Scott Hall and Kevin Nash in DX

[ilapierre]

Now folks lets not overrate the importance of Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Sure, without either the NWO angle flounders. They were vital to the success and the continued existence of the NWO. But a lot of you believe it was the prolonged NWO angle that killed WCW. Perhaps losing Nash and Hall would have actually saved WCW as the NWO angle would have ended much earlier and thus allowed the other held back talent to shine through. One thing I remember from April 98 or whenever WM14 was is that Hogan and Savage were feuding for control of the NWO. Hall and Nash were pretty much there to give the NWO credibility. Hall was in and out from April 98 for the rest of his career. He'd come back for an interview one month alongside Nash. A month he'd disappear and then return to turn on Nash. He'd return to team with Giant or battle Goldberg but the thing was you never knew when he'd be there. Then that fall he was back acting out his drunk reality and really had no direction until the FPOD. So you could argue that Scott Hall was already pretty much gone at that point anyway. As far as Nash is concerned, he wasn't really anything anywhere unless he had Scott Hall with him regularly. Yes they were vital to the survival of the NWO. But no they were not vital to the survival of the WCW. There were other big time players there. Had Hall and Nash gone to WWE perhaps they would have 'killed' the WWE. Nash would have the backstage power to book himself as champ over Austin and Hall would have been a drunken mess and would likely have been fired like he eventually was in 2002 for showing up to work drunk. So I have an even better question. What if X Pac stayed in WCW and Michaels and Triple H joined the NWO in WCW right after WM14? What would have happened to WWE?

Anyway, back to the OP's original question. Had Nash and Hall left WCW with X Pac then the NWO angle would have had to come to a close to abrupt end. But it's WAY too easy to write WCW off without Hall and Nash around. WWE had just lost Bret Hart the heart and soul of the company. I was certain WWE was finished after the Montreal Screwjob, to me it was just a question of when not if. Michaels left WWE for 4 years the night before XPac returned. How could the WWE survive without those two? They just built up other guys from their mid card like Austin and Rock. One thing a lot of you forget is that WCW was STACKED with main event and mid card talent. They had Hogan, Sting, Savage, Flair, Hitman, Goldberg, Warrior, Piper, Luger, Henning, DDP, Big Show etc etc. Had Nash and Hall left, it would have killed the NWO angle sooner but that might not have killed WCW. It could have saved it. The focus could have now been put on guys like Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Rey Mysterio Jr. With two of the biggest names gone, that could have made more TV time for Bret Hart to be utilized properly. We may have gotten to see Hitman vs Hogan. Without the NWO, there could have been much more time for classic matches between the best of the past, present and future. Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Show and Rey could have all stayed with WCW and filled the void. Imagine feuds like Jericho vs Piper. Savage vs Eddie. Hogan vs Hitman. Benoit vs Flair. Rey vs Goldberg. With no Nash and Hall and no NWO, WCW would have had to push their mid card tier sooner (and in the middle of the boom) just to survive. And those being pushed might have stuck around had they played an instrumental part in the boom. WCW did resort to pushing talent but it was a good year or two late in 2000 when the company wasn't on 'fire' anymore like it had been from 96 to early 99. Ratings were down, their mid card talent of 96 to 99 quit in mid to late 99/early 00. Storylines made no sense for over a year at that point and faces and heels didn't make sense anymore. Also, the older guys like Savage were just a little too old and the guys like Hitman were at the end of the line wrestling wise.

[The HEEL JuiceLee]

The better question here is what if Vince would of givin Hall & Nash the deals they wanted,plus with Bret,BullDog,NiedHart coming of the books give HBK a garuntee deal.Then at that time gave HHH & X-Pac smaller garunteed deals,so in an effort to keep the Outsiders in the WWE what happened at MSG could of been the start of them becoming an onscreen faction instead of just a behind the stage one. They could of been the Original NWO or DX.That would of been great.

[FitFinlay4Life]

Like all things in wrestling, it would have depended on how it was handled. First off, Hall and Nash wouldn't have simply disappeared - they would have had a period between tendering their wish to leave and WCW allowing it. This would have given Bisch the chance to lessen the impact. As the nWo was getting too bloated at this time, the Outsiders leaving could have been the perfect time to streamline. Imagine the final image of Nash and Hall in WCW being the two left lying by the Giant and Scott Steiner with Hogan and the Big Bad Booty Daddy ripping them to shreds on the mic and sending them off on stretchers with "nWo 4 life" spray canned on.

Hall was just entering the worst period of his career when Waltman left and Nash was just developing into the egotistical SOB we all know and love. The clique reuniting as dX could have created many problems within the WWF, would guys like the Rock have received their push?

Don't let the Mark Madden kool aid fool you, Hall and Nash did not make the nWo - the birth of 'Hollywood' Hogan did. I personally feel that an Outsiders jump at this stage would have benefited, not hindered WCW and things like Paul Wight and the Radicalz jumping may never have occurred.

[Denny Crane]

I never thought the problem with WCW was Hall and Nash was the over exposure of the whole NWO group. D-X was great on it's own and Hall and Nash would have meant no New Age Outlaws, which put D-X over the top.

[wrestlingfan]

Even with a Kliq reunion in WWF, I still think the Rock would've gotten over. He was too over to not get pushed.

[detroitking02]

1. First off without Hall and Nash jumping ship to WCW and forming NWO there wouldn't of been a DX .


2. At the time do you think Hall and Nash were gonna leave WCW which paid more money with guaranteed money & them having creative control. Hall & Nash were not gonna leave WCW during the time X-Pac gave that speech and WCW was on top at the time.