didn't help when the champion is heading into Wrestlemania and the challenger is more focused on someone else rather than THE CHAMPION. Basically after building all that heat for the Miz they turned him into an afterthought. Heck Miz was booked more as a serious threat after his championship reign as apart of The Awesome Truth than he was as the top champion.
Even with all that I will explain (briefly) why I enjoyed Miz's title reign. Before Miz's reign it was Orton, Cena, Orton Cena, Sheamus, Cena, Orton, Sheamus, etc when the Miz came into the scene a breathe of fresh air. They pushed Miz using his best asset and that was his mic skills. Miz was entertainment something that had been missing in the last couple of champion reigns.
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People try and defend Miz by saying "He was over as a hated heel". There's a big difference between portraying a hated heel to good affect and being an annoying heel who's pushed to the moon causing people to hate the product.

He sucks, simple.
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The way I see it; Miz was a victim of bad writing, and nothing more.

Miz had a massive chip on his shoulder from being knocked around like a pinball by the locker room status quo while he was coming up, and this with his youthful vigor seemed to make Vince fall head over heels in love with him. I had read dirtsheets saying that even when Miz wasn't the World Champion, he was still being given World Champion accommodations on his travels with the WWE courtesy of Vince.

Miz was Champion, and the WWE had to work toward a program for Rock vs Cena involving Miz. WrestleMania comes around, and the doofus squad in the back decides to end the main event with a double countout, and a fluke pin on Cena after the match was reinstated. As the World Champion, Miz' legacy involves one of the worst WrestleMania main events in history. Not his fault, but that was the big moment they threw into his lap.

Since then; Miz has been looking pretty basic for a pro-wrestler, in that basic levels of creativity are all that are invested in him. He had a neat program with R-Truth, but I seem to recall Miz missing a few crucial spots. If I'm not mistaken; Miz was supposed to be in place to catch Truth during a PPV match and he was day dreaming somewhere else. I remember a battle royal on RAW where Miz was apparently demoted to Brad Maddox status, he was eliminated by Santino in that match.

It really doesn't help that the only movies that the WWE put Miz into are watered down sequels of the blatantly clichéd Marine series.

Miz has had some amazing promos and matches in his career, but his big moments were unforgettable for all the wrong reasons and there's not even any room for him in the mid-card these days. I wish him the best of luck, but won't hold my breath for a Miz IC title run.
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That reign was absolutely a fluke. It should NEVER have happened. Miz is great on the mic but he's average in the ring at best and was never believable in the role of anything further up than an annoying midcard heel. What he's doing right now is exactly where he should be. In the midcard doing annoying heel promos to generate negative reactions for the fans, thus making nearly anyone who stands up to him get a positive reaction. Remember when Alex Riley beat Miz up? Had that been anyone else the fan reaction would not have been much different.

I'll admit he has improved some.... but Miz should never have been anywhere near the WWE Championship. I always believed John Morrison should have gotten the big push over Miz when they split up. Miz's reign as WWE Champion saw some of the darkest times that the federation has ever been through in the past decade. A guy who is not believable whatsoever as the top guy defended the belt ON PAY-PER-VIEW against a 60+ year old announcer. That was a disagrace. Don't EVEN get me started on Wrestlemania 27. That show was a total disaster and it gave us the worst main event in Wrestlemania history, while the show itself overall is in the bottom 3 of all time alongside Wrestlemania 11 and 9. A big part of that is Miz walked in as the top guy, retained against JOHN CENA, at the biggest show of the year. Horrible. Just horrible.

Was it a fluke? Yes. A thousand times, yes.
I disagree 100% with everything stated here, but the one I really have to call out is "worst main event in WrestleMania history".

The Miz vs. John Cena was a mediocre match. And being mediocre, it was still infinitely better than Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns. That match was the absolute drizzling shits. The ONLY reason it's not looked at as the worst WrestleMania main event in history is because Seth Rollins cashing in left fans with a positive note, and because the rest of WM31 was incredible.
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First things first...i can't call a booked Title Run a fluke...if this was a real show and someone won via a roll up and lost it a night later, then i would say fluke, but since it's booked and it was booked for Miz to win, it wasnt a fluke.

now what Miz's title run was to me was them (WWE) building up The Miz and him taking the rope and going with it. he wasnt a bad champion, but honestly, he wasnt booked great either. i liked how he won his matches, but one of his opponents was Jerry Lawler. i felt WWE quit on Miz a bit too soon on his title run, but with that said, he wasnt great though as champion. his in ring skills were just ok to me, but he was great on that mic, 2nd or 3rd best in my book on the mic (behind Punk of course). his run is forgotten mainly due to who later had it. it's really hard to top what CM Punk did that summer. as for Miz now, i feel that his "Hollywood" gimmick is fine for mid card status or even tag team status (which i think Miz excels at), but i can't answer if it's main event worthy, however, i wouldn't hate seeing him on top again.
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