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Old 11-09-2012, 01:13 AM
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Default top 10 WWF Champions of all time

there is a article on main page where the author determines who he thinks the 10 greatest WWF champions of all time are, was just curious to see who everybody on the boards thinks are the 10 greatest champions are?

here are mine for arguments sake:

10. John Cena
9. HHH
8. The Rock
7. HBK
6. Macho Man
5. Bret Hart
4. Bob Backlund
3. Bruno Sammartino
2. Steve Austin
1. Hulk Hogan

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The face of WWE 1984-1990, basically unstoppable. Hogan is pro wrestling, his matches sold out arenas for years and years. In partnership with Vince McMahon, Hogan made wrestling and its performers house hold names. There is no ibgger star in the history of the business than Hulk Hogan.

The longest reigning champion in WWE history, Bruno was over massive in the territorial days

The second greatest star the industry has seen, his 6 reigns were all quite short in length, but he is still without a doubt the greatest since Hogan.

Bret was the flag bearer when WWE changed from land of giants through to the smaller, more technical styled wrestler. 5 title reigns, Hitman was responsible for keeping the WWE afloat in 1995-1997.

Second longest reigning champion in WWE history, Backlund was technically sound and was Vince Snr' poster boy. Many great feuds, Backlund was one of the greatest, but does not compare to the above 4.

The first heel champ who was not a transitional; champion. Grahams reign was just shy on one year, he should have been turned babyface and had one hell of a run, hell he may have been Hogan if Vince went in that direction 6 years earlier. Graham transcended into mainstream, charismatic and over hugely.

His feud with Austin is arguably one of the top 3 feuds in WWE history. 7 time champion and massively over, pity he was in Austins shadow for the majority of his run.

L;Like him or hate him, his million title reigns, including a well over one year reign, great matches against everybody whose anybody in the past 7 years, Cena deserves a spot in the top 10

After Hogan the greatest guy of the 80s, the company could have revolved around Savage. His two reigns were great, but will always remembered for being Hogan's lackey

The first heel to really mortgage the WWE title for long periods, 7 or 8 reigns with the WWE title, has to be in the 10 somewhere.
Old 11-09-2012, 03:00 AM
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Default TOP 10 WWE Champs!

Unfortunatly since I didn't start watching till the late 80's I'll have to limit my response to what I am familer with.

10. EDGE - The Rated R superstar is one that never failed to attract attention whether it was the live sex show with Lita or the opportunistic superstar he made people tune in.

9. The Rock - The greatest entertainer while only being part time is still able to draw people just by saying he is going to be champion even though we all know he won't stick around.

8. Undertaker - How is he not listed one of the most steady and reliable personnel on the Roster it was always special when he was going for the belt or defending it.

7. The Ultimate Warrior - I probably have him this high just because this was around the time when I started watching and there was nothing bigger then the Wrestlemania VI match with Hogan

6. Shawn Michaels - The showstopper is the greatest performer the WWE has ever had the only reason he isn't higher on the list because his greatest matchs (expect the Iron Man Match with Brett) were not for the title.

5. John Cena - The fact that so many people complain about him shows that they pay attention to him. Whether you love or hate him he has been the face of WWE for the past 5 years.

4. Chris Jericho - The First Undisputed Champion who beat everyone from the Rock to Austin deserves to be mentioned in any greatest list.

3. Brett Hart - Ok so he has always been my favorite but I believe he proved you didn't have to be a monster to be a champion paving the way for people like Shawn Michaels, the Rock and Austin who are not know for their freaskish builds or being monsters

2. Steve Austin - Behing only Hogan in popularity if not for his reign and achievements who knows what the wrestling landscape would look like today.

1. And of course Hulk Hogan - Regardless of you belief of him as a person the character is the reason while wrestling is where it is. The Charisma was enough that even at 59 years old he can still draw people to a wrestling match
Old 11-09-2012, 03:40 AM
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Josh Isenberg makes me giggle. His writes like a 12 year old trying composing an essay. "He would go on to hold the title...." etc.

Also: "He will never be the best wrestler, the best talker, or the best entertainer." Really? What exactly is he good at then? (Cue James Brown style shouts of.."Absolutely nothing"). Anyway, I digress. Hugely.

My list:

1.) Hulk Hogan: this needs very little explanation. The man who, more than anybody, made the WWE and the WWE title, what it is today.

2.) Bruno Sammartino: People go crazy over the length of Punk's reign, but this lad held it for over seven years. That's like somebody who won the title in 2005 still holding it now. Mental.

3.) John Cena: He's had ten reigns. For the last 6-7 years, he is the first person you think of when you think about the WWE title, minus points for that horrific spinning belt though.

4.) Bret Hart: A personal choice. When I got properly into wrestling in the mid-late 90's, he was the king of the mountian, winding Michaels up with his 'not once, not twice, 5 times chat.

5.) Diesel: One from left-field really, but he had a long reign and the way he destroyed Bob Backlund in 8 seconds was quite symbolic in terms of the new breed breaking away from the old school.

6.) C M Punk: he's made the WWE title cool again and broken up the horrible habit of title changes every couple of months. An iconic reign which will go down in history.

7.) The Rock: Because I've never been more excited about wrestling than when him and Austin were trading the title and headlining PPVs together. He shades it from the Austin just because I preferred him.

8.) Stone Cold Steve Austin: See above.

9.) Bob Backlund: You can't ignore a guy that had combined reigns of almost 10 years. Plus, everybody loves a slightly crazy middle anged ginger haired man.

10.) Shawn Michaels: Another personal choice because he is my favourite of all time but also because he was involved in some classics for the WWE title. The Iron Man Match with Bret, The Montreal Screwjob and the Austin/Tyson match at Mania, to name but a few.

Credit: Angelic Diablo. The Grand Daddy of 'em all.
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1. Bruno Sammartino--2 title reigns combining for 12 years total, 'nuff said.

2. Hulk Hogan--It pains me to say it, but he helped usher in the casual onlooker, and made pro wrestler "water cooler" talk at the office.

3. Bob Backlund--Technically, the 2nd best actual wrestler to hold the title (obviously, Kurt Angle being #1). Backlund held the title for nearly 6 years, and held off just about every challenge set before him.

4. Bret Hart--A great champion; whether face or heel. He proved to Vince that you didn't need to have the most ripped physique to be the man.

5. Superstar Billy Graham--The first heel not to be a "transistional" champion. The funny thing was that he won the title with his feet on the ropes, and lost the same way.

6. HHH--Regardless of the fact that he was the son-in-law, he proved his wrestling work ethic time and time again; also, became the first heel champion to leave Wrestlemania with his title intact.

7. John Cena--Love him or hate him (and I know most of the adults on here do), he has been the face of the WWE since taking the belt from JBL at Wrestlemania.

8. Stone Cold Steve Austin & the Rock--I couldn't put either of these men ahead of the other. Both were the faces of the Attitude Era, and you couldn't put one in a sentence without mentioning the other.

10--Shawn Michaels--The originator of the Attitude Era, but also had a few reigns before that and a reign or two after that.

Honorable mention--CM Punk--If his reign continues after Survivor Series, and turns back the Rock at the Royal Rumble, he will get on the top 10.
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Default Top 10 WWE Champions

Ok I will bite on this....having been a follower of the WWF/WWE since around 1978 to present this would be my opinion:

1. Hulk Hogan- I'm not basing this strictly on how many reigns or how many years you held the belt alone. Hogan is #1 because he brought wrestling mainstream. Made the sport relevant. He was the straw that stirred the drink. NO PPV's, No wrestlemania, without Hogan.

2. Bruno Sammartino- The standard bearer the first real draw in wrestling, that made regional wrestling work. Bruno was the greatest small market champion or regional champion of all time. But he would have never made it on a National scale as his pride allowed him to think "he" was the business instead of doing what was best for the business.

3. Stone Cold Steve Austin- Austin was the biggest draw ever in the sport. The attitude era took WWF/WWE to great revenue and tv heights. Austin was the primary face in this revolution.

4. Bob Backlund- Boring. Plain. Bland. But this guy was a tremendous technical wrestler. Because Backlund was so small, not well defined, you could line anybody up to face him and we the fans probably believed he was going to lose. Backlund made wrestling believable and gave you so many different outstanding matchups like Muraco, Studd, Graham, Snuka, that elevated some average performers to greatness.

5. John Cena- The guy is polarizing. Cena had the most difficult task carrying the torch after the attitude era. And he succeeded through hard work dedication and determination. This guy has been the face of the franchise selling out merchandise, pay per views, going mainstream, with like four moves. But his charity work with make a wish, and his willingness to do so much humanitarian work like with the troops, places him top 5 of all time.

6. Brett Hart- The man was a great technical wrestler. But he is probably one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. He didn't draw except in Canada. He didn't sell merchandise. He wasn't easy to work with (c screw job). Like Sammartino, Hart thought "HE" was the business instead of doing what was best for the business. He makes the list on his talent which was unquestionable.

7. HHH- Sure he was Vince's son in law. But the Game was a tremendous worker, especially as a heel, and when both Rock & Austin were out of WWE this man gave some of his best work and put the company on his back. Needs to get the credit he deserves as a singles wrestler, not for his versatility in comedy with DX.

8. The Rock- Rock suffers as a great champion because he didn't need the title. He will rank higher on the all-time great wrestlers than champions, but his work during the attitude era and invasion angle will always be remembered.

9. Shawn Michaels- Injury robbed Michaels of how high he would be on my list. No he wasn't better than Hart technically, but he had more charisma. Yes, HHH over the long haul was the better champion. But Michaels was a great performer, and a great worker. He made Diesel. He ushered in the Stone Cold era, and although it was personal, the Hart fued was an all-time great.

10. Randy Savage- Savage was a terrific wrestler. Had the eccentric look. The charisma. And Savage was a guy who could carry the promotion as a #1 World Champion, or #2 IC champion. The guy was versatile. He sold, he made other guys better, and was dynamic on the mike. A perfect compliment to Hogan during the evolution of wrestling.

Just missed: Billy Graham, Pedro Morales, Diesel.
One to watch: CM Punk
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Oh and can we do a WCW soon I want to be able to put David Arquette in my top 10

1- Hogan. The dude is wrestling and ruled Wrestling. his title runs were numerous and the belt always seemed to gravitate to him for the better part of two decades. Plus I really liked champions who WORE the belt. I mean it is a belt after all.

2- Stone Cold Steve Austin - A great title holder and general bad ass. The smoking skull belt was a great innovation and his ruling of the attitude era was epic

3- HHH. Had some of the longest runs as champion as a heel as I can remember. He was in the main event for about 5 years solid and revolutionized a heel champion. He was injured as a heel and got a huge pop upon his return which illustrated his popularity, importance and the fans appreciation of his hard work and dedication to his craft despite his good or bad status.

4- Bruno Sammartino : He is the (old gen) guy you think of when you think old school wrestling. I thought about Bob Backlund but then thought he looked like he couldnt punch his way out of a paper bag. Bruno was a beast, so he got the nod

5- John Cena: I honestly couldnt decide if he deserved to be high on the rankings for the fact that he has been the constant draw for a fledgling era (unless you are 10 years old) or lower due to the fact he is so one dimensional. For those reasons he came in at #5 but there is no denying his importance as a champion. He has held the strap for the better part of the decade and truth be told the WWE would be in better shape if he had the strap now too.

7 (edited change)- Brett Hart: The champion of the dead ball era (baseball reference fail?). Lets face it Brett held the title during the companies boring era leading them to eventually fall to WCW's rise. He was a great technical wrestler, some (he) might say the best ever. He deserves to be on the list for being the guy for those 5 years or so

6 (edited change)- HBK: See #6. basically the same stuff can be said but HBK is more enigmatic and entertaining. Hell I change my mind. HBK is 6 and Hart is 7. Call it a screwjob if you like

8- The Rock: could he have been higher? sure. Had he had a few more title runs instead of bolting during his prime to hollywood. Not blaming the guy. Getting paid a ton more and having other guys take your bumps for you seems like a logical choice to me.

9- Randy Savage: only two title runs but I can chalk that up to Hogan taking the spotlight more or less. He was a great champion and a great wrestler.

10- Vincent Kennedy McMahon - Just felt he belonged on this list more than the Ultimate Warrior and Mick Foley. I think his title run if you wanna call it that was more important to the company and storylines than either of the other 2.

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6. Brett Hart- The man was a great technical wrestler. But he is probably one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time. He didn't draw except in Canada. He didn't sell merchandise. He wasn't easy to work with (c screw job). Like Sammartino, Hart thought "HE" was the business instead of doing what was best for the business. He makes the list on his talent which was unquestionable.
Bold bit is nonsense and the rest is very questionable too. He is probably the most popular WWF/E superstar ever here in Europe. He was bigger than Hogan back around 1991/92 and all the way through to when he left the WWF he was considered to be the man over here. To this day any of my age group that I talk to about wrestling, particularly the ones who stopped watching it as they entered their teens/adultgood, cite Bret Hart as the guy they loved. That answer is almost to the man.

As for the rest of it. If refusing to job when you're champion to a guy you don't want to work with makes you not easy to work with here's a list of other former champions who weren't easy to work with. Austin, Hogan, Michaels, Backlund, Savage, Flair, HHH, Nash, I'll end this right here by saying just about every wrestler has at one point decided they don't want to lose a match. Bret vs HBK is just the most talked about one because usually the guy refusing to job gets his way.

What else did you say, oh about the not being able to sell merchandise comment. Do you really think Bret would have been the face of the WWF from 1992-1997 is he couldn't sell t-shirts? You don't remember how the Hitman shades were the most sought after WWF item for a while? Think these things through and don't drink from the kool-aid before knocking a guy.
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This list is very different than what I would make for a "favorite wrestlers of all time" list. Don't take it for more than what it is... an opinion

1) Hulk Hogan - Not the best wrestler in the world but the most influential for the business.
2) Steve Austin - Most influential in the modern era
3) The Rock - Also, highly important in connecting wrestling with the mainstream and putting the entertainment in sports entertainment
4) Bruno Sammartino - Sort of like the Cy Young of the WWF...innovation
5) Bret Hart - As far as WWF Champions go he was the perfect mix of technical ability and rockstar type image
6) Shawn Michaels - More of a rockstar than Bret, and one of the innovators of high flying/fast paced wrestling
7) HHH - WWF's Top Heel for many years, in my opinion...not unlike Flair was for the NWA/WCW...different personality but same role
8) Undertaker - He would be higher on this list if the list was about greatest superstar, not greatest champion. Taker isn't remembered most for his title reigns. But he was a great champ.
9) Kurt Angle - A personal favorite of mine.
10) John Cena - Oh god, I know, I don't like him either. But lets be honest...he puts asses in the seats as Champ
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Not sure if this is about who I liked best or who I believe was infact the best champion for the company. So I'll go with option B for my list and try not to be too biased.

#1 Hulk Hogan - Biggest star in the history of wrestling. When he won the championship, the belt was his whether he had it or not. The 3 year reign will probably be the last of it's kind.

#2 Stone Cold Steve Austin - It pains me to say this because I don't think he had a single noteworthy title reign. Still, he had huge title wins and he's probably the 2nd biggest star in the history of the WWE.

#3 John Cena - He's the closest thing to Hogan we've had since, well... Hulk Hogan. The reason I'm giving him the 3rd spot is because like Hogan he dominates his era with no close second to be found. He's had multiple long reigns with some of the best title defenses we've ever gotten out of a top star. Anyone who steps in the ring with him seems more important for having done so and that's what you want in a champion.

#4 Bruno Sammartino - He dominated the landscape for a decade and has the company's longest title reign. Why doesn't he rank higher? Same reason Joe Montana will get the nod over Otto Graham every time. The WWWF although a large territory was a regional company. The NWA champion was considered superior to the WWWF champion and no such claim could be made for the three champions above Bruno on this list.

#5 Triple H - He did everything these other guys did, but he did it mostly as a heel. He's the most dominant heel champion in the history of our industry and truly changed the way heel's were treated as champion in Mcmahon-land. Before Triple H, heels were either monsters or cowards who were giving reigns for the sole purpose of putting over the company's top baby face. Triple H was treated more like Ric Flair or Harly Race. He was constantly called the best in the business and backed it up, making a victory over him seem that much more important. It was hard for me not to give HHH the #4 spot, but here he is at #5.

#6 The Rock - Like Austin, the Rock never really had any memorable title reigns. Still, he had a bunch of reigns and he's one of the biggest stars ever. If we're rating greatest championship reigns the Rock doesn't make the list, but it would be hard to say having the belt on a multi-media mega star doesn't add a little luster to the title he once held.

#7 Bret Hart - The work horse champion. Bret carried the belt through the WWE's darkest days. If he were a quarterback he'd be a game manager not a gunslinger, but his ability to work with both larger and smaller guys opened the main event scene to people who never would have gotten the time of day with Hogan around. HBK being the first to come to mind.

#8 The Ultimate Warrior - Why would a guy who held the belt once and less for a year at that make my top 10? Because for a brief moment in time he was as big a star as Hulk Hogan. In my mind if the man's heart was really in the business he would have dominated the 1990's. His in-ring ability is often mocked but his matches with Savage, Hogan and Rude prove he could have good matches with the right person leading. He's one of the most charismatic superstars in history. Don't believe me? Why are people still talking about him? Nails was crazy in real life too and people don't talk about him. The Warrior was the real deal. He just didn't have the love for the game.

#9 HBK - The greatest in-ring performer ever to hold the belt. Why does he rank so low? Because he never really had a good reign. His best reign lasted from November of 97 to March of 98. Only two noteworthy things happened during this reign. One was screwing Bret Hart, the other was putting over Steve Austin at WM14. Still, as far as in-ring goes, it's HBK and Flair all the way.

#10 Randy Savage - Or Ric Flair. I dunno. Call it a tie. Both had two reigns. Both headlined Wrestlemania, but Savage did it three times. (Sort of). I don't care, they're both great.

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