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Old 02-23-2016, 02:24 PM
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When people hear assault rifle, they see Full Metal Jacket. Those weapons are fully automatic and are only available in some states to those who pass a background check as extensive as an FBI agent and must be bought from a dealer who must pass a background check as extensive as a member of the Presidential detail. Furthermore, the dealer is subject to random audits from the ATF and faces long prison sentences for miscounting ammo. Getting a weapon capable of inflicting GTA style violence is nearly impossible.
So do you agree or disagree that extensive background checks are a good thing?

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As far as wanting to own these guns, there are plenty of legit reasons.
Such as?

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As has been said; guns don't kill people any more than spoons make one fat.
Now we're getting to the faulty comparison phase of this debate, I was wondering when someone who try this.

You're implying that guns simply don't kill people, because assuming as much would mean spoons used for any purpose could be blamed for obesity. How about we stop tap-dancing around the purpose of a gun for minute. A gun is designed to kill, every other use for a gun is secondary to the purpose of killing something. A spoon is designed to hold a consumable so you don't have to scoop it with your hands, manufacturers of fatty desserts didn't design spoons to facilitate higher sales.

Guns kill, and that's all there is to that. Guns were designed with the hopes that a person could have more favorable odds in their attempt to kill something.

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I'm the South, guns are a tradition.
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There is also a saying that without the second amendments, the others don't matter. There is some merit there.
Ah well, you should have probably explained how you interpret the second amendment then. I don't think that anybody on here has suggested that the second amendment has no merit. I think the issue is whether or not suggesting that we should have stricter gun control laws would be a vicarious assumption that the second amendment has no merit.
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Well, it doesn't really, unless Cletus and Jim-Bob want to show me their Air Force, Navy, and collection of drones fitted with hell fire missles. Those hunting rifles and your mossy-oak overalls are gonna be super usefull when an A10 comes to your house or a drone drops a GPS guided missle into your coffee cup. People truly don't seem to realize that you having your guns or not is totally fucking irrelevant in the situation that the government decides to dooo....uh whatever it is people seem to think they would do. They could crush and destroy any sort of armed resistance any civilians here could mount with a flick of the wrist.


Anyhow, continue.
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So do you agree or disagree that extensive background checks are a good thing?
Of course I do. Anyone who doesn't think its a little too easy to get a gun right now is crazy. I can drive to a sporting goods store and have a new shotgun in my home in five minutes. I live in Texas. It's literally harder to get a fishing license than it is to get a shotgun. We have background checks for pistols. Those go through homeland security and take 10 minutes. I like the idea of people on the Federal No Fly List being banned from buying any firearm.

But the point of that post was that people are way overrating the ability of semiautomatic weapons. You still have to pull the trigger for each bullet. People in this thread are attacking the phrase semiautomatic as if it means it just throws out a slower spray of bullets. To be completely honest, handguns and shotguns are far more dangerous than AR's.


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Protection is one, but deterrence is just as, if not more, important. As I stated, Illinois has tough restrictions on gun ownership, but rampant gun crime. Connecticut has restrictive gun laws, and that's where Sandy Hook happened. The guns on Fort Hood are locked away, and there was a masacre there. In Texas, we have open carry, and have the 8th lowest murder rate in the country. Wyoming allows concealed carry with no permit and has the lowest murder rate in the nation.



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Now we're getting to the faulty comparison phase of this debate, I was wondering when someone who try this.

You're implying that guns simply don't kill people, because assuming as much would mean spoons used for any purpose could be blamed for obesity. How about we stop tap-dancing around the purpose of a gun for minute. A gun is designed to kill, every other use for a gun is secondary to the purpose of killing something. A spoon is designed to hold a consumable so you don't have to scoop it with your hands, manufacturers of fatty desserts didn't design spoons to facilitate higher sales.
Exactly, something.

I bet more deer, more birds, more hogs asre killed annually than people.

Not necessarily people. A gun is an inanimate object. It does nothing bad until put into the hands of a bad person. If that person did not have a gun, he would use a knofe, bow, crossbow, rock, or dagger. Murders happen one of two ways...

1. Pre meditated - No gun, no problem,. I'll plan for another weapon

2. Heat of passion - It will take longer, but since I have lost my senses anyway, I'll kill somehow.



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Guns kill, and that's all there is to that. Guns were designed with the hopes that a person could have more favorable odds in their attempt to kill something.
Again, something. Over 99% of gun owners act responsibly. If we restrict everyone's access to firearms because of less than 1%, we might as well ban the internet because less than 1% of people look at child porn. The internet is a tool, just like a gun, or a spoon. People will use tools in all kinds of ways than are not what they're designed for. We need to keep the tools out of those people's hands.





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Ah well, you should have probably explained how you interpret the second amendment then. I don't think that anybody on here has suggested that the second amendment has no merit. I think the issue is whether or not suggesting that we should have stricter gun control laws would be a vicarious assumption that the second amendment has no merit.
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However, there is no excuse to have anything other than a pistol (if it really comes down to it but I still don't agree) or a hunting rifle of some sort.
I haven't really done much to debate the premise of his argument. I'm just horrified by the low level of understanding he has for what he wants banned or restricted.

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Surely taking away automatic weapons would be a good thing.
That's already on the books.
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