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Old 12-13-2013, 03:08 AM
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I've heard a lot of people talk about how much they liked the Championship Ascension ceremony. And while it was a fairly well done segment and the ending was pretty neat, I hated a lot of things about it, and most of it was John Cena spouting gibberish.

Now if you're someone who hates nitpicking and don't care if their protagonists are total bullshitters that lie through their teeth, then this thread isn't for you. Run along please, because I'm gonna try debunking every single piece of bullshit Cena spouted last Monday night. It's gonna be a long post, mostly due to the quotes, but here you go:

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You hear that? The reason they cheer for him is because he works and he earns it. A guy like you has been given every single thing in the WWE. I'm about to hit you in the face with some truth. Ever since you came to the WWE training center, you were untouchable. You were bulletproof. You couldn't be fired. Nobody can touch Randy Orton, because THEY liked you.
We'll never know how truthful that is, but if Cena is saying that being 3rd-generation makes you untouchable, that's ridiculous. Way too many multi-generational wrestlers have failed hard for that to be true. And frankly, if anyone is untouchable, it's Cena. He could take a piss in the ring on live TV and after a mini-hiatus, THE CHAMP WILL BE HEREEE 2 weeks later.

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And then you get to the WWE and what happens? You get sheltered by the best performer in the business. Nothing's changed, Randy. All you do is hide behind Triple H. All you do is hide behind Stephanie McMahon.
I'll let this one pass, because this is basically storyline. Yeah he's hiding behind Triple H and Stephanie NOW, but you would have to ignore that he was a total badass out on his own for the last 3 years. Still, I get why it's a fair point considering current circumstances.

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And you've got the balls to stand in this ring and say you are better than everybody here?? Say you're bigger than ALL OF THIS???
This is just a bullshit accusation considering Randy Orton NEVER said that. He never alluded to being better than the WWE, Orton said he was the Best Wrestler of his generation, that's it, and hell, Cena praised Punk a few minutes later for calling himself Best in the World. This was a ridiculous double-standard on his part.

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You have always blamed everybody else for your failures. You pointed fingers and you make excuses.
Says the guy who said on live TV that his matches (with Miz) sucked because he had to carry a green wrestler. The same guy who said Sheamus didn't really beat him because it was a "fluke". The one who is ALWAYS freaking crying about how his opponents are cheating and beating him instead of looking in the mirror and realizing he's the dumbass who keeps falling for it once a month.

Again, I know it's wrestling, but come on, Cena is MR. EXCUSE. If I had more time on my hands, I would cut up a video of all his "I was cheated" promos to drive the point home.

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You've had behavior problems IN THE RING. You've had behavior problems OUTSIDE the ring.
True point. Amy Webber, shitting in the bag, the dishonorable discharge, the trashed hotel room, the wellness policy violations, Randy has fucked up hard. But he even made a whole DVD where he took responsibility for it all. Sure, you can keep heckling him for his past mistakes, but it just rings untrue considering they're not relevant to his character today.

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And the sad thing is, the TLC match this Sunday is the biggest in WWE history. That's why everybody is here tonight. This changes the very course in WWE. But you want these championships because you're selfish. Because you feel you deserve it.
Now this is the one that just most PISSES ME OFF. Cena randomly decided one day that it didn't make any sense for WWE to have 2 world champions so he challenged Orton to a unification match for no practical reason whatsoever. And ORTON is the selfish one?? Well of course Orton wants to WIN, that's what everyone wants, but to say he's selfish when Cena is the one who proposed to hoard all the titles for himself is absurd.

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And maybe, just maybe, if you hold onto this you can finally walk around the rest of the superstars and say HEY GUYS, LOOK, I'M FINALLY WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TEN YEARS AGO.
I don't get this point at all. 10 years ago on 12/13/03, he kicked RVD's ass for the IC title at Armageddon to begin one of the most solid reigns in that championship's history. He was on his way to being one of the top guys, and six months later, he won the World title to become the youngest champion in WWE history. How was he a failure 10 years ago?? That's some mighty bullshit.

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Every single time, I have held either of these championships, my business card reads the same, If you want some, Come Get some. And here is the real truth. Whether these guys in the ring like me or not, they respect me because they know it. Whether it's Triple H, or Shawn Michales in a WrestleMania match. Whether it's Booker T...
Questionable re-writing of history. Bryan said he wouldn't even slap him before their match because he DOESN'T respect him. Shawn Michaels refused to shake his hand at WrestleMania because he was pissed (LEGIT, and eventually part of kayfabe as well). I could go on, but almost everyone in that ring has had a "I don't respect you" promo geared at Cena.

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Hell, nobody wanted to give Dolph Ziggler a chance. What did I do? I said let's fight.
First off, Dolph had a bunch of golden title matches against both Punk and Edge before he ever stepped foot in the ring with Cena. And when Cena did "give him a chance", he forced him to put his MitB title (which he fought tooth and nail for and won fair and fucking square) shot on the line after Cena foolishly lost his. That's "giving him a chance"? Oh please.

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Everybody said it was a bad idea to give CM Punk a championship match when he was going to leave the WWE; all I saw was the best in the world.
They said it was a bad idea because they thought Cena was going to lose. To prove he wouldn't, Cena even put his career on the line, and he still lost. He then pussied out on the stipulation and stayed with WWE anyway. What a champ.

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Hell, the only legitimate championship shot Daniel Bryan has ever had was against ME and he WON! So I'll say it right here in front of your home town, if I win on Sunday, I look forward to the rematch, a FAIR rematch.
What do these 4 events have in common?
December 2nd Smackdown (2011)
Tables, Ladders and Chairs (2011)
Extreme Rules (2012)
Money in the Bank (2012)

Would it be that they all featured LEGITIMATE world championship opportunities for the one and only Daniel Bryan? Yeah, thought so. And frankly, Cena is in total denial when he says that his match with Bryan was legitimate. Triple H was guest referee and was going to screw whoever won anyway. No different than the rest of his matches, where Triple H always had a plan to screw him over.

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See, that's what being a champion is all about: A certain level of respect. And last week, I wasn't going to take you out, I just wanted to make a statement: That when the chips are down I can be just as brutal as you. So right now, I'm gonna make one more statement because I know exactly what this means. This Sunday will be physical, and it will be brutal, and I will BE at my very best. I just hope you are too. Because after this Sunday, the last thing anyone is going to want to deal with is just another Randy Orton excuse. Good luck on Sunday, you're gonna need it. 
Yeah the last thing anyone wants is a Randy Orton excuse, but don't worry, once Triple H screws Cena, the Cena excuses will be running wild!! Even if it doesn't happen, it will only take a few weeks for someone to do everything they can to win right under Cena's nose and for Cena to balk at them for fluking their way to victory instead of blaming himself for falling for it.
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Old 12-13-2013, 04:29 AM
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i liked the ceremony segment except for cenas promo for the same reason as the OP and triple h giving orton the pedigree.
I mean seriously how dumb is he, orton got pushed into stephanie " oh snap better attack him because its totally his fault". if you watch the replay triple h clearly saw that daniel bryan pushed orton into her.
i know its for storyline purposes but come on. couldnt cena have tried to hit the AA on orton and have orton escape and looking shocked on the outside of the ring while the authority and cena tended to stephanie?
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I'm glad someone else agrees with me about Cena' s promo. I have been in quite the argument on another site about this very thing. Cena saying he is the only guy to give Bryan, Punk, and Ziggler is ridiculous. They all had shots at titles way before they got to Cena. In fact, they were all either WWE or World Champion before having shots against Cena.

This promo was Cena doing what he does best, making it seem like he is the only one who is important and a star. Sure, the intensity is there that you like to see, but having him take credit for everyone's success is preposterous.
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Old 12-13-2013, 05:39 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, DB has been the new face of the company since August and the fans all around the world think so too, except the brainwashed kiddies, yet some of them even are jumping aboard the DB express. Vince might not want to acknowledge how popular DB is, but to the people, he's the real face of the company and Cena is irrelevant...I tune out when he talks. Its all cheap heat any way. Guys like DB don't have to resort to that.
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Old 12-13-2013, 06:27 AM
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I don't think it really matters what Cena said, only that people bought into it, and it got the anti-Cena crowd behind him, and against Randy Orton. Which is pretty important, because going into that promo, the Washington crowed cared a lot more about Daniel Bryan than the titles being unified. Cena is a babyface. Orton is a heel. The Authority he is hiding behind are heels (supposedly). If whatever he says gets people on his side, draws heat on the bad guy, and gets the crowd into the angle, fine. Is it slightly hypocritical to suggest that he's not untouchable? Maybe. Is it ridiculous that he claims he's worked harder than Randy Orton? No. Not at all. Have you seen the amount of work he's put in?
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I think you are reading too much into the promo. It is ok whatever he or anyone says as long as the overall impact of the segment is huge.

And the impact WAS huge..

What u fail to get is that even though what Cena said was probably wrong, in the eyes of a casual viewer, it got ppl like Bryan, Punk and the rest huge over with the crowd..

Even though u and I know the facts, everyone doesn't..

Becauseit doesn't matter if it is a Lie or the Truth if it makes an impact..
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For the life of me, I do not understand why people feel the need to overthink some things. John Cena's promo did exactly what it was supposed to do in that it generated dislike for Randy Orton among some fans. Heels are supposed to be disliked, they're supposed to be characters that fans aren't sympathetic towards.

It doesn't matter what the actual facts are because this isn't an actual feud, nor is it going to be an actual fight. It astounds me that people keep trying to take aspects of pro wrestling storylines, something that they know is scripted, yet complain when some aspects don't stack up to 100% reality. Even though Randy Orton is as human as everyone else in the real world, his character is that of a selfish, entitled, sociopathic ego-maniac. For the purposes of selling the match between him & Cena at TLC, Cena said exactly the right things to rile people up, to generate intensity between himself & Orton and just happened to put other top wrestlers over at the same time in order to further sway the crowds. As usual, it worked. When Cena's in the zone he was in this past Monday, he can cut promos with the very best of them and gets people jacked up.

Stop tryin' to overthink this stuff by constantly trying to apply real world logic to every single aspect of a fictional sport. That doesn't mean that you're supposed to like everything, of course, but dissecting the actual "truth" and complaining when it's not represented in a fictional storyline only succeeds in sabotaging your own enjoyment. Dirtsheet writers are often guilty of the same thing, only it's compounded by a lot of them playing armchair booker who get upset when they see something going down that doesn't fit what they'd do.
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I agree entirely with the OP and I'm glad someone finally said it because on the other thread all they do is give cena all of this credit and praising him for turning a crowd. All he did was suck up using Bryan and others that have got over to his favor. I know it's fake but Cena always tries to merge in truth with lies and it's annoying as many others dont have that opportunity. Anyways agreed with OP and finally we get to say our side of this without being pummeled by hoards of Cena fans
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Are some people not aware of the fact that kayfabe exists? I mean, we have this ridiculous situation where internet smarks analyse every single Cena promo as if it's real life.

'But oh, guess what! Some of the things he said aren't really true, and it's all unfair to Randy Orton, and he's had loads of opportunities himself, and he's stealing Bryan's heat, and Bryan had title matches before Summerslam and this, and that, and I hate John Cena!'

You would think that this was the first time anyone bent the truth a little in pro wrestling. Is it really hard to understand that this is a TV show? Cena has a big match with Orton on PPV so he cuts a promo to try and emphasise the differences between them and play up their rivalry. He does it very well and the fans were into it. He's trying to sell the PPV. How hard is that to understand? Sometimes it's hard to tell who are supposed to be the marks, because for all the criticism of children and female fans we get on here, plenty of posters seem to take what they see on screen a lot more seriously than they do.
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I don't think it really matters what Cena said, only that people bought into it, and it got the anti-Cena crowd behind him, and against Randy Orton. Which is pretty important, because going into that promo, the Washington crowed cared a lot more about Daniel Bryan than the titles being unified.
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John Cena's promo did exactly what it was supposed to do in that it generated dislike for Randy Orton among some fans. Heels are supposed to be disliked, they're supposed to be characters that fans aren't sympathetic towards.

The promo served it's purpose; getting a face reaction from a very pro-DB crowd. This is the go-home show and this promo had to solidify Cena as the face and Orton as the heel.

If I had to question any part of the promo it is that at times it felt very smarky, and as if it was addressed to the IWC. The references to behaviour outside the ring were probably unnecessary and while the reference to backing Bryan made sense due to how over he is, name-dropping Ziggler (a guy who isn't even on the TLC show) reeked of appealing to the IWC. I was almost surprised he didn't mention Ryder, although even the majority on here have stopped caring about him.

In summary; Face praises faces, questions Heel's passion/ability, the world keeps turning. This promo was nothing new.
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