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Old 02-28-2018, 02:20 AM
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One complaint I have always had is a lack of fan interaction. They boast about how they listen to the WWE Universe and care so much, yet when it the last time any of us had a say in what storylines happen, match concepts, match stipulations, championships, etc? Remember Cyber Sunday and Taboo Tuesday?

You go on their website to contact them and they say to not send them storyline ideas, match ideas, blah blah blah.

That is their problem. Their product is stagnant because they refuse to allow others to voice their opinions and give suggestions for improvement and new ideas.

I mean take me for example, I run my own private E-Fed with a few friends of mine, we have been going on for a few years. We have our shows, events, superstars, We mix some stuff from TNA and WWE in, but then we have also introduced concepts that WWE has never even accomplished.

Take for example one match of ours that is called Survivalism. Its a simple concept really. Its a mash up of Royal Rumble, Slobber Knocker and Championship Scramble. You have one superstar who starts out, deemed the survivalist. Another superstar enters and attempts to eliminate the survivalist to become the new survivalist, every two minutes a new superstar enters, the last person standing is crowed the Survivalist. And they get awarded seven chances at a championship of their choosing.

The catch? They must defend their championship against a random opponent every week on their brand they are assigned to. Losing their title they have six chances left, once they run out of chances, they are not allowed to hold nor match up for that particular championship until the Survivalist match the following year.

Where is the creativity in WWE? I can come up with something like that, but they cannot? Lol.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:24 AM
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One complaint I have always had is a lack of fan interaction. They boast about how they listen to the WWE Universe and care so much, yet when it the last time any of us had a say in what storylines happen, match concepts, match stipulations, championships, etc? Remember Cyber Sunday and Taboo Tuesday?

You go on their website to contact them and they say to not send them storyline ideas, match ideas, blah blah blah.

That is their problem. Their product is stagnant because they refuse to allow others to voice their opinions and give suggestions for improvement and new ideas.

I mean take me for example, I run my own private E-Fed with a few friends of mine, we have been going on for a few years. We have our shows, events, superstars, We mix some stuff from TNA and WWE in, but then we have also introduced concepts that WWE has never even accomplished.

Take for example one match of ours that is called Survivalism. Its a simple concept really. Its a mash up of Royal Rumble, Slobber Knocker and Championship Scramble. You have one superstar who starts out, deemed the survivalist. Another superstar enters and attempts to eliminate the survivalist to become the new survivalist, every two minutes a new superstar enters, the last person standing is crowed the Survivalist. And they get awarded seven chances at a championship of their choosing.

The catch? They must defend their championship against a random opponent every week on their brand they are assigned to. Losing their title they have six chances left, once they run out of chances, they are not allowed to hold nor match up for that particular championship until the Survivalist match the following year.

Where is the creativity in WWE? I can come up with something like that, but they cannot? Lol.
I'm pretty sure I came up with that when I was 8 years old playing with my LJN wrestling figures...and I wasn't the first one. This is "creative" in the sense that you thought of something you haven't seen. Just like me suggesting championship belts be made out of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches would be "creative". What people like you somehow fail to understand is that WWE has ideas too; but, their years of experience stop them from taking a bad idea (your Survivalist match) and making it a reality. I imagine someone already had this idea...maybe in the late 70s...pitched it to Vince and was fired soon after.

I agree that WWE needs to freshen up their ideas. The Rumble this year had entrants coming in after 60 seconds, 75 seconds, 90 seconds...it was terribly inconsistent and I was thrilled because when you know only a couple of guys might win, my feeling was "let's hurry this along". I was never a Rey fan, but that was a cool surprise. The Kofi bit has gotten old, but it doesn't bother me because it's a quick moment in each Rumble and he is never a contender anyway. I think you need moments like that to keep the match going. I enjoyed this Rumble (men's...haven't seen the women's yet) more than I have enjoyed a Rumble in a long time. I don't give WWE much credit there, as I'm sure that was more trying to fit in two Rumbles than realizing two minutes between entrants is too long. Hopefully, they will realize they stepped in it and keep the quicker entrances going forward.

Honestly, I think anyone who has an online federation or whatever they're called is lucky to have a group of people who enjoy their hobby and I think it is great that they can use their creativity in that way. I say enjoy it.
BUT when you then try to bring it to the level of WWE, that is when I change my view of you as someone who enjoys their hobby to the delusional, cliché adult wrestling fan who more than likely is chubby, bearded with glasses and wears t-shirts of superstars and catchphrases, while angrily venting on their smart device during Raw, SmackDown, that 205 show, NXT, this mixed tag whatever and everything else. (Sorry, but go on social media--these guys all look the same).

I loved wrestling as a kid and now follow it as an adult, but I DO NOT have a problem with someone who loves it as an adult. I don't read comic books, but think it's great if some adult enjoys comic books. I don't play video games, but if that is what some adult enjoys, go for it! I honestly think if you are an adult, but harmlessly enjoy something traditionally aimed at kids, it is fine. But, when you don't enjoy it and stay with it only to complain--these guys in the first row of PPVs with belt replicas on their shoulders, counting down the 10 seconds until the next Rumble entrant at the top of their lungs...only to hate everything they're seeing and being convinced they can do better. That is when I cringe. If you don't enjoy it, stop wasting your time complaining about it and find something you do enjoy.

To the OP, I agree WWE would do itself a favor to be more creative and stop simply coasting on past ideas that still work. Sure, if it aint broke don't fix it...but it is broke. The Rumble itself can still work, but the title opportunity at Mania and the 2 or 3 guys possibly being able to win it are the broken parts that need fixing. Just stop with the "how can I think of this and WWE can't?" business. Like I said, they have thought of it and they dismissed it--and rightfully so. Back to the drawing board. I do hope you come up with a good idea though. They could use some.
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One complaint I have always had is a lack of fan interaction. They boast about how they listen to the WWE Universe and care so much, yet when it the last time any of us had a say in what storylines happen, match concepts, match stipulations, championships, etc? Remember Cyber Sunday and Taboo Tuesday?

You go on their website to contact them and they say to not send them storyline ideas, match ideas, blah blah blah.

That is their problem. Their product is stagnant because they refuse to allow others to voice their opinions and give suggestions for improvement and new ideas.

I mean take me for example, I run my own private E-Fed with a few friends of mine, we have been going on for a few years. We have our shows, events, superstars, We mix some stuff from TNA and WWE in, but then we have also introduced concepts that WWE has never even accomplished.

Take for example one match of ours that is called Survivalism. Its a simple concept really. Its a mash up of Royal Rumble, Slobber Knocker and Championship Scramble. You have one superstar who starts out, deemed the survivalist. Another superstar enters and attempts to eliminate the survivalist to become the new survivalist, every two minutes a new superstar enters, the last person standing is crowed the Survivalist. And they get awarded seven chances at a championship of their choosing.

The catch? They must defend their championship against a random opponent every week on their brand they are assigned to. Losing their title they have six chances left, once they run out of chances, they are not allowed to hold nor match up for that particular championship until the Survivalist match the following year.

Where is the creativity in WWE? I can come up with something like that, but they cannot? Lol.
That's an awful idea. A champ must lose 6 times before they lose the belt? What sort of champion loses 6 times in a year?

Creativity is important but some ideas are just awful. Creativity =/= Good.
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Old 03-05-2018, 09:08 AM
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The current product of WWE just feels forced in everything they do, it's hard to stay focused week in week out with what they put on, I feel there are way too many shows to keep up with and that needs to be toned down. Most of the time its too predictable and there is very little wow/shock, there are several things I feel they need to fix in order to make the product better:

1) Switch Raw to 2 hours - with it being 3 hours, I feel its way too much and predictable as they always open with a segment just to kill time for like the first 40 minutes, then its a match then its another like 2 segments. It would be great if they toned it down to 2 hours and focused more on the wrestling inside the ring with very little segments that don't amount to anything other than just to kill time.

2) Merge the CW division with NXT - I've read several rumours that Triple H is now in charge of the CW division which is great as I feel he will focus more on the in ring product, but it would be great if they cancelled the 205 live show which airs straight after Smackdown which again is a lot for the average fan to take in. Merge it with NXT and let then shine along with NXT rather than giving them 10 minutes on Raw and then a whole 1 to 2 hours the next night straight after Smackdown.

3) Build Shinsuke Nakamura up properly - I was stoked when Nakamura came up and went straight to Smackdown as I felt that is where he would be best used, he had a decent feud with Ziggler BUT they should have built up his matches with John Cena who he should have faced AT SummerSlam where Cena puts him over and face Randy Orton potentially at Hell in a Cell and let them be on Pay-Per-View instead of giving them away on Smackdown Live with little to no fricken build.

He then went on to lose TWICE to Mahal on two consecutive PPV's, now he's gone on to win the Royal Rumble and if and when he does with the WWE title from AJ at Mania it will be a feel good moment but I don't think it will be as great as it should be.

4) Over usage of Shane & Stephanie McMahon - Especially with Stephanie, they need to dial it back a bit with these two. They have two general managers in charge with Daniel Bryan & Kurt Angle but the McMahon's are just constantly there, let the GM's do their job and let Shane & Steph show up every couple of months instead of being there week in and week out, I feel that with Steph she constantly has to just be there to put a huge dampener on everything and devalue everyone and everything and she just has to be at the centre of EVERYTHING. Just let Shane and Steph work backstage and every couple of months let them appear on TV.

5) Build up the Tag Team & mid card divisions - it gets a bit boring with seeing the same tag matches and same mid card title feuds for the better part of a year, mix it up a little, possibly move Sheamus and Cesaro to Smackdown with another team going in the opposite direction. DO ANYTHING to spice it up and make it mean something more. Invest more time in guys like Dillinger and others and allow them to become credible threats for a mid card title. Stop playing hot potatoes with titles just for the sake of letting them break records and title reigns, let it run smoothly.

6) Cutting shows/ppvs - This worked during the original brand split from 2002-2008/9 give Raw & Smackdown one ppv a month like they originally did, bring back King of the Ring and put it as one of the top 5 along with RR, WM, SS & SS. Let stories build up properly if Raw has a ppv in April let Smackdown have one in May or vice versa, now I've just read that they will be merged together as one ppv a month for both shows which is just horrible due to the amount of titles they have it will also increase the hours of ppv and decrease lower mid card guys potential to get onto a ppv, have one ppv a month and split it evenly between Raw & SM with both sharing the top 5 ppvs.

7) Have a draft lottery after either Wrestlemania OR Summerslam - if they do this I feel the product can be better, ok I do enoy it when several NXT guys are called up unannounced and when its least expected it can be decent, but move some guys around freshen up the product. Miz & Wyatt should have stayed on Smackdown where they could flourish (see next point). No one should be exempt from the draft lottery.

8) Build Wyatt, Balor, Gallows, Anderson, Neville, Mike Kanellis, Rusev & Mahal - Build these guys up, make them mean something. Move them all over to Smackdown, I know Mike is already there perhaps move him down to NXT and let him flourish over there, make The Club an unstopable force to be reckoned with, allow Wyatt to be built as a credible threat to the title and BRING BACK NEVILLE and stick him on Smackdown and let him go for the US title, he has out grown the CW division. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if these guys left later on this year and it would serve WWE right for not investing more time and effort with these guys.

They rushed Mahal to the top way to early way to fast, they should of let him win the Andre the Giant Battle Royal at Mania, and then make him in a tournament of some sort to win the title. Instead he just won a random six pack challenge match out of nowhere, once he won the title they should have given him some fresh guys to go against instead of wrestling Ortin THREE TIMES AND NAKAMURA TWICE, why not let him go over Cena or someone else. I would have liked him to be built up on his return to the WWE and see him go against Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series 2017.

9) Build Roman Reigns up properly - They started at the top and worked there way down with Reigns, after he left the Shield he should have been protected and built properly, let him be silent but deadly, change his gear and music, work on his negatives and showcase his positives. Day by Day he is improving BUT they rushed him to hard to fast in winning the WWE title, he should have been built up as a credible threat for the title towards WM 32 and have him go against John Cena and win his 1st title there. But first let him win a mid card title or something instead of doing it ass backwards.

He's only been wrestling since like 2010/11 which isn't very long, or it could be I just feel there needs to be more work done with Reigns. I'm not knocking him AT ALL because I do enjoy his work but they need to tone it down a bit with making him unstoppable and nothing phasing him, build him up properly.

10) Commentary Team - I used to love the commentary team back in the day, now I can't really stand them as they just bicker about pure crap and less focus on the actual wrestling, they talk about Social Media more which is understandable they're just doing what they've been told. 2 commentators is ok, 3 is enough unless you have someone join the commentary table for a match that is okay, Smackdown had 4 COMMENTATORS LAST YEAR which again is waaaaaaaay too many.

Back in the day you had JR & King on Raw & Cole and Tazz or JBL on Smackdown which was enough and it was decently well put together, I don't really care for the current commentary team of Tom Phillips and Byron Saxton, I did enjoy the work of Mauro Ranallo I think himself and JBL could of done great or possibly Corey Saxton and Ranallo would of been better but I just can't get behind them. Michael Cole has his moments but his over usage of OH MY is terrible. NXT does wonders with their commantary team of Ranallo and Desmond Wolfe.

When Reigns won the IC title, Cole said he's won the one title that's eluded him his entire career which doesn't make sense because it was his first time going for the title, he won it on his first try I'm sure he did. If anything why didn't they make a big deal about Ambrose being a grandslam champion because he technically is. BRING BACK JR for your top 4 ppvs and let him call good ol' story telling.

I know that's a lot to take in but I feel they need to spice it up here, invest more time in each division build up your credible stars and make them mean something to the fans. Don't force everything just for the sake of doing it let it run smoothly and the fans may appreciate it more.

I may get some stick for knocking the current product with fans telling me not to watch, but you can't help but not watch whats going on otherwise you may miss something decent aka I missed the start of the Summer of Punk in 2011 and that was some good story telling with the frustration of CM Punk.

I'm not asking for it to go back to the good ol' Attitude Era just make it better and establish your stars. They give the wrestlers crap characters/storylines and expect them to get over with that but instead let them do what they do best and that way you''ll have yourself a future star in the making.

Lastly BUILD MORE THAN ONE STAR, they focused waaaaay too much on one guy and when he gets injured they have no one to turn to because they couldn't be bothered in the first place to help them get over. One can only hope for a better product.
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I’m going to give my two cents about two types of contrarian WWE fans. There’s the group of fans who hate what WWE does without really having good reasoning. Then, there’s the group that berates and overgeneralizes “smarks” for complaining to begin with.

For the ones who criticize WWE, add substance to your arguments. Reasonable fans shouldn’t hate Roman Reigns because of WWE’s bad booking. Some, like myself, were even willing to go with the flow of the company’s planned push for him, seeing his potential as “The Guy.” Poor execution and WWE’s inability to admit fault in the situation is frustrating and turns a lot of fans off, but hating Reigns? I mean, you’re free to feel how you want, but at this point people should know he’s hardly to blame. I feel other aspects of the company are unfairly criticized as well and it creates this unnecessary schism between fans in general.

Then, we have the deflectors. These individuals defend Vince’s right to do what he wants with his company and push whoever he wants. This is a foolish position to take because ultimately, fans make the product possible.

All of McMahon’s successes—Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, The Rock—they were the result of fans getting behind them. Vince may be the genius who saw their value, but he didn’t create the interest. Outside forces managed to do it and Vince was smart about capitalizing on it.

Vince McMahon hasn’t been able to actually create a bonafide, undisputed major superstar of his own since John Cena over a decade ago. When he does find a Roman Reigns-type, he botches their push. Deflectors tell “smarks” that “little midgets who do moonsaults and 50 flips can’t be the top guy.” “Smarks” aren’t asking for that, however. They just want a good product.

If a guy like Finn Balor is popular, let him be the top guy. If Lars Sullivan is over, push him correctly and make him a star. I don’t care if Big Cass or Roman becomes the top worker in WWE, but do it right. Don’t waste your fans’ time. It’s infuriating that deflectors overgeneralize fans for not liking a lackluster product. It’s also dumb to berate good workers and pretend that you know they wouldn’t sell when no one can see the future.

When it comes to our complaints, we just want a good product, a promotion that doesn’t suck when we watch it. Again, Hulk Hogan 2.0 can walk through the door and entertain the hell out of us, but WWE needs to push him right and do it the best way possible.
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Todays wrestling is so fast and choreographed, no body sells anymore. They get dropkicked off the top rope and bounce right back up so they can take the next move. Wrestlers need to SLOW DOWN! Tell a story..grab a body part and work on it the whole match..and SELL IT!! Have the fans thinking how in the world the wrestler can win when his leg has been worked on and injured the whole match and he's limping around..can't jump or run as well. Or sell an arm..if the wrestler is right handed..have his opponent work the right arm..taking away the use of the arm. Slowly build to
a finish..again SLOW DOWN..TELL A STORY. Today's wrestling looks like nothing more than a dance. They get put through tables..hit with steps..and STILL kick out!! Its ridiculous. Theyre killing the business because they keep having to up the ante. It isn't wrestling anymore..its choreographed synced garbage. The promos dont hit hard anymore..they don't make you sit up and take notice of what the wrestler is saying. Its just like yeah yeah. These wrestlers have gimmicks that don't resinate with anything real about the wrestler. Take Austin for example..his gimmick stone cold was just an amped up version if who he really was..and look at what he accomplished. Hogan contradicts my previous statement but man he could cut a promo. Hogan actually made himself believe in what he was saying..and it came across as genuine..not some idiot memorizing a script. Its just garbage compared to what it was before. Just my opinion. If you respond to this please do so respectfully. As I said its just my opinion. And of you state yours do so respectfully. Thank you.
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I agree with you on this but I Wouldn't put the wwe at less the main roster part of the company as less of those choreographed matches and more of the telling a story slow matches we're wrestlers actually sell or like what I like to call them, the matches that Dave Meltzer hate which mean that most hardcore wrestling fans will hate. The current wrestling fans want to watch matches with 50 fall finishes and look fake because it feel too choreograph which is a problem on the indy's and in NXT.

The only problem the main roster as is on the promo front in my opinion, but that's because a lot of them, especially on the mid card don't have the experience to cut promos and nxt isn't really giving them to chance to learn how to improvise on promos and it's just the generic scripted promo they learn at the performance centre which in the end is hurting them more then helping them.
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I’m going to give my two cents about two types of contrarian WWE fans. There’s the group of fans who hate what WWE does without really having good reasoning. Then, there’s the group that berates and overgeneralizes “smarks” for complaining to begin with.

For the ones who criticize WWE, add substance to your arguments. Reasonable fans shouldn’t hate Roman Reigns because of WWE’s bad booking. Some, like myself, were even willing to go with the flow of the company’s planned push for him, seeing his potential as “The Guy.” Poor execution and WWE’s inability to admit fault in the situation is frustrating and turns a lot of fans off, but hating Reigns? I mean, you’re free to feel how you want, but at this point people should know he’s hardly to blame. I feel other aspects of the company are unfairly criticized as well and it creates this unnecessary schism between fans in general.

Then, we have the deflectors. These individuals defend Vince’s right to do what he wants with his company and push whoever he wants. This is a foolish position to take because ultimately, fans make the product possible.

All of McMahon’s successes—Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, The Rock—they were the result of fans getting behind them. Vince may be the genius who saw their value, but he didn’t create the interest. Outside forces managed to do it and Vince was smart about capitalizing on it.

Vince McMahon hasn’t been able to actually create a bonafide, undisputed major superstar of his own since John Cena over a decade ago. When he does find a Roman Reigns-type, he botches their push. Deflectors tell “smarks” that “little midgets who do moonsaults and 50 flips can’t be the top guy.” “Smarks” aren’t asking for that, however. They just want a good product.

If a guy like Finn Balor is popular, let him be the top guy. If Lars Sullivan is over, push him correctly and make him a star. I don’t care if Big Cass or Roman becomes the top worker in WWE, but do it right. Don’t waste your fans’ time. It’s infuriating that deflectors overgeneralize fans for not liking a lackluster product. It’s also dumb to berate good workers and pretend that you know they wouldn’t sell when no one can see the future.

When it comes to our complaints, we just want a good product, a promotion that doesn’t suck when we watch it. Again, Hulk Hogan 2.0 can walk through the door and entertain the hell out of us, but WWE needs to push him right and do it the best way possible.
I get you're point and they are valid point. I considered myself one of those that will call the smarks on their bullshit but I always give a reason why they're opinion is wrong.

WWE as whole is all about money and how they can make money. It was that way during the territories days with Vince Sr and it stayed like this during to Hogan era all the way to today. The difference is that now, they have to deal with a different animal all together in the fact that they have so many different type of fans so the way they see who's over and who's not isn't with who the fans cheer for anymore but who's selling the most merchandise for them. Reigns for all the bad booking decisions, all the hate the smarks as toward him or the way he's was booked, his still the no.2 merchandise seller in the company so technically in the eyes of Vince and other people's within the company, reigns is one of the more over guy on the roster so they will continue pushing the guy no matter what the smarks says.

Daniel Bryan wrote it in his book, the reason they put a halt to his first push was because while he was getting the loudest cheers, that didn't translate into money because nobody was buying his merchandise. So in today's wwe, you want somebody to get a main event spot, you need to support him by buying is merchandise because just cheering for the guy isn't working anymore.
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Well I agree with you on this..All matches are becoming more kicks and top rope manoeuvres and less technical..When I look at Ronda's debut match at WM it was a difference in that aspect and that's why it stood out of rest of the matches...It was great to watch HHH and Angle working some old school moves even though they where slow it was good..That's how you do it..And Ronda too delivered..
And another thing is storytelling for the match itself..They lack good stories and purpose for a match..I mean why should I watch a match between two guys who has no purpose to fight for..That are trying to create stories but very lackluster in generating interests from fans..Very strong scripts, storylines and promos are always the key to produce interest for watching something whether it's wrestling or any other entertainment product...One such story that could be great right now is Miz vs Bryan..They can turn it into a great story and I hope they do so..Also Bray and Matt is another case they can work wonders if done right..
But what they are doing right now is authority figures making random matches and a series of matches between that same pair of guys , week in and week out without any great story or purpose and the end result is disappointment from everywhere and everyone, even for themselves..
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I agree with you on this but I Wouldn't put the wwe at less the main roster part of the company as less of those choreographed matches and more of the telling a story slow matches we're wrestlers actually sell or like what I like to call them, the matches that Dave Meltzer hate which mean that most hardcore wrestling fans will hate. The current wrestling fans want to watch matches with 50 fall finishes and look fake because it feel too choreograph which is a problem on the indy's and in NXT.

The only problem the main roster as is on the promo front in my opinion, but that's because a lot of them, especially on the mid card don't have the experience to cut promos and nxt isn't really giving them to chance to learn how to improvise on promos and it's just the generic scripted promo they learn at the performance centre which in the end is hurting them more then helping them.
You're fucking clueless, NXT promos are in bullet point format and have been since the network started...
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