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Old 11-21-2012, 08:51 PM
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Now Im a huge Orton mark and so badly wanna see him turn back heel(as does he). Its what hes best at and could,if given the right push,could be one of the best heels ever. But,Ive read some other posts on other forums that say maybe they should hold off on it because he's still mega over.

A lot of those people have seen him live(including me last Monday at Raw) and believe me,hes still over huge and the RKO is still the only finisher today that gets a huge pop. And its not just girls that cheer him,I saw men and women of all ages going nuts for him when his music hit.

And whos to say if they do turn him the same thing might happen as last time where he's cheered no matter what and they turn him back face again like in 2010? Like I said,I was at the Raw taping last Monday and even after the controversial Lawler-Punk angle there was tons of fans cheering for Punk.

Should they go ahead and turn him anyway or would it just be useless as the fans will still probably cheer him anyway(maybe even more so)?
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:18 AM
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They shouldn't turn him until they're ready to make him top heel. Turns should mean something and Orton has had too many turns to get much of a reaction at this point. So IMO if he ever turns they should wait until it would mean something. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Probably, yeah. There's literally no one left for Randy Orton to work with as a face. If I have to watch Randy Orton face Alberto Del Rio one more time, I'll punch a pregnant woman. Orton is literally going through the motions as a face right now; he's wanted to turn heel for a while now, but they've been wanting to build Sheamus into the top face. I'm not sure if he's ready yet, but the only way to find out is to give him the chance. After the program with Show is over, Sheamus is going to need to work with someone for Wrestlemania, and Orton-Sheamus is a pretty big match that hasn't been driven to the ground yet. It's been teased, but not outright given. It won't be a main event, but it will definitely be an upper card match, which the WHC should really be at Wrestlemania.

I'm all for this move.
He's a far, far better heel,
and needs fresh matches.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:00 AM
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If booked right, an Orton heel turn can help slingshot Miz's face turn if they continue with the feud that has been teased in the last week.
It all depends on how the fans accept Miz as a fully fledged face, but I don't doubt he'll be able make the transition going up against one of the top natural heels there is.
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Why does he have to turn heel? and why does he only have to challenge for the title if he is a heel?? Generally a Face vs Face match comes of great with a live crowd. So why not have Orton go against another face with the winner Facing whomever the champion is?
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Not only should he turn heel, he NEEDS to turn heel. Orton is my fav wrestler and has been ever since he became the legend killer. And IMO, he's one of the best when he's heel. But when he's face, he just sort of blends in.. gets lost in the shuffle.
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I agree that Orton is better heel then face. And people loves him as a heel.
But Smackdown now has two big heel, Del Rio and Barrett, that in my opinion needs their first belt. The blu show dont' need another top heel without a draft.

Instead... well, I'm very interesting, now, about wrestler like the Miz, no more heel, not again face. Maybe the best for Orton is to stay in the middle, and run by himself or (better) became a new faction leader.

In this reality Era, I really need big faction like evolution or (just to remember a recent one) nexus. I'd love it.

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Fans will decide who they like or don't like, cheer and boo as they see fit and they'll never be 100% in agreement that's the fun of the wrestling industry. Orton should be heel because that's what he's best at and what fits his character. If people cheer him let them. Call him a tweener or whatever, just let him be and the fans will cheer or boo as they see fit. Look at what a wrestler does best and run with it if you want an entertaining product, the fans will decide how to react but stick with what works. People like Punk, Miz, HHH, Daniel Bryan can potentially be either face or heel but Orton is a natural heel he's boring as a face.
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yes am a fan of Orton but his viper persona doesn't work as a face esp in the pg era. He is much better heel than most the heels right now look at the punt how can kicking someone in the head like that work as a face it is a heel move. i don't know if they are trying to make him a stone cold kind thing as the loner guy no offence to randy but he not Austin he will never be a big as stone cold that nothing to do with him not being talented enough he is just Austin was just a different time. when he is a heel he doesn't need to do much to get the fans to boo him where i think as a face he needs to work harder to get over
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I'm all in favor of a Randy Orton heel turn. I like Orton either way, but I find myself totally uninterested in any of his face promos. I do enjoy most of his matches; if Orton is anything it's consistent. He can work a good match with just about anyone. They may not have a whole lot of variation, but that is in part thanks to his opponents. For instance, he and Christian worked a whole summer of great matches. Orton and del Rio have been killing it in the ring. Their relatively short 2/3 Falls match on Raw this week, I thought, was pretty fantastic.

The number one reason I'm in favor of the heel turn though, is because it's what Randy Orton wants. Historically, performers are at their absolute best when the get to do what they are creatively interested in. You see John Cena cutting the best promos when he's working with guys like the Rock, because it's not something he gets to do every month. He gets competition for a change, and is forced to step up their game. CM Punk has Paul Heyman and is now main eventing pay-per-views; tell me if I'm wrong, but he's shown noticeable improvement since then, yes?

Randy Orton wants to be a heel. He's always been better as the bad guy. It allows him freedom to be what he wants to be, what he feels comfortable doing, and to express himself in promos and be a bit more viscous in the ring. He can control the pacing of a match, rather than be the one on the seller's end for the majority. That's where Orton shines, in my opinion, and if that is what he wants to do, I think it would be a travesty for the WWE to keep holding him back.

Now, I posed a fun little armchair booking session on Twitter the other day, to a pretty good response from a few dozen folks. This is, of course, not likely to happen, but more or less a creative idea I would pitch if I had the access:

1. Do not book Randy Orton at the upcoming TLC pay-per-view, but rather continue flirting with the idea of a heel turn in his matches on Smackdown each week.

2. DO book Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena

3. Whatever the decision is in that match, end it with ZIggler beating the hell out of Cena with his MITB briefcase, or another foreign object. Randy Orton would then make the save. Why? Who knows, that's the point. Create immediately intrigue. What is Randy Orton doing helping John Cena? Why is this relevant?

4. After Ziggler runs to the back, have Orton raise John Cena's hand in victory. And then...bam, RKO! But you cannot stop at this point. Randy Orton is going to punt somebody's face off, that much is pretty obvious. Why not have this person be the biggest draw in professional wrestling right now? SOmebody that Orton could easily be jealous of, and has a lot of past history with. The RKO is not enough; he must put Cena on the shelf. So Randy Orton RKO and punt kicks John Cena at TLC.

5. The Royal Rumble approaches, and everyone online gets all bitchy because John Cena is probably going to come back and win it. He doesn't. He doesn't even appear at the Rumble. In fact he is completely out of action and not involved with the WWE product from TLC until Elimination Chamber. This gives Cena time to heal up from nagging injuries and take a few months to get his personal life in order following a messy divorce. Refreshed and refocused, it will do everyone a lot of good.

6. At the Elimination Chamber, Randy Orton becomes the final man in the ring with whoever happens to be the World Champion. Enter John Cena, rushing the ring like a bat out of hell. Either he enters in when the 4th man gets eliminated, or he tears the freaking door from its hinges. He's Super Cena, and he's pissed off. The two go at it, throwing rights and lefts like crazy; the crowd is super behind it, psyched to see Cena for the first time in two months. Cena gets the AA on Orton, drags the Champion on top of him, and that ends the match.

7. John Cena vs. Randy Orton at WrestleMania, one more time.

Here's what this scenario does for the fans:
-It effectively establishes Orton as a top face immediately, and in the biggest way possible given the current landscape of the product.
-It gives John Cena a break from us, and us a break from John Cena.
-It puts Randy Orton in a high profile match at WrestleMania; something he's been very frustrated with the last few years.
-It gets John Cena in a main event level match at Mania, but keeps him out of a match with the Rock, and out of the WWE Championship picture.

I think this could be a lot of fun. Will it ever happen? Probably not, but it has a better chance than some of the more ridiculous things I've heard. John Cena and Randy Orton have something like 21 World Title reigns between them. They are top level guys that don't need to be World Champion at this point in their careers. DO they still have some late-game title runs left in the tank? Absolutely, but with guys like Barrett, Sheamus, Miz, Ziggler, Punk, etc., they don't need to be winning titles RIGHT NOW. Let them work a big match at WrestleMania; one that will draw in a huge crowd and level of interest. That gives us, at the very least, four main event level matches. WWE TItle, World Title, Cena/Orton, and a fourth match that involves either Lesnar, Undertaker, and Rock in some way.

Just having a little fun. What do you think?
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