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Old 06-14-2018, 06:30 AM
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The WWE title is THE championship
The Universal championship is the remake of the World Heavyweight Championship, as we know, in one year they are changing brands (WWE x Universal), so they can push the top stars in RAW with the true title. No matter how you push the “other” world title, the WWE championship will always remain as the top. Even if Jinder wins it.
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Old 06-14-2018, 06:46 AM
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Give me a break. A few short years ago we complained that titles were treated as hot potatoes and reigns were too short. Now we have long reigns, which are apparently only done to spite past talents.

Enough.

While we're at it, Honky Tonk isn't exactly in high favour with WWE, yet I haven't seen effort to break the 64-week Intercontinental championship reign. In fact, Cody Rhodes brought back the classic Intercontinental title design. We should be SHOCKED they haven't reintroduced the egg-shaped belt to spite that ingrate.
I also do like long title reigns but, as I said before, the background surrounding the circumstances of previous "title records" being broken is quite dubious.

I do feel that Lesnar breaking Punk's record (which is still a modern day record) could just be a happy accident but I also feel that the possibility of breaking Punk's record was partly a reason for Lesnar holding on to for as long as he did.

I always go with the Diva's Title and New Day Example because they seem to the most obvious.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:45 AM
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The WWE has said, is saying, and will say whatever they want to say, in any circumstance that benefits the WWE. They will bend any stat into any fact they see fit.

Let’s take the WWWF / WWF / WWE / Unified / Raw / Smackdown / World Tag Team Championship Titles for example. Demolition’s record is for the WWWF / WWF / World (Raw) Tag Team Championship Titles (active from 1971 – 2010). The New Day’s record is for the WWE (Smackdown) / Raw Tag Team Championship Titles (active from 2002 – present). The Usos’ record is for the Smackdown Tag Team Championship Titles (active from 2016 – present). There are three different Championship Titles with three different linages, yet they are all Tag Team Championship Titles in WWE history. You can interoperate this any way you want, but the WWE is basically saying that although they are different, at the end of the day, they are the all the same.

Let’s take the WWWF / WWF / Undisputed / WWE / World / Universal / Heavyweight Championship Titles for example. Bruno Sammartino’s record is for the WWWF / WWF / Undisputed / WWE / World Heavyweight Championship Title (active from 1971 – present). Batista’s record is for the World Heavyweight (WWE’s version of the Big Gold Belt) Championship Title (active from 2002 – 2013). Brock Lesnar’s record is for the Universal Championship Title (active from 2016 – present). There are three different Championship Titles with three different linages, yet they are all World Heavyweight Championship Titles in WWE history. You can interoperate this any way you want, but the WWE is basically saying that although they are different, at the end of the day, they are the all the same.

The WWE views the Universal Championship Title as a World Heavyweight Championship Title, as it should, because it’s the top Championship Title on one of their two brands. Just like the Tag Team Championship Titles, they view the Universal and World Championship Titles as being on the same level. With Brock Lesnar’s reign surpassing CM Punk’s reign, the Beast is now the longest reigning WWE Heavyweight Champion in the last 32 years, regardless if it’s the Universal or World Championship Title Belt he’s holding.

I don’t believe the WWE would recognize the Intercontinental and United States Championship Titles as being, for a lack of a better work, “interchangeable”, but “Anything Can Happen In The WWE”.

As far as spite goes, who cares!?
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:36 PM
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I think the WWE's own graphic, which I can only assume came from their website (I saw it on the main page here), pretty much makes this thread look stupid.

As others have stated, now to include WWE themselves, they're two entirely different titles. The end.
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:58 PM
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Without being in the backstage of WWE, I'm still pretty confident saying that Lesnar's longer-than-Punk's World Title reign has something to do with WWE not wanting Punk as the #1 on that list.

And if you look at other situations like Nikki Bella's longer Diva's Title reign than AJ Lee (who, surprise, surprise, is with CM Punk) and previously Orton's youngest ever World Champion achievement after Lesnar left the company with some bad blood and they never knew he would ever come back at that point are pretty obvious indicators something was planned.


That said, there are some problems with that anyway, which makes it harder for WWE going forward. The main one is that CM Punk is still the longest WWE Championship reign of the last 30 years. Now, if we see someone like AJ Styles continue to hold onto the WWE title and get within 100 days of CM Punk's reign and WWE keeps the title on AJ Styles then you can be all-but-100% sure it has to do with taking CM Punk's name of the #1 list on any World Title Longest Reign list.

Remaining problems with that is Punk would still make the top 5 and even top 3 spot on those lists if they ever had to mention it. And it would be pretty much company suicide to try and have 2 more wrestlers be #2 and 3 on the list and go on 400+ day title reigns JUST TO screw with Punk. But WWE will probably settle with Punk just not being #1.
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Old 06-15-2018, 07:52 AM
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I don't think the WWE needs to go so far as to have people hold belts longer, just to break records that most people don't know or care about. Nikki Bella passing AJ Lee on the "days holding the women's title" list? Not exactly Maris chasing Ruth here. But, putting aside how few people care about wrestling records, WWE can, and has, changed stories in the past. Andre wasn't undefeated...hell, they used to create fictional tournaments in foreign countries to establish belts. Has Pat Patterson ever even been to Rio de Janeiro?? Who knows? Another example is that lame Rumble stats package they air every year. They say something like "Shawn Michaels is one of two people to ever win from the #1 spot." (Or whatever it is) They don't acknowledge Benoit. So, that is all it takes to sidestep that historical fact.

Here's how I see it: How many people know the record? How many people care? Not as many as the people here seem to think. I was a fan during Demolition's run. They were very over. They had a good look, good entrance music...they were cool. I don't remember one conversation with my friends about the length of their run. Granted, had I walked up to a bunch of kids talking about title reign lengths, I would have walked away just as quickly. But, I don't think having a record--a record most people don't know or care about and even less people can say who held it before them--is worth all the hassle and conspiracy efforts you guys are giving them credit for.

I admit wrestling records mean nothing to me. What is a WWE record but something Vince decided anyway? Do you know what Steve Austin holding the record with 3 Rumble wins means to me? ...that Vince never decided to give someone 4 Rumble wins. I don't mean to come across as one of those "it's all fake! it's all predetermined!" people. People who say that sound foolish, especially since they act like they're breaking news. That being said, the fact remains it IS all predetermined. So many records are meaningless to me, because they are based on nothing but Vince's mood. Certain things are tangible...Austin having the most merch sales, etc. But, Reigns eliminating 12 (I think it was 12) people a few Rumbles back. Did anyone honestly think "He broke the record!" Because I thought "Hm, Vince wants Reigns to have this record." It wasn't an "accomplishment". It was a decision made by someone else.

Anyway, not trying to sound negative, just trying to explain how insignificant records are to me. Especially when the records themselves---when they are set, when they are broken, how long they last, when they are changed--all comes down to the decision of one man.
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Old 06-15-2018, 11:25 AM
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Of course it's a snub. I'm sure they want to distance themselves from him. Doesn't matter if it's the same title or not. Thats just semantics. Because all they need to say is "Lesnar is the longest reigning champ in WWE history." End of story.

Also, UFC 225 flopped hard. Punk isn't a draw despite what some people think. It was a lame pr stunt by Dana, putting a wannabe inside the octagon and most fans realized that and it reflected in the ppv buys and just the general lack of interest in seeing him fight.

Punk needs WWE more than WWE needs him.
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Old 06-15-2018, 12:57 PM
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how can he break it. Punk held the wee title currently held by Styles, Punk was never universal champ. if they wanted to break Punk record shouldn't it be with AJ or a SD wrestler
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:23 PM
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Of course it's a snub. I'm sure they want to distance themselves from him. Doesn't matter if it's the same title or not. Thats just semantics. Because all they need to say is "Lesnar is the longest reigning champ in WWE history." End of story.

Also, UFC 225 flopped hard. Punk isn't a draw despite what some people think. It was a lame pr stunt by Dana, putting a wannabe inside the octagon and most fans realized that and it reflected in the ppv buys and just the general lack of interest in seeing him fight.

Punk needs WWE more than WWE needs him.
Lesnar’s nowhere near the longest reigning champ; so, if they’re gonna lie anyway, why bother having Lesnar hold it longer than Punk?
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