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View Poll Results: How do you feel about CM Punk invoking Christlike Imagery?
I like it. 88 70.97%
It insults me on a religious level. 8 6.45%
It insults my intelligence. 4 3.23%
I'm indifferent towards it. 24 19.35%
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:57 PM
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Default The Straight Edge Messiah and the Bibical Messiah

Since becoming the leader of Nexus, CM Punk has taken his Straight Edge Messiah persona to the next level. While he has certainly suppressed the Straight Edge aspect of his personality, he has taken to using Jesus imagery.

Let's look at just three of the examples of CM Punk's use of invoking Jesus imagery.

1) CM Punk teases sacrificing himself- A week ago CM Punk put the members of Nexus through their paces for initiation, promising to save the most dramatic and meaningful task for himself. His promise seemed like it would be fulfilled when he climbed to the top of the Titantron, claiming he was going to sacrifice himself by jumping off the top, falling to what would be certain death.

This is clearly an allusion to Jesus' sacrifice of himself. As the good book said, Jesus sacrificed himself so he could die for our sins. CM Punk was going to die for a much less noble reason, to prove Nexus is serious business, but he was sacrificing himself none the less.

Of course, CM Punk didn't sacrifice himself, but that doesn't change the fact that he invoked the illusion in the first place.

2) CM Punk lectures Nexus on faith- This occurred on this past RAW, as the three members of Nexus clamored in the locker room about how CM Punk seemed to be leading them to doom. Punk overhears this conversation and laughs and calmly says the word faith. The next time we see Punk and the Nexus he is repeating the word over and over again, and Nexus looks baffled and bored.

Jesus Christ wouldn't be the Jesus Christ we all know and love if it wasn't for him teaching his apostles about faith. CM Punk also utilized classic Jesus Christ patience too as he took his perhaps mutinous soldiers and talked to them with a smile on his face and a calm tone of voice.

3) CM Punk does the Jesus pose- CM Punk has used the Jesus on the cross pose a few times, but none more obvious and blatant than when he used it tonight at the end of the Cena match when Mason Ryan hit him with the boot. With an infuriating smile on his face, Punk put out his arms and cocked his head to the side...
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and allowed himself to be hit with the boot.

This, in my opinion, was the most obvious Christ imagery utilized by Punk yet. The acceptance of pain and cross pose was a clear reference to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Now I will be quite honest, I am insulted by this, and I can't explain why with 100% certainty. I am not religious at all, and I was raised Jewish so I am not insulted at a religious level. I think I am insulted because of how obvious this angle is, or possibly because I know how sacred this could be to some people, though I believe it's because of the former.

However, I cannot argue with the effectiveness of this angle. Whether you worship Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, respect him as a great philosopher, or believe he's a made up character, you can't deny that CM Punk comparing himself to Jesus is infuriating. Jesus is a symbol of peace and love, and CM Punk is the leader of one of the most violent groups in WWE history. Jesus was a caring man who preached the golden rule, CM Punk is a violent man who assaults his own followers and uses them to assault his enemies. If anything, CM Punk is more similar to Satan than Christ, which is why the fact he uses the Jesus imagery is so damn infuriating.

So what do you think? Do you think the CM Punk/Jesus angle is stupid? Insulting? Aggravating? Are you totally okay with it?

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Old 01-17-2011, 11:08 PM
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I am not religious (though I study religion), nor am I affiliated with Christianity, but I see no reason why anyone should be offended. Punk's Nexus has a lot in line with a cult, and cult leaders purposefully use religious symbolism and imagery to reinforce their status as leader and "chosen" by whatever it is they are claiming to be "chosen" by. The character/script, I would say, isn't necessarily mirroring Jesus himself, but rather, to cult-leader archetype (It would be actual cult leaders who would be utilizing the symbolism and allusion). What does strike me as odd is turning Punk into a more 'messianic figure' with Nexus. Personally, it seemed to fit better when he was with the Straight Edge Society- he had cultic followers (whereas Nexus has more of a personality as a whole, especially Otunga), he had the "message", and he had the look. Maybe, since I know Smackdown has more of a child/family oriented tone than RAW, they had to wait until Punk made the transition to RAW?
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While it doesn't necessarily offend me on a spiritual level, I can see it garnering some sort of backlash from religious fans. However, it's the perfect way to bring him even more heat than when he was the straight-edge messiah.
Old 01-17-2011, 11:14 PM
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I am insulted by this
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I find it hypocritical if people who beg for TV-14 things, blood, and swearing get offended by things like this.

Like Jerry Lawler said, he is basically making it a cult.

CM Punk being the total opposite and being like "Satan" is pure gold. He is getting great heel heat for it too.

People think guys going through flaming tables, Abyss torturing people, and huge amounts of blood is awesome, but if someone says "faith" that's over the line?

Your beliefs shouldn't compromise my entertainment. WWE already dealt with this with the Parent's Television Council.
Old 01-17-2011, 11:24 PM
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I agree with sup, who ever gets offended change the channel. Its entertainment...now if punk ends up on a cross in the ring and nexus grab plastic spears and start jabbing him and putting barbwire on his head yeah then its offensive..Punk doing this is going over as a heel Perfect...He got socked by a fan in the face and all he had to say is "Im doing my job perfectly" thats awesome..this guy I think is wwe's top heel we've ever seen if not the top hes in the top 3.
Old 01-17-2011, 11:28 PM
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To The Suplexer Perecter:

I'm guessing the people who are begging for the tv-14 rating to come back are gonna be the same people offended by this. Just because we are all wrestling fans doesn't mean we all want blood and gore. Some do, some don't. The people who post on these boards is such a small amount of the wrestling audience. You shouldn't think we represent the majority.

"Your beliefs shouldn't compromise with my entertainment."

Are you mad. Beliefs are what form television ratings and content. Do you think when the FCC fines somebody for cursing on a live event, it's just because they had nothing better to do. It's because there are rules in place regulating it. Rules creating on people's beliefs.

1 belief I have is it is wrong to rape somebody. If you find that as entertainment, my belief might compromise your entertainment. For that, let me apologize.

Back on topic, CM Punk did not do anything other wrestlers haven't done in similar ways. Undertaker crucifying himself, HHH calling himself the king of kings, a name usually saved for God. It is what it is, and if it offends, change the channel.
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This is bound to get CM Punk some heat from the fans, but it's good heat.

WWE has done some offensive religious angles. "God" as a tag team partner and McMahonism comes to mind. Those were blatantly sacrilegious. Punk's messiah angle is not. Punk has done it before, with his straightedge messiah gimmick during the Straight Edge Society phase, and there was some controversy there, too. Howver, I don't think the symbolism is meant to offend Christians or anything of the sort; I think it's more to just show how Punk thinks of himself. He's crazy enough to think that he's the savior of the people following him. The crucifixion is perhaps the most famous religious symbol, so Punk mimics the sacrifice that it represents to show what he is doing.

The most important factor here is that it's mimicry, not mockery. The point of the symbolism is not to mock Jesus or offend Christians. It's how Punk perceives himself, and it's a very effective way to show it. I'm more than okay with it. I'll go far enough to say that it's brilliant. What a great way to distinguish Punk's character.
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I may be way off here...but I'm not seeing why anyone should be offended while watching CM Punk. Granted..I will say that his actions do have some religious innuendos (might be spelled wrong). But people that watch this need to understand that it's not real. It's sports ENTERTAINMENT. I agree with what jholcomb22 said in the last line of his post. "It is what it is, and if it offends, change the channel." It really is that simple.
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Love it or hate it, this angle is bigger than anything we have seen in a long time. Although it will more than likely culminate with hopefully a huge angle twist at Wrestlemania. The last major twist we have seen at WM was Austin turning heel on the Rock. WWE needs something like this to upset people, to get under their skin, and get people talking about it. This is the road to Wrestlemania and all. I am impartial to the whole story of his messiah gimmick, as a matter of fact, beyond all that this match with Cena was probably one of the best matches that I have seen someone else carry Cena through. CM Punk is the top heel in the company, he has another huge stable that he is running, and hopefully will win in two weeks in order to take his talents into the headline at Wrestlemania. Everyone that has the idea that they are offended by the relationship to sacrificing himself and his followers, you are buying into the gimmick, and that is exactly what Vince McMahon wants at this of year.
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Look Im a Christian(Baptist to be exact) I have NO Problem at all with this. Im enjoying this angle alot as this is suppossed to be kinda like a Cult and most Cults have the Leader acting like they're God and the followers believing what they preach and thinking they're God. Punk is doing a Very Good Job at it as well. but it could be because Im StraightEdge and a HUGE Fan/Mark of Punk.
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