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Old 08-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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The Miz in my opinion is the most underrated Superstar in the entire WWE. The Miz is not widely liked on these forums on understand that, however the that still doesn't take away from the talents that he is. I believe a lot of people are still sore over the fact that he main evented a WrestleMania but quite frankly I believe he was given an opportunity and shined through that and continues to shine in the WWE. Now no doubt his face turn did him no favors however I still think he has all the talent, skill, and marketability to become a top WWE superstar once again.

One thing that I have always enjoyed about the Miz and also I find great about him is his move set. He uses a plethora of maneuvers that not only make his matches good but make the matches that he is in so much more interesting And the truth is it's just not the fact that he has the ability to hit certain moves it's how he does it. Notice when he does his running corner clothesline. He hits it and holds on to it for a moment either showing his cockiness when he's a heel or his pleasure of hitting his move when he's a face. His heel work and move set shatters that of his face move set however he is still extremely talented when he gets into the ring ad I feel this often goes unnoticed.

His realty TV background enhances his mic work and his in ring work. He is one of those people who knows how to work a crowd. People may not like him but he uses them to his advantage and can always cut solid promos. This is seen through him earning his Miz TV segments and having them constantly be the means of setting something up. Also watch his facial expressions inside the ring. He has the ability to show exactly how the match is going by the way he expresses himself. He usually is serious but when he has the advantage he is cheerful and when he's losing he looks in distress. As an entertainer and an actor Miz does indeed have some of the best quality work whether you like it or not.

The Miz puts in the "extra" effort. If you want to see a WWE superstar who does a ton of WWE things after the shows and live events it's the Miz. Whether attending a convention, a talk show, a signing, who is the WWE's go to guy the Miz. He always is a crowd pleaser knows how to connect and knows how to sell the WWE product. He's the host of Summerslam and whilst most wrestling fans (myself included) are not looking forward to this because it will take away from in-rig time, I truly believe he will do the best he can to entertain the masses.

Wrestlezone, I understand that there's a wound given to a lot of wrestling fans that hasn't healed because he main evented Mania. There's a wound that can't go away because he's a "poor man's Rick Flair." However Wrestlezone, The Miz is far greater then what he gets credit for. He constantly does his best and tries his hardest to entertain. Is he the most underrated? That's debatable. But does he deserve more credit then he gets?

Absolutely.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:26 PM
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I've generally liked The Miz for quite a long time and I was a big supporter of Miz during his run as WWE Champion. I think he's someone that's gotten a MASSIVE amount of undeserved hate from the IWC and his wrestling ability, or lack thereof in the minds of some, is grossly exaggerated. I think Miz is a lot smoother overall now inside the ring than he ever has been and his matches generally, to me at least, have a much better pace. While it doesn't do any particularly flashy moves, his move set is pretty solid all in all. The guy can also talk on the mic and I always dug the fact that he didn't try to be the tweener or the cool heel that the smarks all like to cheer for. He was able to come off as an annoying, arrogant heel that was easy to dislike. I also believe his WWE Championship run has been the subject of a pretty noticeable double standard when comparing it to a more recent World Championship reign. For instance, a LOT of posters harped on Miz constantly cheating or whatever to hold onto the title, which is kind of what heels do, yet praised the TNA World Heavyweight Championship reign of Bobby Roode even though Roode was booked in very much the same way; having to constantly cheat to hold onto his title. The cheating doesn't bother me in the least because, as I alluded to earlier, it's what heels do. They're not supposed to stand up, forthright people who walk the straight & narrow; it just irks me to see one guy get slammed for it because he isn't an internet darling while another wrestler that is more of an internet favorite is praised for operating in much the same way as champion.

That being said, I'm not nearly as much into Miz as I once was. In the grand scheme of things, Miz is about 90% the same character as a babyface that he was as a heel. He just hasn't really connected with me as a face because he still comes off like a smarmy, ultra cocky, obnoxious little bastard. I'm just sort of burned out on that aspect of Miz and would have liked to have seen him take on a somewhat more traditional babyface role. The Miz no longer behaves in a cowardly manner but, then again, babyfaces aren't supposed to.

I don't think that Miz will be WWE or World Heavyweight Champion again anytime soon, if ever. IF, and I repeat IF, what I've read in some various reports/rumors are true, then Triple H is someone that's never been a huge fan of Miz in the main event spot. As Triple H is someone who obviously is gaining a lot of power, has a lot of influence and will almost certainly be the man in charge at some point down the road; I don't think Miz has much of a future as a main eventer. In a few months, he'll only be 33 years old and he's still a young man; but you can look at WWE as a whole from its developmental programs to the main roster and tell that the landscape is slowly, but surely, changing. I think it's a change that will result in Miz ultimately remaining in the mid-card scene, possibly into the tag team picture with maybe an occasional main event appearance; but not as a top headliner.
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:43 PM
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Totally disagree, he "was" the most underrated superstar for a long while but now he's just a nobody. Hasn't done anything since his main event at WrestleMania which imo was the pinnacle of his career and it's only downhill from there, he will fade into obscurity or just keep going as a Jericho like doing his in ring show once in a while and that's it.

He worked better as a heel, even with Ric Flair's "backing" it has done nothing for him.
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I've been a big fan of the Miz, I have several of his shirts, even bought the WWE title after he won it from Randy Orton. It's a shame to hear that Triple H isn't high on him since he's in charge of Talent now, but Miz has overcome the entire locker room not being high on him and being kicked out of it at one point on his way to being the face of the Company in 2010-11. I think with some additions to his game, improvement on the figure-4, maybe (with their being talks of Flair returning to WWE) having Ric in his corner and working with him for a while, he could get back into the main event picture and stay there. his resume is impressive enough as is, but I'd love for him to add a few more world titles to it.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:32 PM
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Totally disagree, he "was" the most underrated superstar for a long while but now he's just a nobody.
I'm curious on how you can support this statement. I realize the rest of the post is detailing his "kayfabe" career but I'm just curious in your eyes on how you can go from being most underrated and change into simply a nobody. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong I just don't quite understand. The way I view the situation is that if someone is underated the only way they can change that is with the following two scenarios.

1) If they go from underrated to people viewing him as they should

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2) If he loses skill in general and is no longer worthy of a rating

Now seeing as we have established that nobody now thinks higher of him I'd suppose you'd be more of a supporter of scenario two. Now my question for you is in now does moving down the rungs in "kayfabe" WWE storylines diminish his talents in anyway. Cause if they don't then therefore he still probably deserves his underrated title. And as I have said and Jack-Hammer said he's still pretty much the same character and uses pretty much the same moves albeit I enjoy the mannerisms he uses in his moves more as a heel. So I guess to summarize I ask you does being moved down in the card diminish his talent and if not then how does it change him from underrated to nobody.

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Hasn't done anything since his main event at WrestleMania which imo was the pinnacle of his career and it's only downhill from there, he will fade into obscurity or just keep going as a Jericho like doing his in ring show once in a while and that's it.
It's funny that you equate him to Jeriho in this post. You mention his career has been on a downfall and yet say he'll end up like Jericho. The reason I find it intriguing is because I'd say several people including myself would enjoy another Jericho title run, and I think even more people would say that they have been extremely impressed with Jericho's recent work. So I'm not sure equating hi to Jericho is helping prove your point. If he truly is on Jericho's level then I'd say he's extremely underrated. (I don't think of him as a Jericho equivalent by the way.)

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I think everyone would agree he was a better heel but still I argue that none of his skills have gone down and simply his character gets less of a WWE positive response. However skill wise I think he still is pretty much the same. Therefore he's still underrated. But feel free to discuss like I said I'm not attaking your point as much as I am curious to see how'd you defend.
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He's a hard worker and his in ring skills aren't horrible by any means, but I still feel he has this aura around him that makes him seem very..I don't know what it is, the type of person who people don't take seriously. And to me, it feels like he believes he's better than he really is.

He's always quoting the same stuff about winning at WM, yet he's barely don't squat since then, especially anything main event. I just find it strange what Vince and Co. saw in him and yet people who have way more talent in the ring and on the mic, like Ziggler should be in the position he was in. Go figure.

I'll be thankful when Vince finally steps down and Triple H can hopefully assume much more creative control. He'll see the potential in many young wrestlers and actually reward them, instead of teasing them or giving them a push with a horrible gimmick and then burying them.
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The Miz has gotten a heck of a lot better over the past few years inside the ring & I agree that he has a very good moveset. He does also seem to have a pretty good grasp of the psycology, like you stated with the example of him holding the pose in the corner after his running clothesline. But I have a few problems withe The Miz:

1.) Mic Work (Specifically Commentary): I'd argue his reality TV background has actually hurt him in someways with mic work. He is VERY cliche, repeats himself very often & has a flat out annoying way of speaking & cutting promos IMO. & he is a million times worse on commentary, adding nothing & sometimes distracting from the product. It worked alright when he was a heel because it was so very annoying but never really in the good way in the first place, so now as a babyface it's almost unbearable. Which leads me to my next point...

2.) Face Turn: THE MIZ AS A BABYFACE DOESN'T WORK!!! The whole entire character of the Miz is meant to be annoying, brash, self centered, egotistical, etc. EVERYTHING a babyface isn't, that's why he got over as a heel. & what's even weirder to me is that he didn't really have an official face turn. WWE barely even changed anything about him. He is still annoying & pulls somewhat heel tactics at times. Completely illogical.

3.) Look/Size: Let me preface by saying I have always been a fan of the smaller or how I prefer to describe them, the more natural looking guys. I've have never been a big fan of the meat heads that look all roided up. Since childhood they have never appealed to me. But with that being said, by biggest problem with The Miz is that it is almost impossible for me to take him seriously as an in-ring competitor. The Miz looks like a girly, little, metrosexual boy that would start balling from a broken finger nail. When he get's in their with anyone even close to bigger than him, he looks like he should be squashed like a fly. He just looks like the farthest thing from a tough wrestler. Even characters like Rico & Goldust I had no time taking seriously as wrestlers but Miz looks like he belongs in some second rate modeling school.

So sorry but I believe The Miz belongs in his current role. The Miz is the new (& slightly improved) Josh Matthews.
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I think Miz was a good mid-card heel, his stuff with John Morrison was a lot of fun and even his US title run was decent. I think he was out of his depth as a main eventer though and he sucks as a face. In the ring he's solid so his matches are ok, but they are taking away what he does best when he's not allowed to be the odious and obnoxious chickenshit that fits him so well with that fratboy rape face.

I actually think his current role as an all round entertainer and mostly PR specialist is the ideal use of him at this point.
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I'm sorry, but Miz was just a fall guy at Wrestlemania 27. And almost anyone on the WWE roster, who went into that match as WWE Champion was doomed for failure afterwards. Don't believe me? What was the closing segment on Raw the next night? Did it involve the WWE Champion? No. It was all about Cena VS Rock for Wrestlemania 28.

The focus of the main event at Mania 27 was for Rock to get revenge on Cena for the AA on the previous Raw. And what better way for revenge than to cost Cena the WWE Championship in the main event at Wrestlemania? I sincerely believe WWE could've plugged another mid-card level heel into that match. With the Raw briefcase and the right build, another heel could've "defended" the WWE Championship against Cena, because WWE had to work a Rock run-in into the match.

Taker and HHH were fighting over the streak, and Orton and Punk were in a match against each other. Orton was a face at the time, but if he was a heel, The Rock run-in wouldn't have hurt him that much, because Orton is a well-established star. Punk is a maybe, because he didn't drop the pipebomb just yet, so he wasn't at that level.

Anyway, back to Miz. His run as WWE Champion was forgettable at best. Sure, as with damn near everyone, who cashes in a MITB briefcase, you had the shocking moment of Miz winning the title, and the prune face from the little girl. But seriously think back to Miz's WWE Title reign. Besides the cash-in and the little girl, what else is worth remembering?

Not only did he plateau a while ago, but that face turn was the death of Miz. WWE REALLY forced it, and they didn't give the fans a chance to make up their minds. On top of that, Miz didn't really change. He kept the same mannerisms. The only difference is he toned down being such a dick a little bit. That's it. Plus, the Figure Four stuff and Flair didn't do him any favors. And since then, Miz has been floundering in the mid card with no real purpose at all.

I actually like Miz, but he's not main event material. Miz was exposed for having nothing else up his sleeve early on, and he hasn't been able to recover since then. WWE placing him in a "hosting" spot at Summerslam proves this.

Although, and I'm probably in the minority with this, but I think Miz is better off in non-wrestling roles. He presents himself well with the way he dresses, he's a good talker, he's sharp on commentary, and he's an entertaining host on Miz TV. Think back to his two segments with Heyman this year. There's the one with Lesnar during the build to HHH VS Lesnar II at Mania 29, and the one more recently on Smackdown. I can vividly remember both segments being the best non-wrestling parts of the show with Miz doing everything he could possibly do to push Heyman's buttons. Miz isn't getting anywhere near the WWE Championship or WHC anytime soon, and mid card titles won't do anything for him. So I honestly believe WWE should take a shot with a non-wrestling Miz, putting his wrestling career on the back burner for now.
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Rubbish, pointless thread. The Miz is good, but he sucks now because he is being restricted on the mic.
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