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In sports, putting together ANY winning streak is tough. From basketball to squash, most competitors will at some point or another not win. That's not to say they lost, maybe they got a draw, but most importantly they did not win. In history, there have been many great streaks, in all kinds of sports. Although, in some sports it is harder and in some it is easier, in a sport like boxing, one wrong move and that's it. You must be precise and at the top of your game to put together a winning streak, so Julio Cesar Chavez' winning streak of 88 straight in professional bouts is something unheard of. Although Rocky Marciano had put together a 49 fight win streak during his career, that is nowhere near as good as Chavez. Chavez was the best at his sport throughout most of his 25 year career, and this streak was just something that he worked hard to earn.

Chavez' streak began on February 5th, 1980 in his first professional bout and ended on September 10th, 1993, spanning 13 years. He first fought in Mexico then moved on to the United States where he headlined many a Pay-Per-View in his career, and was loved by the fans. In essence, wherever he went the allure of the streak followed. The thing about the streak, though, is that he won most of his fights by KO or TKO, absolutely dominating his opponents. He was considered throughout the streak to be the greatest pound-for-pound fighter on earth and was a champion in many different divisions, spanning from Super Featherweight to Light Welterweight. Chavez' dominance over his sport at the time was cemented when he earned Fighter of the Year honors from Ring Magazine in 1990. He was later, on December 7th, 2010 inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

Most streaks pale in comparison to this one for one reason, consistency. By saying this I don't mean consistency in winning, because obviously it would not be a streak then, but rather his consistency in how well he performed. He was almost NEVER in trouble in any of his fights during the win streak, and that's not to say he faced bad competition either. He faced all comers and faced fighters of the year, champions, and future hall of famers. Chavez was, simply put, a man amongst boys. The thing about boxing is that if you make one wrong move, you'll lose, so, for 13 years Chavez did everything right. He swept the floor with people becoming a better fighter with every fight.

Some would use my previous argument against me, though. Maybe Chavez' opponents just made mistakes that he capitalized on, that the streak wasn't that great. In my opinion, that's what makes it so good. To win you must capitalize on the mistakes your opponent makes, that is what makes a good winner. Like in any streak, Chavez adapted to the environment and won the fight. Chavez' streak really changed the sport of boxing as well, as it had to adapt to him. Smaller fighters became the focus, because the fans saw the ability that he had, they wanted to see the streak... so, they got familiar with the smaller guys. His success led to guys like Floyd Mayweather, Manny Paquiao, and Oscar De La Hoya being given the spotlight, guys who would then continue on with what Chavez did and really carry the sport. Although today boxing doesn't mean much, during his time it did, and his streak was a HUGE reason why. His streak is one of the very few that TRULY revolutionized a sport and to say that about a sport like boxing where tradition is key, is truly astounding.

All in all, I say Chavez' streak is probably the greatest and most important winning streak in the history of sports. Chavez revolutionized boxing and truly dominated the sport. His career is shaped by the streak and the streak itself is, to this day, still a thing of legend. His son, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., a boxer himself, has even had his career impacted in a big way by it. Julio Cesar Chavez' 88 fight win streak in boxing is the most impressive winning streak in sports history.
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Over the history of sports, there have been many famous winning streaks. However, there is one winning streak who is above all and that belongs to the man known as Edwin Moses. Moses is an American track star whose streak reached a grand total of 107 consecutive finals victories in the 400 meter hurdles event and a 122 victories overall. This streak is number one for a numerous amount of reasons:

The toughness of 400 meter hurdles

The sport of track and field is no easy task. In the event that Moses is known for, it is extremely difficult. First off, in every track event you must get out of the gate good. That is no easy task, and especially not 122 consecutive time in a row will one get a great jump that is required to win the race, however Moses did it every time. 400 meters is not a very long race and every millisecond is crucial, and to take advantage of it Moses ran only 13 steps in between hurdles while everybody else ran 14 steps. These 13 steps in between hurdles is something coaches did not even think was possible, however Moses did it, and he made it look easy. The skill that it took to not only master that technique but to do it flawlessly is unfathomable and it just makes what Moses accomplished even more impressive.


The Duration of the Streak

Edwin Moses' historic run began in the year August 1977 and did not end nine years, nine months, and nine days, which was in May 1987. To be the best of the best in your competition is one thing but to do it for a practically an entire decade is another. The pure dominance of Moses is unheralded and to do it in a sport like track and field is insanity.

The Illness and Injury in the Middle of the Streak

Moses missed an entire season due to injury and illness in 1982 and then as soon he came back he picked up right where he left off to continue his domination of the 400 meter hurdles. The fact that he could miss an entire season and still come back and win manifests the true domination of Moses in his day and shows how impressive his streak really was. And it more then likely would've been a much longer streak if it weren't for Moses getting sick or ill in 1982.

The Records Broken During the Streak

During the 107 finals win streak and 122 consecutive win streak, Moses won one Olympic Gold (the only one he competed in during the streak due to US Boycott in 1980) and also broke the World Record 4 times. Moses accolades during the streak is extremely impressive for just one event and to continue to get better throughout 10 years and to continuously beat his record is far none just as impressive as the win streak Moses put together.

Overall, Moses' streak is the most impressive win streak in the history of sports and when somebody completely dominates the sport of track and field for a decade please come and find me.

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Julio Cesar Chavez' streak is incredibly impressive however it fails in comparison to Edwin Moses.

First off, while nobody has gone off to win as many matches in a row as Mr. Chavez has accomplished there are boxers who have gone on to be undefeated in their careers. As Crock pointed out Rocky Marciano pulled off a streak of 49-0 before calling it a career, while the number is not as high the fact that he has gone undefeated tarnishes Chavez' streak just a tad. In fact other boxers such as Ricardo Lopez who went 51-0-1 and his only draw was due to an accidental headbutt stopping the fight. Another famous fighter that is still undefeated is Floyd "Money" Mayweather (41-0). While yes they have not gotten near the streak of Chavez, it is proven that boxers can be undefeated in the sport of boxing, while that can not be said for the 400 meter hurdles.
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:27 PM
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Julio Cesar Chavez' streak is incredibly impressive however it fails in comparison to Edwin Moses.

First off, while nobody has gone off to win as many matches in a row as Mr. Chavez has accomplished there are boxers who have gone on to be undefeated in their careers. As Crock pointed out Rocky Marciano pulled off a streak of 49-0 before calling it a career, while the number is not as high the fact that he has gone undefeated tarnishes Chavez' streak just a tad. In fact other boxers such as Ricardo Lopez who went 51-0-1 and his only draw was due to an accidental headbutt stopping the fight. Another famous fighter that is still undefeated is Floyd "Money" Mayweather (41-0). While yes they have not gotten near the streak of Chavez, it is proven that boxers can be undefeated in the sport of boxing, while that can not be said for the 400 meter hurdles.
Sure, boxers like Marciano have retired undefeated, but that will always raise the question of whether they could have kept going, or even how many fights he had a year. Also, I believe that Marciano didn't fight a large variety of fighters, like Chavez did. Bringing up Mayweather is also another flimsy example due to the fact that he hasn't fought all the top guys in his division. You either choose to ignore it, or don't remember, but Mayweather has never fought Pac-Man. There have been many accusations of ducking fighters against Mayweather, so that makes his streak look even less impressive, because a guy like Chavez fought all comers and there was NO QUESTION he was the top guy. So, at the end of the day, while Mayweather and Marciano had impressive streaks they truly pale in comparison to Chavez. I said it before, and I'll say it again, until someone wins 88 straight fights there will be no comparison to Chavez' streak in boxing.
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There's a lot of memorable streaks that have been held within the sports world - the Patriots 21 straight wins in the combined 2006-07 season, two separate 34 game winning streaks in college baseball, the Oklahoma football 47 game winning streak in the 1950s, and, of course, the UCLA mens 88 game winning streak during the 70's. However, there is one that stands above the rest and, which just ended recently, it is the 90 game winning streak by the UConn Women's Basketball team. Here are some jaw dropping facts that these UConn women accomplished during the streak:

-UConn had trailed all of 134 minutes during the entire winning streak, including only 13 minutes in the second half. That is a whopping 1:29.3 seconds PER GAME. Out of 40 minutes, they averaged of being down less then 2 minutes of that.
-And many people bash this streak because of their lack of competition, which is also false. In fact, 30 of their 90 wins (an even 33.33%) were against ranked opponents. That is a hell of a lot of ranked teams.
-There were only 2 games out of the 90 where they won by single digits. Yes, 2 of 90, a shockingly low 2% of their games. And, like I mentioned, they played 30 ranked teams during the streak. Only 2 of them (Baylor and Stanford) managed to keep it within 9 points. That's remarkable.
-To continue on this single digit stat, the women won all of their first 77 games by double digits. I don't care who you are, if you can win 77 straight games in a row by double digits, you're pretty damn good.
-There was not one team that lead even a complete half of basketball during the streak. Stanford came close in the 2010 National Championship game, leading for 19:05. The only other team that surpassed 15 minutes was Notre Dame (who had 16:53) on February 22, 2009 (which UConn ended up winning by 10).

As you can see, some of those stats are simply mind blowing. A few other reasons why their 90 game winning streak is the most impressive of all time:

It's a team sport. In team sports, obviously you aren't going to be able to carry the team by yourself for 90 straight games. There are going to be games where someone isn't on top of their game, and someone else is forced to pick up the slack. And for 90 tries, someone on UConn picked it up and helped them extend the streak. In team sports, especially in basketball, there are going to be times when players aren't shooting their best and where it just isn't going to be your night. Nobody's shooting lights out every game. However, this team, throughout all of their struggles, pulled off 90 straight wins.

In this day and age, scouting and game plans are more complex then ever. By this I mean that during the past decade or so technology has increased, which has allowed teams to be able to be scouted much easier which results in a better chance of a teams weaknesses being pointed out and being attacked at. Plus, some teams are going to provide matchup problems. Baylor is a good example of this, with their large (in comparison to other women) center, Brittany Griner. She could be used to attack you all day long with her great size. Back in the 80s, you didn't always know how a team ran their schemes or how their technique was (in sports like boxing). It's become more tricky in figuring out how to beat a team now that theres more film on them.

Finally, they compiled this streak with 2 undefeated, national championship seasons. Many people know how difficult it is to go undefeated throughout an entire regular and postseason. Ask the 2007 New England Patriots, or the 1985 Chicago Bears, or the 2010 Boise State Broncos, or any professional basketball, baseball, and hockey team. Going undefeated in one season is rare, but to have two, in back to back seasons, is simply remarkable. Especially since this was the only time in NCAA Division 1 Women's Basketball history that one school has had two undefeated championships back to back.

Honestly, I really can't see any faults at all in this women's basketball team. 90 straight, in a long grinding season like basketball, is amazing.
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Winning streaks in sports are, of course, a tremendous accomplishment. In terms of selecting a particular streak which is more noteworthy than all of the others, that can be a daunting task which ultimately has no right or wrong answer. Do we look at the modern era only, or do we extend our scope back decades or even further, long before any of our times, streaks which can only be assessed in text only? Do we consider team sports only, or do we look at individual accolades as well? If team sports are the focus, are we looking at professional sports, college, or high school? Are we egocentric enough to consider North American sports only, or do we consider things on a more global scale?

I decided, for the purposes of this discussion, to consider the modern era only. Sure, the Chicago White Stockings may have amassed an impressive win streak back in 1880, but how relevant is that to our discussion today, without really knowing the standard of play at the time, or even the legitimacy of the statistics from over a century ago?

Individual accomplishments are numerous and some are very impressive. Seeing Martina Navratilova win 74 consecutive matches in 1984 is mind boggling, making a tennis streak by Guillermo Vilas in 1977 of a mere 46 in a row look less impressive, when in reality, it is anything but. However, I chose to focus my discussion upon professional North American team sports.

The Los Angeles Lakers streak of 33 games in a row, or the Boston Celtics 8 consecutive titles in the NBA are two impressive accomplishments, but it could be suggested that the parity evidenced in the NBA of today was probably not evident back then.

17 consecutive victories by the Pittsburgh Penguins Is quite the feat, as is the Flyers unbeaten streak of 35 games in 1979.

In the end, though, especially at this time of the year as they prepare to flex their muscles yet again after a decade of dominance, I decided to give the nod for the greatest streak in professional team sports to the New England Patriots. A win streak of 21 games, spanning 10/03/03 to 10/31/04, more than a full calendar year, this in my mind equates to the greatest winning streak of all time.

Professional football (North American style) is a physical and grueling affair. It requires physical toughness, speed, agility, elusiveness, etc., on both sides of the football . To pull off a streak of this magnitude, you need to be able to stay healthy, especially at the quarterback position, and if you are unable to stay healthy, you have to be resilient enough, deep enough, and mentally tough enough to overcome adversity. You need to be well coached, and of course it goes without saying that Bill Belichek more than fits the bill in this regard.

You need to be balanced enough and versatile enough to be able to excel in all sorts of weather conditions, especially in the sometimes less than friendly weather conditions of the northeastern USA. You must be able to withstand factors beyond your direct control, such as the human error of referees which can adversely affect the outcome of any game at any time. And or course, you need to possess the most daunting thing of all, that being lady luck. You can be a supremely gifted team comprising an all-star calibre roster with a coaching staff beyond reproach, but an unlucky bounce, a fluky tip, whatever, and in the blink of an eye, it all comes crashing down and while the end result may be a very impressive season, the winning streak itself is over. If you don't believe me, look at the same franchise a few years later, who were one miraculous quarterback escape and one circus catch away from a perfect season, yet another extremely impressive winning streak, the type of perfection not seen since in Miami in 1972.

What also makes this streak impressive to me is the fact that the New England Patriots have been the epitome of success for a decade now. The streak which I mention is bookended by tremendous displays of excellence over such an extended period of time.

No disrespect to the individual accomplishments of Julio Cesar Chavez or Rafael Nadal. All props to De La Salle in high school football, or the UCLA Bruins in college. Congratulations to all of the other worthy candidates to receive attention for their displays of excellence in terms of winning streaks. But from where I am sitting, let's give credit where credit is due. In the greatest professional league in North American sports, namely the NFL, no need to look beyond the New England Patriots of 2003/2004. And here's to hoping that while there is no such winning streak at stake this season, that they can string together three consecutive victories this January and capture the Vince Lombardi trophy one more time.
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Most streaks pale in comparison to this one for one reason, consistency. By saying this I don't mean consistency in winning, because obviously it would not be a streak then, but rather his consistency in how well he performed. He was almost NEVER in trouble in any of his fights during the win streak, and that's not to say he faced bad competition either. He faced all comers and faced fighters of the year, champions, and future hall of famers. Chavez was, simply put, a man amongst boys. The thing about boxing is that if you make one wrong move, you'll lose, so, for 13 years Chavez did everything right. He swept the floor with people becoming a better fighter with every fight.
The UConn women were in tight games for exactly 2 of their 90 games that they won. Hell they won 26 games by 30-39 points and 15 more by 40-49 and 13 by 50-59. That's 54 games won by AT LEAST 54 points. That's incredibly remarkable. Not to mention the little amount of time that they spent behind (which I pointed out was approx. 1 and 1/2 minutes a game). And they faced tough competition as well (30 ranked teams). And the target on the back grew bigger with them with each win they notched. You know its a big deal when the president calls you to congratulate you on breaking another great streak (UCLA Men's 88 straight).

(Proof of these stats: http://espn.go.com/ncw/topics/_/page...ies-win-streak)

Also, the man who Chavez lost to, Frankie Randall, was a HUGE underdog (18 to 1 odds on him for the fight). That has to cheapen that streak that Chavez lost to a guy that isn't a hall of famer, went 58-18 (which isn't THAT great for a boxer, even with many of those losses coming at the tail end of his career). It wasn't that one of the best got Chavez for a day, but rather he lost to a heavy underdog. UConn, however, lost to a Top 10 Stanford team that hadn't lost at their own home in 52 games. A top team was finally able to figure them out, and this wasn't as out there (Baylor had UConn in the ropes earlier in the year but lost by a point) as an 18 to 1 underdog pulling off the upset. It looks worse when a underdog beats you compared to a team with similar talent.

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All in all, I say Chavez' streak is probably the greatest and most important winning streak in the history of sports. Chavez revolutionized boxing and truly dominated the sport. His career is shaped by the streak and the streak itself is, to this day, still a thing of legend. His son, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., a boxer himself, has even had his career impacted in a big way by it. Julio Cesar Chavez' 88 fight win streak in boxing is the most impressive winning streak in sports history.
I'd go and argue that this record streak is the thing that has helped put Women's basketball on the map. Will it ever achieve record breaking ratings? No, people just aren't that into women's basketball. However, it did help people take notice and say 'hey, these girls won 90 straight games? that's incredible'. It helped people realize that women can play sports well too and that there truly are some talented college teams out there.

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The toughness of 400 meter hurdles

The sport of track and field is no easy task. In the event that Moses is known for, it is extremely difficult. First off, in every track event you must get out of the gate good. That is no easy task, and especially not 122 consecutive time in a row will one get a great jump that is required to win the race, however Moses did it every time. 400 meters is not a very long race and every millisecond is crucial, and to take advantage of it Moses ran only 13 steps in between hurdles while everybody else ran 14 steps. These 13 steps in between hurdles is something coaches did not even think was possible, however Moses did it, and he made it look easy. The skill that it took to not only master that technique but to do it flawlessly is unfathomable and it just makes what Moses accomplished even more impressive.
While I'm not discrediting hurdles, after so many times it becomes a very routine thing to do. Yes, it's always tough to try and jump over hurdles, but there's only the hurdles that are in the way. The hurdles are always placed in the same spot so, if you have the timing down, could do it blindfolded. You might think that's absurd, but really, after constant repetition, you'll know where you have to jump and you know where you'll have to place your feet. Running is constant repetition.

In basketball, however, you will always have a defender in your way trying to force you to change the direction of the dribble, and (if you're good or their scheme is run a certain way) double teams/traps can be constant. Then you have guys jumping up in the air to try and block your shot. If you can get past all of the defensive stances, double teams, and block attempts, you'll have finally gotten a shot up. Congrats. Now after all of that work you still have to make a shot or the entire series will have been a waste of 35 seconds (the time of a shot clock). In basketball, there's going to be many more (excuse the pun) hurdles to get past then if you were doing a hurdle race. Not only on offense, either. On defense you'll get blind screens, post ups, and quick ball movement to try to defend. Not one basketball game will be run the same. However, in hurdles, it's generally you vs. the hurdles.
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Edwin Moses' historic run began in the year August 1977 and did not end nine years, nine months, and nine days, which was in May 1987. To be the best of the best in your competition is one thing but to do it for a practically an entire decade is another. The pure dominance of Moses is unheralded and to do it in a sport like track and field is insanity.
That streak lasted 117 months, which makes it come out to about a race a month (slightly less). In basketball you'll get 2 to 5 days, at most, to recover from one game to go out to your next. It's a short time for a game that features two people face to face for 40 minutes straight. Plus, as you note below, he was ill during some of that streak and didn't race, which added some time where he wasn't doing anything.

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During the 107 finals win streak and 122 consecutive win streak, Moses won one Olympic Gold (the only one he competed in during the streak due to US Boycott in 1980) and also broke the World Record 4 times. Moses accolades during the streak is extremely impressive for just one event and to continue to get better throughout 10 years and to continuously beat his record is far none just as impressive as the win streak Moses put together.

Overall, Moses' streak is the most impressive win streak in the history of sports and when somebody completely dominates the sport of track and field for a decade please come and find me.
Actually, Iolanda Balas from Romania won 140 straight high jumping competitions (a field event) and it lasted for over a decade (Dec. 1956 - June 1967). So there you go, another person has dominated a field event for a longer period of time, and broke 14 records of her own.

(Proof: http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...a-balas-1.html)
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In any sport going undefeated for an extended period of time is no mean feat; it shows immense concentration and skill on the behalf of the person/team who accomplishes it. For me this came down to two streaks, both of which are very impressive. Those are, Australia's 16 match win streak in Test Cricket between 1999 and 2001. The other was the Crusaders 15 match win streak in the Super 12, this streak encompassed the 2002 and 2003 seasons including going the 2002 season unbeaten and winning the competition that year (the sport is Rugby Union for those who don't know). In the end I decided to argue on the side of the Crusaders streak.

Before I prove that this is indeed the most impressive streak in sport, I want to remind you of one thing. This debate is not over the best streak ever or the longest or anything like that it is about the most impressive. Sure this streak of only 15 matches doesn't sound like much but when you take into consideration the circumstances surrounding it is most certainly is.

Just to help you out here is a bit of background on this streak. It started on the 23rd of February 2002 where the Crusaders defeated the Highlanders, the streak ended on March 8 2003 in a by losing to the Blues. During this streak they accomplished the feat of 15 wins in a row including going a full season undefeated, this of course means they defeated every team in the competition at least once. It also means that in 2002 they won the entire competition. Now onto why the streak is so impressive.

Quality of opposition: For those who don't know and I would assume that would be the majority the Super 12 (now Super 15) is a domestic rugby union competition which pits the 12 best teams from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa against one another. With that being the case the quality of competition is very high, it is easily the best Rugby competition in the world. To put it into perspective a winning Super 12 team would likely be able to hold their own or even beat an International team. In any given season there are at least seven teams who have a very good chance of winning, to go through all of that without even conceding one defeat is very impressive.

Going a season undefeated: This feat is unparalleled, other teams (including the Crusaders themselves) have come close to replicating it but they have always fallen just short ending up with one or two losses. To go for a whole season undefeated is damn impressive, especially given the quality of opposition faced normally you would expect one or two slip-ups along the way but no such thing happened.

It's a team sport: Rugby is a sport where you rely on the 14 other men around you. All it would take to loose a game is for one person to slip up, one forward pass, one dropped ball, one unnecessary penalty and you can lose a game. However no such thing happened, there were no major mistakes that would cost them a game. That is what makes this streak so much more impressive than some others mentioned in that it only takes one person to fuck up to let the whole team down, for the boxing and hurdles streaks they are individual streaks where you have only your self to rely on.

Toughness of the game: Rugby is a tough sport, I'm sure I'll many won't agree with this but it is a far tougher and more physical sport than NFL. You are going flat out for two halves of 40 minute each, no resting every 2 minuets as seems to be the case in NFL. There is also no protective gear when you get hit hard it fucking hurts and injuries happen. Anyway I'm getting off topic, my point her is that this is a really hard sport by the time 80 minutes is up you are exhausted and hurting, to be able to play through that and win 15 games in a row is very impressive.

Travel: Now given the fact that the teams that compete in this competition are from three different countries that will mean a lot of travel. In this particular season the Crusaders played five of thirteen games away from their home ground. Of those five games four of them were played in different countries (the other being played in a different part of New Zealand) with two being played in South Africa and two in Australia. Now it is generally considered the toughest part of the season when an Australian or New Zealand team have to travel to South Africa for games, given that the flight time is far longer than a flight from Aus to NZ. A flight from New Zealand to South Africa takes 12 hours while a flight from New Zealand to Australia takes 4 hours, this will of course cause jet lag. Also there is the fact that the grounds have higher altitudes, meaning you will run out of breath faster. The fact that they managed to see out this tour unscathed is a very impressive feat. It is also a feat that hardly any touring teams manage, generally you would think if you go on a three match tour of SA and come out with one win you have done ok, if you manage more you have done exceptionally well.


Previous Season: Another thing that makes this streak so impressive is what happened right before it. In the 2001 season the Crusaders finished 10th winning only four of eleven games, keeping in mind there are only 12 teams you will realise that is very bad. To bounce back from such a poor season with an undefeated season with no major changes in either players or coaching staff is very impressive. It takes a lot of mental strength to bounce back from something like that but they managed to.

Margin of wins: Not only did this team go undefeated but they completely dominated, when they faced off in the last round of the regular season they demolished the Warratahs (the second place team behind them) by 96-19, the highest score line in Super rugby history. Then in the final of the competition they defeated the Brumbies (the defending champions) by 31-13 another very comprehensive victory. This dominance is shown on the table where the Crusaders finished on 51 points at the end of the regular season, including seven bonus point wins (a bonus point victory is ascertained by scoring 4 or more trys in the game). The team in second place only had 39 points.

Loss: I want to point out that when this amazing streak came to an end in round three of the 2003 season there was no shame in the loss. They were defeated at the hands of the Blues; there are two things to keep in mind here. Firstly the Blues would go on to have their best season ever, winning the competition and losing only one game in the process. Secondly the game was played in front of the Blues home crowd and it is never easy to win away from home.
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Some of the winning streaks are quite impressive and I'll give them that. A winning streak such as UConn or UCLA is hard to achieve because one bad game from a team or one bad night from a player can cause it to all go away. I will be focusing on a sport (which is debatable) in which you're not only facing other competitors but you're also facing the playing conditions. The most impressive winning streak is...

Byron Nelson's 11 Consecutive PGA Tour Wins

When one is playing golf, he or she is playing against maybe around 100 other golfers in the span of 4 days. That in and of itself makes even winning one tournament hard let alone 11 in a row. The course is an obstacle as well as Mother Nature. One day, it will be all sunny and not a trouble in the world. The next day, gusts of wind can affect even a chip shot. One hole can make or break a golfer such as the 17th hole at TPC Sawgrass. You have to be on your game for 4 days as opposed to 60 minutes of football or 48 minutes of basketball.

Some will dispute that Nelson's streak isn't as impressive because he only won the 1945 PGA Championship and the field was weak because of the war but I say balderdash. Two of the greatest golfers of their generation were still playing in Sam Snead and Ben Hogan. Nelson won more than half the tournaments in 1945 (18 out of 35). Nobody has matched that even the great Tiger Woods who I say competed in a weaker field than Nelson did. He also finished second another 7 times which means he won or placed second in five out of seven tournaments. He also set the record for scoring average which stood for an amazing 55 years.

Nelson's streak was one that had to require being on top of your game every single day and one that a bad drive, putt, or round could be the difference between victory and agony. Greg Norman, Phil Mickelson, and Jean Van de Velde can attest to that. Winning one tournament is hard to achieve for some of the premiere golfers in the game regardless of era. Eleven is legendary.
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Julio Cesar Chavez' winning streak of 88 straight in professional bouts is something unheard of
Probably because won 87 straight fights, not 88. If you're going to make the opening post, the least you could do is get your facts straight.

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And many people bash this streak because of their lack of competition, which is also false. In fact, 30 of their 90 wins (an even 33.33%) were against ranked opponents. That is a hell of a lot of ranked teams.
You can't simply use rankings as a justification for stiff competition. Is beating a ranked women's team really that impressive? Once you get outside of the top 10 or so there really isn't much parity. You can't just go by an arbitrary rankins system and claim their competition was difficult.

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There were only 2 games out of the 90 where they won by single digits. Yes, 2 of 90, a shockingly low 2% of their games. And, like I mentioned, they played 30 ranked teams during the streak. Only 2 of them (Baylor and Stanford) managed to keep it within 9 points. That's remarkable
Like a said before, the competition in the women's game just isn't the same. It isn't sexism, it's a fact. Outside of a handful of programs (UConn, Tennessee, Standford) there really aren't that many formidable opponents out there.

Also, when they did struggle it was on the biggest stage of them all. Against Stanford in the national title game last year when the most people were watching, they shit the bed. That was one of the worst basketball games I've ever watched. On a stage when they had a chance to show how good they were they just proved why women's basketball is considered inferior.

Back to some of yours later, but I'm surprised no one has picked the best option yet, which is UCLA Men's Basketball, who won 88 games in a row from 1971 to 1974. They won 3 national titles during the streak, had an average margin of victory of over 23 points per game, and are considered one of the greatest sports teams of all time.

Obvisously this has been compared to the UConn streak a lot recently, but it really shouldn't be an argument. Men's basketball, even in the 70's, consisted of a much hihger level of competition than any form or women's basketball. UCLA's 15 single digit victories during the streak are a testament to this parity and how they were able to fight adversity. Isn't it more impressive to win multiple close games over quality opponents throughout a streak than it is to blowout a bunch of shitbums with two or three legitimately good teams mixed in?

The higher level of competition should more than make up for the fact that UConn won a measely 2 more games than UCLA. Just because it's a streak that happened recently it doesn't mean it's the best one ever. Let your young minds explore the past a bit.
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