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Old 07-25-2013, 06:13 PM
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Default What if....Chris Benoit is innocent?

I know it is flogging a dead horse, and this story has endlessly be discussed, but, hypothetically, let's say that evidence were to emerge in the Chris Benoit murder case, which causes the case to be re-opened, and it leads to the possibility that Chris Benoit did not kill Nancy, Daniel and himself.

Now, even I think it is most likely he did do it, but there were no witnesses and no trial, only police investigation. But what if new evidence, unavailable at the time, clears Benoit? What would that mean for wrestling?

Let's pretend that it emerges that police find new evidence that reopens the case, and either it means Benoit didn't do it, or it points to an intruder, Kevin Sullivan etc.

What would that mean for his wrestling legacy? Would it be restored?

Would he be rushed into the Hall-Of-Fame, as a "make good" by WWE?

Would Benoit's parents and remaining family start suing people, considering how much their son's reputation was tarnished?

Would the media have to retract statements they made at the time, blaming WWE or wrestling in general, for the reason it happened?

Would Vince appear at the start of "Raw" apologizing to the Benoit family for the WWE's treatment of Benoit's memory, (removing him from DVD's etc), and acknowledge him? Would footage be restored of him? Would his footage be put back into DVD's?

Would WWE have a proper "Chris Benoit Tribute", with wrestlers reliving memories?

Would WWE go back to some of what they use to do, considering that WWE have tread carefully because of the whole Benoit scenario?

Would wrestling fans accept the change in the Benoit verdict, and embrace his memory, or still believe that he is guilty, despite what the law now would say?

You see, if this were to happen, Benoit is no longer not a murderer and monster, he would be a victim-(as the person who killed Nancy and Daniel would most likely have killed him too), but also a victim of poor policing, false accusation and public opinion. He would have lost his life, his family and his legacy. Now, if he did it, he deserves to lose it all. But if he didn't, his legacy at least would have to be restored.

(Please confine this discussion to the scenario posted above. This is not a discussion about Benoit's guilt or innocence, but a hypothetical about the possibility, however slight, that the cops got it wrong, and if so, what would that mean for Chris Benoit, and his standing in wrestling.

Don't say it couldn't happen. There are people in prison who are later exonerated, so you never know. It is doubtful, but not totally impossible).
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:19 PM
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I think this is a great idea for a thread. Considering there is probably at least a 50/50 shot that he was set up (Kevin Sullivan is a good possibility, I have John Cena as another prime suspect. We all know he isn't the kind of guy he's portrayed to be on TV) there needs to be a serious discussion about this.

If there truth were to come out that Benoit didn't do it(again, something I think is quite likely) there would be major changes. The media would have to answer to all the slandering and whatnot it did not only of Mr. Benoit, but the entire WWE. I expect some big lawsuits and some big payouts.

Popularity wise, it'll do wonders for the WWE. Old viewers would flock back and new ones would come in bushels once they see the WWE isn't about guys on roids who murder people. I would fully expect the WWE to at least double in popularity after Benoit is found innocent.

I could go on and on but when the truth comes out it really is going to be a gamechanger and people will look at WWE and the entire landscape of pro wrestling in a whole new light.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:26 PM
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I think this is a great idea for a thread. Considering there is probably at least a 50/50 shot that he was set up (Kevin Sullivan is a good possibility, I have John Cena as another prime suspect. We all know he isn't the kind of guy he's portrayed to be on TV) there needs to be a serious discussion about this.

If there truth were to come out that Benoit didn't do it(again, something I think is quite likely) there would be major changes. The media would have to answer to all the slandering and whatnot it did not only of Mr. Benoit, but the entire WWE. I expect some big lawsuits and some big payouts.

Popularity wise, it'll do wonders for the WWE. Old viewers would flock back and new ones would come in bushels once they see the WWE isn't about guys on roids who murder people. I would fully expect the WWE to at least double in popularity after Benoit is found innocent.

I could go on and on but when the truth comes out it really is going to be a gamechanger and people will look at WWE and the entire landscape of pro wrestling in a whole new light.
While I do agree with this, as I also buy into the John Cena theory but if he were to be found guilty that would be a gut-punch that the WWE just could not recover from, I think it's possible that WWE and possibly the authorities knew about this and went to extreme lengths to cover it up in order to protect their product.

I also think this was the best course of action, Chris Benoit should remain the fall-guy for the murder of himself and his family and then we can continue to enjoy high quality WWE television.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:30 PM
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This is an interesting topic. At first I thought it would be another ridiculous conspiracy theory, but it opens up for interesting debate.

Honestly, I think if it were to ever come out that it wasn't Benoit then nothing would change. Sure they'd probably re-include Benoit on DVDs and integrate him onto releases and such. But Vince is a proud bastard and there's no way after being embarrassed by first addressing Benoits death, then striking it from the record, that he (or anyone else for that matter) would go on TV and correct themselves.

They'd just simply continue to ignore Benoit unless they had to. It makes their life easier.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:32 PM
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While I do agree with this, as I also buy into the John Cena theory but if he were to be found guilty that would be a gut-punch that the WWE just could not recover from, I think it's possible that WWE and possibly the authorities knew about this and went to extreme lengths to cover it up in order to protect their product.

I also think this was the best course of action, Chris Benoit should remain the fall-guy for the murder of himself and his family and then we can continue to enjoy high quality WWE television.
Completely agree. Cena is too much of star, especially at this point, to take the fall. We at know the WWE has a lot of money at their disposal and certainly have the capability to pay off whoever they like.

In the end I suppose it all worked out. Cena continued to get his push to the top (surely Vince realized he needed to make him happy lest he got disgruntled a murdered another star he felt threatened by) and the WWE still is in pretty decent shape, despite the bad PR for awhile.

If Benoit's innocence was revealed at this point I guess it could do more harm than good as far as the company is concerned, especially with SummerSlam on the horizon.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:33 PM
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I think this is a great idea for a thread. Considering there is probably at least a 50/50 shot that he was set up (Kevin Sullivan is a good possibility, I have John Cena as another prime suspect. We all know he isn't the kind of guy he's portrayed to be on TV) there needs to be a serious discussion about this.

If there truth were to come out that Benoit didn't do it(again, something I think is quite likely) there would be major changes. The media would have to answer to all the slandering and whatnot it did not only of Mr. Benoit, but the entire WWE. I expect some big lawsuits and some big payouts.

Popularity wise, it'll do wonders for the WWE. Old viewers would flock back and new ones would come in bushels once they see the WWE isn't about guys on roids who murder people. I would fully expect the WWE to at least double in popularity after Benoit is found innocent.

I could go on and on but when the truth comes out it really is going to be a gamechanger and people will look at WWE and the entire landscape of pro wrestling in a whole new light.
Dear lord Jesus. Do you really believe that stuff or are we just role playing? If Benoit were set up (Which he wasn't. He's 100% guilty and that's a fact.) and it turned out to be another wrestle it would hurt the business even more. People have tried to put this behind them. Bringing it back to the forefront would not bring on this golden age you describe. Hell, Benoit was never popular enough to draw people in life so it's doubtful that he'd draw any better in death.
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I think it's quite a tough subject to discuss. You make some valid points but i think though you are being hypothetical, the evidence is pretty damning and IF there was to be some sort of inquest it would be the same result.

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Hypothetically, if Benoit was to be found Not Guilty it would open up so many doors for WWE marketing wise and respect wise. If WWE were to start acknowledging him, it would be seen as a bold move and would command respect. Also, if Benoit was in the clear think about how much many they could make from a DVD, or including him in a game or even being able to use him in video packages, it would automatically change the landscape. They could also start a foundation up in Benoit's honor because in his autopsy, murderer or not, the man did have severe brain injuries and his mental health couldn't have been in much good shape.

But would WWE change there stance on the issue ? It's been such a well documented thing that WWE might not want to get involved in it again because as i said its quite a tough situation.

Although there are many pros and cons, i think it would be interesting to see the IWC's stance on this thread as its such a very interesting topic.
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Dear lord Jesus. Do you really believe that stuff or are we just role playing?
The idea of the thread is to keep an open mind. I don't think anything I've put out there is too far fetched.

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There's no way you can know that with 100 percent certainty.

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I agree, after what Miko pointed out to me if it was another wrestler (Cena) the WWE would surely try and sweep it under the rug. I'm not saying it had to be another WWE wrestler that set him up. Hell, it could've been AJ Styles for all I know, in which case things are in the WWE's favor.

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I think it would. Like I said, if people had a new perspective on the WWE and saw it as a clean place without roids and murder/suicides popularity would at least double, likely triple, based on the numbers I've seen.

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The outcry of support for an innocent Benoit would certainly draw. Imagine all the merchandise that could be sold. It'd be incredible.
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The idea of the thread is to keep an open mind. I don't think anything I've put out there is too far fetched.



There's no way you can know that with 100 percent certainty.



I agree, after what Miko pointed out to me if it was another wrestler (Cena) the WWE would surely try and sweep it under the rug. I'm not saying it had to be another WWE wrestler that set him up. Hell, it could've been AJ Styles for all I know, in which case things are in the WWE's favor.



I think it would. Like I said, if people had a new perspective on the WWE and saw it as a clean place without roids and murder/suicides popularity would at least double, likely triple, based on the numbers I've seen.



The outcry of support for an innocent Benoit would certainly draw. Imagine all the merchandise that could be sold. It'd be incredible.

You don't think the idea that John Cena murdered Chris Benoit and his family is far fetched? Ok, agree to disagree. And what kind of new perspective would people get if the murders were caused by someone else in the business? All it would do is undermine all the PR work they've done since then by dragging it all up again. Forgive me, but this is all very scatter brained. And yes, there is a way to know with 100% certainty. It's called not being a dumb mark. This was an open and closed case. No rational person believes Benoit was innocent.
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Completely agree. Cena is too much of star, especially at this point, to take the fall. We at know the WWE has a lot of money at their disposal and certainly have the capability to pay off whoever they like.

In the end I suppose it all worked out. Cena continued to get his push to the top (surely Vince realized he needed to make him happy lest he got disgruntled a murdered another star he felt threatened by) and the WWE still is in pretty decent shape, despite the bad PR for awhile.
See, if you ask me, this is the perfect opportunity to turn Cena heel. All of the IWC smarks who turn out to boo Cena each night will have real fuel for their fire and the children who view Cena as a hero will now villainize Cena as a conspirator to murder. It's safe to say John Cena would draw some of the most, legitimate heat ever as a heel. If he's gonna go heel, may as well go all in. No better time than when WWE can take advantage of a real life situation such as this.

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