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Old 12-09-2012, 05:50 AM
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I was watching "Impact" this week, and it had Aces & Eights partying with hot girls. D-Von was receiving a lapdance, the A & 8 leader stuck money down a girl's top, and it showed one girl giving the other a lapdance (HLA).

Later that night, both Velvet Sky and Brooke Hogan came down to the ring, showing a lot of cleavage (thank you!).

It got me thinking. All I ever read about on this site is people bitching and moaning about wanting the "Attitude Era" back. Apparently, people don't watch WWE now, because it is PG. Linda McMahon's Senate campaign has made sure "Attitude" won't be back in WWE for a long time.

TNA likes to copy WWE. They sign up anybody who leaves WWE.

So, why doesn't TNA do what WWE won't, and have their own "Attitude Era"? Cursing, beer-drinking, Bra-& -Panties Matches, controversial storylines etc.

TNA should go for rauch, controversy, and violence. Use blood constantly on PPV, make the Knockouts Division strong by having Bra-&-Panties matches and Knockouts Hardcore Matches. ODB should get the KO title, and act like a female "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

Use the cage more, use tables often. I would use this Bully Ray-Hogan tension as the start of things. Bully should become champion, and be a defiant rebel, who does things his own way, while Hogan tries to pull him back into line.

There should be storylines which are very controversial, and haven't been done since the "Attitude Era", or ECW. Have the "Attitude Era" return, and its new home is TNA. TNA should try to beat WWE at its own game.

I think that this is the best way to compete with WWE, who are appealing to PG TV. TNA should be more R-rated TV, and give the wrestling fans things that WWE won't anymore.

Unless Dixie Carter is running for the Senate, there is no reason for TNA to not go down this path. At least they may capture the disillusioned WWE fans, who won't watch WWE anymore, but did when "Attitude" was alive.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:31 AM
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I completely agree with everything except one thing. That thing being that Hogan should just be taken off tv. A bit of attitude is great. Half naked girls, ass whoopings, and blood really do help make it less embarassing to be a wrestling fan. The only thing is if they go to "all out" with the edginess and really do start promoting how edgy they are, people will start complaining that they are just doing it to get at WWE.

In my opinion they should use these things, but use them wisely, and only when they can be used to their advantage. For example, the use of blood in the Storm-Roode match at BFG added a very nice touch. However should people start bleeding at every PPV the effect might wear off pretty fast. Bad language is another example. In some particularly intense or emotional promos, the odd bad word could really help add a fire to them. However if wrestlers start throwing out F's and S's and B's all over the place then it might start getting a little cringey.

Overall they must use a little edginess, but not abuse it. Concentrate on good story lines, and good matches and use this attitude to help create them, as opposed to basing you're show on having attitude, and violence, and boobs.
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I was watching "Impact" this week, and it had Aces & Eights partying with hot girls. D-Von was receiving a lapdance, the A & 8 leader stuck money down a girl's top, and it showed one girl giving the other a lapdance (HLA).

Later that night, both Velvet Sky and Brooke Hogan came down to the ring, showing a lot of cleavage (thank you!).

It got me thinking. All I ever read about on this site is people bitching and moaning about wanting the "Attitude Era" back. Apparently, people don't watch WWE now, because it is PG. Linda McMahon's Senate campaign has made sure "Attitude" won't be back in WWE for a long time.

TNA likes to copy WWE. They sign up anybody who leaves WWE.

So, why doesn't TNA do what WWE won't, and have their own "Attitude Era"? Cursing, beer-drinking, Bra-& -Panties Matches, controversial storylines etc.

TNA should go for rauch, controversy, and violence. Use blood constantly on PPV, make the Knockouts Division strong by having Bra-&-Panties matches and Knockouts Hardcore Matches. ODB should get the KO title, and act like a female "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

Use the cage more, use tables often. I would use this Bully Ray-Hogan tension as the start of things. Bully should become champion, and be a defiant rebel, who does things his own way, while Hogan tries to pull him back into line.

There should be storylines which are very controversial, and haven't been done since the "Attitude Era", or ECW. Have the "Attitude Era" return, and its new home is TNA. TNA should try to beat WWE at its own game.

I think that this is the best way to compete with WWE, who are appealing to PG TV. TNA should be more R-rated TV, and give the wrestling fans things that WWE won't anymore.

Unless Dixie Carter is running for the Senate, there is no reason for TNA to not go down this path. At least they may capture the disillusioned WWE fans, who won't watch WWE anymore, but did when "Attitude" was alive.
1. TNA needs cursing - you must've missed 2010 and 2011 TNA. You were probably taking a piss when Angle went on a curse fiesta on Hogan and threatened he'd call up Vince "right now". Or maybe you should watch more carefully during Pay-Per-Views when either Roode or Aries would squirt out the occasional "fuck" or "shit" on TV. Not to mention that Scott Steiner was on their roster. End of story.

2. They need more beer-drinking - if you mean literally, say hello to James Storm. Since this dude split with Bobby Roode, beer bottles have been flying around the Impact Barn Zone. If you mean attitude wise, again, watch James Storm. He's your beer drinker type. Or Bully Ray or Kid Kash. When Stone Cold was around he was one of the few "beer drinker" type badasses. That's how it's supposed to be. Otherwise it's overkill.

3. Bra and Panties matches - they don't have those but they really don't need them. Why? It's not 1998, son! The Internet is FULL of porn. All kinds. Naked chicks are literally 3-4 clicks away. There's nothing controversial about showing a woman in her bikini these days. It would be if she was naked with a dildo up her ass and none of it was censored.

4. Controversial Storylines - All I'll say is this: AJ Styles was accused of banging Dixie Carter but they were protecting a pregnan crack whore who tried to prove that AJ is the father of her crack baby.

Not enough?

Jeff Jarrett and Karen Angle used Kurt Angle's kids as leverage in a storyline. Not too bad, except that Karen Angle is Kurt's ex-wife and them kids you saw were Kurt's ACTUAL children and that was probably the situation in real life - Kurt not seeing them all the time and Jeff being their new 'daddy'.

Fact is, TNA's been controversial and edgy and whatnot for 3 years now. If not more. You had tons of blood with Flair and Abyss around, you have Attitude with Aries, Bully, Storm, Roode and even Daniels. You have sexy, dirty stuff with the women now and then. You have controversial storylines.

In the end, it's done what? Absolutely nothing. And no, not because people are "over" the Attitude Era. They're not. It's because the landscape of modern Television has changed. Back in the 90's you didn't have a lot of cursing, blood and sex on TV. Wrestling did and it was different. THAT'S why it was successful. Not because it was blood and boobs, but because blood and boobs were DIFFERENT.

Showing blood and boobs now will do nothing. I can switch over to Breaking Bad and see all the blood and gore I want. If I'm not satisfied I can watch the Walking Dead and damn near puke with a fucking smile on my face. If I want boobs I can find porn on the Internet or just switch to the Disney channel, plenty of whores there. Controversy? One of the aforementioned shows should do.

TNA is in a slump not because they're not doing enough "edgy" stuff, but because the scale of their content does not allow them to increase the edginess. Let's fucking face it, no one likes kid shit, PG crap and basically WWE's bullshit. People want edgy, they want new, they want unique and they want shocking. Look at the top shows on TV and you'll know what I mean. Add to that a good dialogue, stories, production and you got yourself a hit TV show in 2012.

Wrestling can't do that. At the end of the day it's a TV show with its own boundaries. If writers had people killed on TV it wouldn't make sense. If they had SUPER edgy storylines it wouldn't make sense because of wrestling's inherent cheesiness. If they had boobs it wouldn't work.

Essentially, wrestling is one-upped in those departments by modern Television and that's a fact. Until wrestling finds a way to produce content that comes close or AT LEAST matches the different qualities of the top shows on TV, both WWE and TNA can forget about getting out of the respectives slumps they are in. People want good Television, regardless of genre. Wrestling is not providing it, thus wrestling is dying.

I see wrestling as this delusional macho dude who walks around pointing at the tattoo on his triceps, saying "fuck" a lot and acting like a rebel. What this fella doesn't realize is that THIS behavior was edgy and rebellious in the 90's and before that. Elvis Presley shaking his hips in the 50's was considered dirty to the point where Ed Sullivan would shoot him only fromt he waist up. What wrestling's trying to do is shake its hips in 2012, think it's rebellious and sexual, while every other musician out there is performing half naked, licking marmallade off some chick's firm tits while they're both on fire.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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Yeah, I call bullshit on this. The OP's idea of edgy & controversial content is made up entirely of outdated cliches that haven't been edgy or controversial since about 2000.

In this day and age, wrestlers who swear every other word aren't controversial. Women who run around scantily clad and behaving slutty isn't considered controversial. Guys who drink beer on television isn't controversial. Bra & Panty matches aren't considered controversial. Why? Well, look at shows like Breaking Bad or Sons of Anarchy or American Horror Story or the Walking Dead. The VAST majority of the Attitude Era content is damn near G rated compared to most of the stuff on those shows.

TNA tried it's own little revival of the Attitude Era a couple of years ago and it resulted in some of the lowest quality programming they've ever had. Remember when Lacey Von Erich did her "strip tease" in the ring? Nobody gave a damn and nobody would give a damn if they tried it today.

The entire landscape of television as a whole has changed a lot in the past 15 years. In the late 90s, you had shows that were doing stuff that hadn't been done before. Shows like NYPD Blue regularly featured nudity and significant swearing, Ally McBeal had a few episodes of women passionately making out, Jerry Springer was the undisputed king of the talk show world, WWE Raw featured all the blood & swearing & bra and panty matches you could want. Today, the content of such shows has become either fairly common place or just not all that interesting.

In this day and age, It's extremely difficult for shows to do things that are legitimately edgy. Frankly, television censors won't allow things to go any further than they already have. And things that generate legitimate controversy, and I mean controversy that creates buzz & debate while making people genuinely uncomfortable, simply isn't wanted on a large scale. Look what happened on Raw a few weeks ago with Paul Heyman & CM Punk made fun of Jerry Lawler the night he returned to Raw after suffering a heart attack a few months back. That segment generated genuine outrage, discomfort and heated debate all over the internet. It was easily the most genuinely controversial wrestling segment on television in years. Dave Meltzer probably shit a solid gold brick and WWE is pretty much guaranteed to win his WON waward for Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic for it.

I personally enjoyed the crap out of it and had no problem with it as Lawler himself had no problem with it and, reportedly, gave his consent to do it several weeks earlier. For a lot of people, they took it on a very personal level for some reason. Some who've lost friends or family members to heart attacks stretched the segment to where they felt like it was an insult to them. "My grandma died of a heart attack. They're making fun of a guy who suffered a heart attack, therefore they're making fun of my dead grandma."

If TNA wants to do something that's legitimately edgy, I've got no problem with that but a lot of outdated crap like we saw during the Attitude Era won't get it done.
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I would love this but one problem that would get in the way is Bischoff is not a fan of using blood in matches.
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I was watching "Impact" this week, and it had Aces & Eights partying with hot girls. D-Von was receiving a lapdance, the A & 8 leader stuck money down a girl's top, and it showed one girl giving the other a lapdance (HLA).

Later that night, both Velvet Sky and Brooke Hogan came down to the ring, showing a lot of cleavage (thank you!).

It got me thinking. All I ever read about on this site is people bitching and moaning about wanting the "Attitude Era" back. Apparently, people don't watch WWE now, because it is PG. Linda McMahon's Senate campaign has made sure "Attitude" won't be back in WWE for a long time.

TNA likes to copy WWE. They sign up anybody who leaves WWE.

So, why doesn't TNA do what WWE won't, and have their own "Attitude Era"? Cursing, beer-drinking, Bra-& -Panties Matches, controversial storylines etc.

TNA should go for rauch, controversy, and violence. Use blood constantly on PPV, make the Knockouts Division strong by having Bra-&-Panties matches and Knockouts Hardcore Matches. ODB should get the KO title, and act like a female "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

Use the cage more, use tables often. I would use this Bully Ray-Hogan tension as the start of things. Bully should become champion, and be a defiant rebel, who does things his own way, while Hogan tries to pull him back into line.

There should be storylines which are very controversial, and haven't been done since the "Attitude Era", or ECW. Have the "Attitude Era" return, and its new home is TNA. TNA should try to beat WWE at its own game.

I think that this is the best way to compete with WWE, who are appealing to PG TV. TNA should be more R-rated TV, and give the wrestling fans things that WWE won't anymore.

Unless Dixie Carter is running for the Senate, there is no reason for TNA to not go down this path. At least they may capture the disillusioned WWE fans, who won't watch WWE anymore, but did when "Attitude" was alive.
While I agree that the Attitude Era was an awesome time in Wrestling, I don't think that we need to try to revive every part of wrestling history. Plus over the course of the last several years TNA has been a little more edgy then the WWE.

1. TNA has used blood for many of years. While they've cut down on it recently that is a good thing to me. The use of blood in every match and week in and week out takes away from the feeling. When it was used in the Storm/Roode BFG Match it gave the feeling that both men truely hated the other and they'd do anything to hurt the other. They could use blood in a match to help get a more ruthless member of the roster over but week in and week out is pointless.

2. It was previously mentioned that TNA doesn't need the constant sex and I agree. While sex in wrestling during the attitude era was awesome I was also around 13 years old and sex in anything was awesome. You're excited over Velvet Sky and Brooke Hogan showing clevage. Dude when Velvet was around before her release she always showed some clevage and some booty. If you're really wanting sex in wrestling and Bra and Panties checkout Ringdivas.com, WEW Wrestling, MLW Womens wrestling or just browse youtube and you're needs will be met.

3. James Storm reminds me of Stone Cold. Does he need to be exactly like Steve Austin? NO!!!

4. Bully Ray should become Champion and a defiant rebel... WHY???
Bully Ray has done things his own way since he became a singles wrestler. He's been defiant and he's done things on his own watch.

Again why do they need to revive the Attitude Era? TNA needs to be original just like WWE needs to be. TNA needs to consentrate on producing good storylines and growing their fanbase. The blood needs to be used when it matters to give a big match that more special feel. The cage being used all the time is similar to the blood being used all the time it's just Pointless.
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I'm just sitting here reading this and laughing my ass off! TNA needs attitude? What the hell do you think you're watching when you turn on Impact now,Sesame Street?

This thread is just a prime example of a WWE fan who hasn't watched much TNA wanting them do what the WWE isn't and that's to bring back his childhood.TNA has all the attitude it needs without doing what the WWE did.

And Zeven Zion TNA is in no slump,Because you don't like it doesn't mean everybody else feels the same. And TNA is expanding on what people normally see on a pro wrestling show, From the reaction camera, Jeff Hardy's inner thoughts, and even the music the used to close the show with. TNA is not your typical Pro Wrestling show. They are taking chances to be like shows like Breaking Bad but the Hardcore Wrestling fans are less receptive to change.So TNA is doing the right thing by sticking to their guns and doing what they want to do and not changing because some don't like it.

And on top of that Pro Wrestling will never be able to move forward and be as dramatic and thought provoking as shows like Breaking Bad because the writers on TV shows aren't blamed for everything a character does. On Breaking Bad if a character makes a poor decision that character stands on his own and the writers aren't mentioned. But if a Pro Wrestler makes a bad decision it's the writers making him look bad. So until fans stop talking about who's writing the shows Pro Wrestling will never take that next step to be compared to other TV shows.

A prime example of that recently is James Storm,He got outsmarted by Bobby Roode and lost the number 1 contendership in a match, Who did the wrestling fans blame the writers not James Storm.Who over the past year has had trouble making decisions because he was too emotional and Bobby Roode took advantage of that. That was great storytelling that got bashed because fans where so quick to blame the writers for what happened and not James Storm's character.

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TNA does and has done all the things you're talking about. What do they do that WCW and WWE weren't doing back then?

You want guys swearing? 99% of Mr. Anderson's gimmick is saying "asshole."
Watch the pay per views, especially ones where Scott Steiner was on the roster and the shows back when TNA first started.

Bras and panties? I'm pretty sure Lacey Von Erich has been there. Hell most of Velvet Sky and Angelina Love's gimmick was showing booties and cleavage. I still remember when they had the chicks dancing in cages. They've had midgets beatin' off in trash cans and guys wrestling in penis suits

Drinking? See Cowboy James Storm and ODB. Hell James Storm, ODB, and Eric Young were actually competing for a beer drinking championship at one time. Drinking beer was a large part of him and Robert Roode's gimmick when they were the tag team "beer money."

They've been doing hardcore matches for years with Abyss and all their Monster's ball shows. They also had a hardcore tournament The Hard Ten tournament. Hell they had them using a frickin' christmas tree made of barbed wire on each other on one of their free TV shows around christmas. The blood flows like wine in TNA.

"Controversial" storylines: Karen Angle was using her and Kurt's own kids as leverage against him in a storyline about their real life divorce. AJ was just in a storyline where he was accused of being some crackwhore's babydaddy and before that he was accused of slippin' the beef to Dixie Carter.

You want all that, you got it and then some. About the only things I can think of that they haven't done yet are bestiality, necrophilia, and incest.
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When will everyone get it through there heads The Attitude Era is never coming back , My god you people need to let it the hell go TNA is not on the same level as WWE and WWE is now geared for family friendly not Girl on Girl Bra and Panties matches those days are long gone.


Stop living in the past because it is NEVER COMING BACK.


The only reason why it worked the first time was WCW and WWF were going head to head for ratings for The Monday Night Wars. I have said it time and time again on different posts I am old school but I grew up watching the product in the 80's and early 90's.

That was the best time for wrestling IMO The AE was just there for a ratings war since there's no more war they WWE or even TNA Should not create it again it's over and done with.
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I'm just sitting here reading this and laughing my ass off! TNA needs attitude? What the hell do you think you're watching when you turn on Impact now,Sesame Street?

This thread is just a prime example of a WWE fan who hasn't watched much TNA wanting them do what the WWE isn't and that's to bring back his childhood.TNA has all the attitude it needs without doing what the WWE did.

And Zeven Zion TNA is in no slump,Because you don't like it doesn't mean everybody else feels the same. And TNA is expanding on what people normally see on a pro wrestling show, From the reaction camera, Jeff Hardy's inner thoughts, and even the music the used to close the show with. TNA is not your typical Pro Wrestling show. They are taking chances to be like shows like Breaking Bad but the Hardcore Wrestling fans are less receptive to change.So TNA is doing the right thing by sticking to their guns and doing what they want to do and not changing because some don't like it.

And on top of that Pro Wrestling will never be able to move forward and be as dramatic and thought provoking as shows like Breaking Bad because the writers on TV shows aren't blamed for everything a character does. On Breaking Bad if a character makes a poor decision that character stands on his own and the writers aren't mentioned. But if a Pro Wrestler makes a bad decision it's the writers making him look bad. So until fans stop talking about who's writing the shows Pro Wrestling will never take that next step to be compared to other TV shows.

A prime example of that recently is James Storm,He got outsmarted by Bobby Roode and lost the number 1 contendership in a match, Who did the wrestling fans blame the writers not James Storm.Who over the past year has had trouble making decisions because he was too emotional and Bobby Roode took advantage of that. That was great storytelling that got bashed because fans where so quick to blame the writers for what happened and not James Storm's character.
That bolded part? It's as ridiculious as Walt's son not asking "what's for breakfast". Breaking Bad fans will get it.

And do you really think ANYTHING we do or say on the Internet steers the company in ANY direction? Fans have been complaining since the whole thing began. Now we just have an outlet. Even if they use our bullshit opinions for some minor thing, we're still not in the big picture. Should we be? Fuck no.
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