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Old 09-26-2012, 08:39 AM
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If the match did end up happening at SS that year, who do you think would have gotten the fan support?

My money would be on Hogan. Nobody ever stole his thunder when the lights were on - nobody.

That being said, you can't ignore the fact Bret was amazing at getting sympathy from the audience. Would they be cheering Hulk to beat him up?

Tough call either way, and it's a shame it didn't happen back then.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:49 AM
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I would say both. The fans attitude was completely different to it is now!!! Both were very popular and if in face roles, Brets fans would have cheered for Bret and Hulks fans for Hulk. Anyone else would have simply enjoyed the match. There was no booing of faces back in these days!

Bret had huge support in England when he fought Bulldog in his own back yard. I think you under estimate his popularity at the time!!!
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Yea I think they should've done it in hogans hometown and have Bret Come on top in huge upset but have hogan not tap like Austin . Setting up more rematches or have hogan retire
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:58 AM
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If the match did end up happening at SS that year, who do you think would have gotten the fan support?

My money would be on Hogan. Nobody ever stole his thunder when the lights were on - nobody.

That being said, you can't ignore the fact Bret was amazing at getting sympathy from the audience. Would they be cheering Hulk to beat him up?

Tough call either way, and it's a shame it didn't happen back then.
While Hogan was the clear cut guy with all fans in the 80's, that changed in the 90's in the WWF. His encounters with Warrior, Flair, Sid and Taker were all noteworthy for the way crowds were divided. With Warrior it was expected and warrented because each were true babyfaces who did not deviate from that during their fued, but with the other guys, they were heels who got some pop because of how stale Hogan had become at the time.

Now if you factor in the near year he took off after WM VIII and the way Hart got over with the fans by being anywhere and everywhere, I would have to believe that if they had had a match at some point in 93 (weather WrestleMania, King of the Ring or SummerSlam) Bret would have had a stronger backing from the fans in the crowd than Hogan.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:41 PM
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Hogan would likely have insisted on some kind of run in to excuse his loss (much like the "camera bulb") at that time probably from Lex Luger (not going face and setting up a retirement feud for Hogan).

Crowdwise, Hart would have been the heel going in like he was against Piper, by not giving Hogan the "respect" and calling him out on his behaviour over the years. Over the course of the match though the fans would cheer for Bret again and when Luger interfered and KO's Hogan, Bret would refuse the pin initially, expecting the Hulk Up. It comes and then Hogan gets caught out with the missing legdrop into Sharpshooter...
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I remember this era well, I became a fan in late 1991 when I was 9. Keep in mind, during this era Hogan was considered a huge babyface. It wasn't until 1996 when the NWO formed that it was finally proven that Hogan could be a heel. With that said, Hogan was going to be a fan favorite regardless of how few were tired of him back then. He still got massive pops it was nothing like how Cena divides an audience today.

Now onto Bret Hart, I was shocked at the time he won the WWE Title because he just didn't seem like a mainstay main eventer it just came out of nowhere. Yes, this was after I bought the awesome Summerslam 92 ppv and saw his match with Bulldog, but I thought he would simply rematch the Bulldog or later Shawn Michaels, who ended up taking the IC Title from Bulldog. After several legit title defenses and epic matches, I began seeing Hart as a main event talent. Then....came the WM suprise when Yokozuna actually won the title only to lose to an on the spot Hogan match.

Looking at how it played out, Yoko beat Hogan and Hart later beat Yoko, so I felt Hart beat the guy Hogan couldn't beat. Had Hogan VS Hart took place, either a face VS face would have happened like Bulldog VS Bret...or Hart is turning heel. Hogan wouldn't have jobbed to Hart as at the time Hart was considered small for a champion. Seeing how the match never took place just tells me Hogan wouldn't job.

Think about it...Hogan was leaving anyway. Putting Hart over would have accelerated his growth to the legend he ended up becoming. Say what you will about The Rock, HHH, and Cena, but at least they put over guys while they were still in their prime. Hogan VS Hart would have been great and it was robbed from us by that big yellow monster.
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It would have been stupid to turn Hart heel after investing so much in him as a fan fav during the previous two years, especially if this was a "pass the torch" moment for Brett, establishing him as the true No. 1 guy, not just the prerequisite good guy champ keeping the belt warm for Hogan's return. Vince wanted Brett to have that credibility with the audience, something he lacked as long as Hogan was in the picture.

It is true that some of Hogan's appeal had gotten stale, but as someone who was watching wrestling for a decade before Brett Hart ever won the World Title I can tell you in WWE no one was more popular than Hogan, at his height Ultimate Warrior was close, but until Steve Austin, no one sold tickets and drew crowd reactions like Hogan. If the match took place as was rumored with both being faces I think Brett would have gotten a decent pop but Hogan would have been the crowd fav. Hart was never close to eliciting the kind of fervor from crowds that UW did at his peak, and he could only split the crowd 50/50.

I do think if Hogan would have put Hart over clean it would have been a huge rub for Hart, his lack of charisma though was always going to hold him back as guys like HBK & SCSA ascended up the ladder. Of course WWE didnt have a good undercard back then (93-95) and Hart wasnt the only main eventer that was hurt by lousy booking (as bad as Hart vs Isaac Yankem, evil dentist was, Mabel as a World Title Contender vs Kevin Nash was worse).

While Hogan may have been losing some steam, it was interest in wrestling in general that was on decline in early 90s. Outside of Memphis the territories and independents were dead, once Jim Crockett Jr divested from NWA/WCW they went down the proverbial toilet, and WWE got very formulamatic & dull, the audience went away slowly. Much of that audience paid cursory attention to WWE but were more interested in other feds, they quit watching as their promotions declined. A lot of people blame Hart for WWE's decline. If you look though the WWE audience was already in decline before he became the program centerpiece. I dont think he had much charisma, I was always way more entertained by contemporaries like HBK & Nash, but was a good solid hero character, kids loved him, and he could deliver a good match at any big show (basically John Cena today, Hart was better in the ring but Cena is way better on the mic). Now Hogan I dont remember getting too many mixed reactions during this time. I remember Hogan being way over vs Taker. Against Flair it was really an NWA thing, there was always going to be a significant portion of the audience that supported Flair over Hogan because they were NWA fans and saw him as a better entertainer. Still, although this was present somewhat in their WWE bouts my memory was that the WWE crowds were mostly for Hogan. I saw them wrestle twice in Pgh at WWE shows and Id say the crowds were 70-30 Hogan. Hulk didnt really hit the wall in terms of being stale until he went to WCW, although part of his problem then was that this audience was comprised mostly of fans who favored their guy (Flair) making it hard for him to generate the kind of positive crowd reactions he was used too even when their ratings were good, pretty much the opposite dynamic that defined their bouts in WWE were Hogan had the "hometown advantage". The only time Hogan really got booed in WWE was initially at The Royal Rumble when he interferred to cost Sid the match and the vacant title. That was lousy booking by WWE, thinking just by making Hogan mad you could turn someone heel with the audience but the whole script really made Hogan look like a jerk and made Sid look sympathetic instead (an every man for himself battle royal, promoted for the possibility of seeing allies go against one another, where Hogan had already gone against allies like Piper & Savage, Sid is left in the ring with an exhausted Flair, who has wrestled for an hr at this point and a fresh Hogan, so Sid dumps Hogan first to take his chance with Flair, and as Hogan looks on from ringside Sid tells him "every man for himself", which was true. Hogan's very un face like reaction was to argue with Sid, grab him, and distract him long enough for Flair to dump him out for the win. If WWE thought that would make the crowd turn on Sid they were wrong. They made Hogan look bad and the audience booed Hogan instead.)

Eventually they did enough to make Sid look bad and crowds cheered Hogan. Their WrestleMania Match didnt generate as much heat as Flair-Savage or even Hart-Piper because the build up and hype was weak in comparison, not because Hogan wasnt popular anymore. During the match the audience is clearly behind Hogan.

In the end, would it have made sense for Hart to turn Heel, given the huge investment WWE had made in his Hitman persona, with heels like Yokozuna & HBK already around, absolutely not, at least not if their goal was for Hulk to put Hart over as a legite heir apparent as the No. 1 guy. In a face vs face match between them I believe Hogan would have been more popular initially but the audience would have accepted Hart if he had won. Everything else being the same, I dont think it would have changed much for either moving forward.
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Hogan would likely have insisted on some kind of run in to excuse his loss (much like the "camera bulb") at that time probably from Lex Luger (not going face and setting up a retirement feud for Hogan).

Crowdwise, Hart would have been the heel going in like he was against Piper, by not giving Hogan the "respect" and calling him out on his behaviour over the years. Over the course of the match though the fans would cheer for Bret again and when Luger interfered and KO's Hogan, Bret would refuse the pin initially, expecting the Hulk Up. It comes and then Hogan gets caught out with the missing legdrop into Sharpshooter...
That's kind of how I would've seen it going,except to sell Bret's "ring skill"
I would've had Bret catching/blocking the leg as it comes down and reverse it into the sharpshooter.
I remember in a match against Angle...Hogan dropped the leg but Kurt quickly caught it and had the ankle lock on almost instantly.
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It would have been face vs. face. Vince wanted Bret Hart to be the new top face of the company, and I can't see Vince turning Bret heel right after he won the belt for the first time and was over with the fans and had a massive following in Europe. If it went down, I could see the story line as Hogan offering Bret a match and a chance to win it from him since he was cheated and allowed Hogan the opportunity to win the belt from Yoko, when Bret should have had first dibs at a fair rematch.

Bret always thought Hogan didn't want to do it because Hogan felt he couldn't and shouldn't lose to a guy Bret's size, that it would kill his credibility. Plus Bret would have been the underdog and Hogan would have gotten booed. From Bret: "Hogan thought I would have taken the shine off him." Hogan's act was getting stale and WWF house show business died down when Hogan took the belt back. Vince told Bret he was winning with the Sharpshooter for the belt against Hogan at SummerSlam and they did photo shoots for the match. Vince was ready to move on but lone behold, the veteran star refused to job. This time, Vince allowed it and changed the match. Years later Bret wouldn't be so lucky.

If this match happened and ended the way as planned, it could have launched Bret and that entire era into a higher level, and today it would probably be looked at as more of a success and Bret would have been taken a lot more seriously and had more credibility.
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I think it would have been face vs face. I remember that time well, and Bret was getting massive cheers. Nothing like Hogan's in his prime though. While it was true fans were tiring of Hogan's act, I don't think it was enough fans to really make a difference. Hogan's pops were massive. When that music hit the crowd went nuts. I do think though that Bret would get more fans on his side as the match went on and I think at the end they would be ready to see Bret beat Hogan. It really would have been a quite interesting match to watch. The crowd reaction alone would have made this match awesome.
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