Submission Rebirth

[kylexxx]

Is it just me or does the WWE seem to be focusing on submission wrestling again. The majority of the matches on the JD card seemed to have a lot of submission spots, from what I read, and the recent matches between nattie and michelle seem to have brought submission wrestling to the womens division, plus hbk and hhh bringing back the crossface and the overall usage of submissions is at its highest point in rrecent memory, hell even jbl locked in a couple of submissions. Maybe the return of the anaconda vise, fingers crossed.....
Is this a good move for the WWE? I think so....

[klunderbunker]

I think when you can expand your horizons even by a little bit is always a good thing. The Anaconda Vice was actually used also, sadly enough as a rest hold, but it was there. With Shawn using that leg lock a few months back, along with the crossface and the heel hook that Michelle used on Friday night, I have high hopes for this part of the WWE coming out again. There used to be some great submission moves, and it looks like they're going back to that again, which I am all for.

[HellBoundPower]

I think with the recent rise of MMA and the submission holds in that sport, WWE has decided to try to suck more viewers in by increasing the amount of submission holds used. Submission holds have been pretty much dormant in the WWE for years now. A rare few like Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho would use them, but they've been a thing of the past for the most part. And with new blood coming in, and older wrestlers starting to use submissions, they seem to be on the rise again. I've always enjoyed submission holds, as long as they fit in with the match. All I know is that the recent use of submission holds has sparked my interest, and I hope to see more in the future.

[Danmen001]

Originally Posted by kylexxx

Is it just me or does the WWE seem to be focusing on submission wrestling again.

I wouldn't say submission wrestling, but submission moves definately.

The majority of the matches on the JD card seemed to have a lot of submission spots,

Not sure, didn't see it but I heard there were some matches there though.

from what I read, and the recent matches between nattie and michelle seem to have brought submission wrestling to the womens division,

The sharpshooter Nattie uses is awesome, not sure why Michelle has a leg lock though.

plus hbk and hhh bringing back the crossface

See, I know Trips uses the Crossface, but I haven't seem HBK use it at all, what am I missing lol.

and the overall usage of submissions is at its highest point in rrecent memory,

Agreed. I don't usual see many as well.

hell even jbl locked in a couple of submissions.

That, for one thing is a shock to me lol.

Maybe the return of the anaconda vise, fingers crossed.....

Hope not, nothing speical about the vice. Maybe only if he uses it against people he can't pick up.

Is this a good move for the WWE? I think so....

Definately a good move by the WWE, I would say it would bring an outside interest in for one thing.

[IrishEnglishman24]

I think a return to more submission based moves can be a mixed bag. On one side, I enjoy technical matches and the different dynamic they bring rather than brawls or spot filled matches. However, they do have a tendancy to be used more as rest holds for a while, and a long sleeper hold is just plain boring. I think if they bring in more 'realistic' moves that you'd think would genuinely hurt, and have them locked on for a short time it would work well for WWE, but long drawn out matches aren't the way to go, especially when it would seem the average wrestling fan has the attention span of a 5 year old with ADHD.

[The Deejish Invasion]

The Only Submission move ive seen regularly is the cross face, its being used by every wrestler on the roster, Ive seen the move being used 20 times in one month being utilised by guys such as Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Grat Khali (Yes i said it), the issue i have with this move is that its a testimant to the great Chris Benoit and the whole roster is using it like its a drop toe hold i hate the idea of it, its losing its appeal, and I for one would rather see matches performed without it.

The idea of submission wrestling being re-utilized in general is great, as long as the wrestlers involved dont make the holds look weak, for example when Khali used the cross face on big show at Backlash, It didnt look like he could have pulled it off, he may as well should of applied the canadain destroyer on show and have a chance at having that look legit then the cross face

Khali +submission wrestling = Crap IMO

[Undercurrent]

Originally Posted by Douchemister

The Only Submission move ive seen regularly is the cross face, its being used by every wrestler on the roster, Ive seen the move being used 20 times in one month being utilised by guys such as Shawn Michaels, Triple H, The Grat Khali (Yes i said it), the issue i have with this move is that its a testimant to the great Chris Benoit and the whole roster is using it like its a drop toe hold i hate the idea of it, its losing its appeal, and I for one would rather see matches performed without it.

I couldn't agree with you more. Chris Benoit was one of the greatest of all time and to go along with that he had one of the greatest submission finishers of all time yet individuals such as Michaels, Triple H and The Great Khali are making it look extremely weak. When Chris Benoit locked in the Crossface the fans would always rise to their feet as 95% of the time the wrestler would tap out but now wrestlers are using it with very little ring psychology. The whole purpose of the Crossface was to lock it on out of nowhere which is being done but Chris wouldn't use it in the form of an armbar where it would slow down the match so he could gain control and take a breather. When he locked in The Crossface you knew the end was near.

I know there are many who love seeing the Crossface still being used as it proves the WWE is acknowledging Benoit but I would rather it be done properly so therefore I wish they would've left it alone.

[Taker316]

Originally Posted by Undercurrent

I couldn't agree with you more. Chris Benoit was one of the greatest of all time and to go along with that he had one of the greatest submission finishers of all time yet individuals such as Michaels, Triple H and The Great Khali are making it look extremely weak. When Chris Benoit locked in the Crossface the fans would always rise to their feet as 95% of the time the wrestler would tap out but now wrestlers are using it with very little ring psychology. The whole purpose of the Crossface was to lock it on out of nowhere which is being done but Chris wouldn't use it in the form of an armbar where it would slow down the match so he could gain control and take a breather. When he locked in The Crossface you knew the end was near.

I know there are many who love seeing the Crossface still being used as it proves the WWE is acknowledging Benoit but I would rather it be done properly so therefore I wish they would've left it alone.

Call me crazy but somethin i'd LOVE to see happen would be MVP gettin the crossface as a finisher as he's been trained by Benoit. And i agree i cant stand pretty much EVERY wrestler using it it makes all them years of Benoit's crossface look like nothing.

Seein Nattie Neidhart goin with the ol sharpshooter is just AWESOME! Hart family legacy alright, bringin major strength into the women's division, she looks like she could resurect it by herself!

Taker's of course, very unique...but apparently *banned* now storyline wise or watever the hell is going on lol

EDIT: Khali... just ditch the submission moves please. He's boring enough as it is, we dont need to see some half-assed attempt at a submission move.

[IrishEnglishman24]

There's one thing I don't understand...why do people complain so much that Khali can't wrestle, and is a waste of space, yet whenever he shows the slightest sign of a technical wrestling move, he's being destroyed for trying? Part of submission wrestling is having the power to lock the hold on, so why is it so unreasonable for Khali to use a submission hold.

As far as the crossface goes, I don't think passing it around as a common move is such a good idea. there are a lot more moves around that could be spread around to use among the roster. The likes of a torture rack would work well with Khali.
Personally, I'd like to see someone take on the Texas Cloverleaf as a submission move because it was a very effective move when Dean Malenko used it in WWE.

[The Deejish Invasion]

Originally Posted by Polley:wanna_cracker

There's one thing I don't understand...why do people complain so much that Khali can't wrestle, and is a waste of space, yet whenever he shows the slightest sign of a technical wrestling move, he's being destroyed for trying? Part of submission wrestling is having the power to lock the hold on, so why is it so unreasonable for Khali to use a submission hold.

As far as the crossface goes, I don't think passing it around as a common move is such a good idea. there are a lot more moves around that could be spread around to use among the roster. The likes of a torture rack would work well with Khali.
Personally, I'd like to see someone take on the Texas Cloverleaf as a submission move because it was a very effective move when Dean Malenko used it in WWE.

The Problem with Khali using submission wrestling is not the fact that hes using the hold, its how hes applying the hold, Like you polly i would get Khali to use moves like the torture Rack as long as he can perform those moves properly, when he locked in the cross face on show, it didnt look believable, because he wasn't applying the hold properly which made him and the move look like a complete utter nonsense, he has a translator and has coaches who could teach him how to do it, hell the one guy on the roster (Dean Melinko) who invented the move is there to teach him how to apply it, thats my issue, not that Khali is using a technical move is the fact that if he is going to attempt to do that he should at least do it properly IMO