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Old 01-18-2016, 10:26 PM
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Here's my POV: You're looking at ONE Lesnar match, when the guy has competed in many more entertaining match-ups. CM Punk, Reigns, Cena and Triple H say hello. All of these matches were classic.

Yeah I agree, the Rollins match was hideous, but it had to prove a point: Not everyone in wrestling are equally strong. Plus the match was there only to set up Taker's return.

It's not Lesnar's fault, it's his bookers that won't allow him to be booked less strongly.

EDIT: However the fact that people have been calling Cena "SuperCena" for years and do not dare to call Lesnar, "SuperLesnar", only because he's a "legit fighter" is beyond stupid and hypocritical.

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Old 01-18-2016, 11:11 PM
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Let's look at Lesnar's matches in 2016, he had the triple threat with Rollins and Cena which was a match of the year contender and the best triple threat match ever. Then he had a perfect main event with Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 31. Nobody expected that match to be that great and it was absolutely phenomenal and helped everybody invovled. He also had a great Hell In A Cell match with the Undertaker. It was a war that felt like an old school Hell In A Cell match. Pretty imrpessive to pull that off with a geriatric fuck that won't hang up the boots. I mean he only had like 6 or 7 matches in 2016, and basically half of them were amazing.
I disagree completely. The Triple Threat at the Rumble was amazing, but there were two other guys in there to carry the match. Lesnar/Reigns is one of the worst wrestling matches of all time. I don't know what kool-aid they force-feed people on this site to sing it's praises, it's absolutely HORRID and one of the worst main event matches in WrestleMania history, easily as bad as Lesnar/Goldberg but at least that was mercifully short. And the Hell in a Cell was absolute crap, it was nothing but WWE shoving Lesnar down fans' throats and making Undertaker look like a pathetic, inferior weakling, just like their entire feud did. Lesnar's ONLY great match was the Triple Threat, which was due almost entirely to Seth Rollins.
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Old 01-18-2016, 11:19 PM
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I disagree completely. The Triple Threat at the Rumble was amazing, but there were two other guys in there to carry the match. Lesnar/Reigns is one of the worst wrestling matches of all time. I don't know what kool-aid they force-feed people on this site to sing it's praises, it's absolutely HORRID and one of the worst main event matches in WrestleMania history, easily as bad as Lesnar/Goldberg but at least that was mercifully short. And the Hell in a Cell was absolute crap, it was nothing but WWE shoving Lesnar down fans' throats and making Undertaker look like a pathetic, inferior weakling, just like their entire feud did. Lesnar's ONLY great match was the Triple Threat, which was due almost entirely to Seth Rollins.
That's a pretty whack statement, Brock vs Reigns is definitely not the worst match of all time. It wasn't an excellent match, but it wasn't a bad match either. Saying its the worst of all time is clearly showing you just have a hate on for both wrestlers involved. Some people hate just to hate, but your Brock hate is on a different level than most.
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Old 01-18-2016, 11:23 PM
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That's a pretty whack statement, Brock vs Reigns is definitely not the worst match of all time. It wasn't an excellent match, but it wasn't a bad match either. Saying its the worst of all time is clearly showing you just have a hate on for both wrestlers involved. Some people hate just to hate, but your Brock hate is on a different level than most.
It wasn't "bad", it was HORRIBLE. Reigns did nothing but his pussywimp punches and his two moves, and Lesnar was gassed out five seconds into the match as usual, and did nothing beyond the three moves he always does. Boring, generic, bland, and terrible, all the way through. Only Rollins cashing in saved the match from being THE worst closing match in WrestleMania history. It was as bad as Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Lawrence Taylor. The only closing match in WM history that MIGHT be worse was Hulk Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy at WrestleMania 2, that's another one that's near unwatchable. But Hogan/Bundy closed a terrible WrestleMania, while Lesnar/Reigns closed a WrestleMania that was excellent all the way through until their horrendously bad match.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:42 AM
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It wasn't "bad", it was HORRIBLE. Reigns did nothing but his pussywimp punches and his two moves, and Lesnar was gassed out five seconds into the match as usual, and did nothing beyond the three moves he always does. Boring, generic, bland, and terrible, all the way through. Only Rollins cashing in saved the match from being THE worst closing match in WrestleMania history. It was as bad as Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Lawrence Taylor. The only closing match in WM history that MIGHT be worse was Hulk Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy at WrestleMania 2, that's another one that's near unwatchable. But Hogan/Bundy closed a terrible WrestleMania, while Lesnar/Reigns closed a WrestleMania that was excellent all the way through until their horrendously bad match.

You my fellow wrestling fan are the absolute dumbest mfer on this site I've come acrossed. One of if not the biggest troll I've ever seen. Nothing you say makes sense Cause your trying to state facts when they're only your opinions. Just because you say Brock sucks don't mean he sucks. I'm sure there's millions of people who I would conside real fans would disagree with everything you stated here. None of it is accurate by any means. Like another stated he only wrestles ppvs which is what you say that you only watch so he's got your attention. He making money off you based on your reaction. Which is what wrestling is all about, a reaction. You keep giving it to him. So he'll keep on suplexing to get people like you to react. Grow the he'll up or move on from wrestling. Garbage just flat out garbage. I'm sure he's not ruining it considering he's about to sell out 100,000+ in cowboys stadium. No logic to yours or the original posters comments.

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Old 01-19-2016, 01:07 AM
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Brock Lesnar is fine. The schtick is running a bit thin, but honestly all he has to do is start doing more moves. I suspect he will start adding more when the crowd stops chanting Suplex City.

You know who is really awful though? Heyman. Paul E has never been able to pull off being a face, and he is hurting Bork more than helping him.
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Old 01-19-2016, 01:41 AM
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Brock Lesnar is a massive draw and one of few mainstream names involved in the company. You sound more like you're an Angle and TNA fan than you are a Brock fan. That's completely fair.

The crappy thing about Brock is more his booking. He's basically been booked into WWE God mode since he steamrolled Cena for the title in 2014. Brock is also carrying the lustre of The Undertaker's streak to go along with it.

Brock is the legit fighter. So what? That now means he can't have matches? He only squashes now unless it's Taker. That's the real issue presently. There's nothing that says it can't start now. Why didn't Kofi get a bit of offence in at Beast in the East?

Lesnar is in his late 30s, and aside from his intestinal issues, he's never really suffered any kind of career shortening injury. Kurt angle has a surgically repaired neck and has suffered from drug and alcohol addiction for years.

Don't get me wrong, I've always like Kurt. I'd even argue he's a better wrestler than Brock, I don't think many would argue against that. Brock is physically and mentally more well, younger, and a bigger mainstream name than Kurt. That's just how it is.

The bad thing about Brock is when he goes over full time guys then vanishes. The only guys he's really gone over on TV are Punk and Cena, the rest have been part timers (Triple H and Taker).

Rollins stole the show at The Rumble, and again more literally at Mania 31. This years Mania will be the first time Brock locks up with a younger guy (likely Wyatt, Owens, or Ambrose - in that order), so now is the time to let someone beat Brock. I don't know if it's time to transfer the pin yet, that should probably come later, but it's time to transition him into someone who puts over the young guys. New stars are sorely needed, not old ones.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:02 AM
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My thoughts are you have no idea what you're talking about.

He's the biggest draw in the business at the moment, which is why WWE is paying him as such. And if they didn't he'd have walked right back to UFC and become a ridiculously big draw for them.

You can be one of the few who don't like him for whatever reason, no wrestler will have 100% of fans supporting and liking them, but you're wrong about several things in your post with regards to his performances and "ruining wrestling."

Oh, and it's funny that the guy going after everyone who disagrees with you (aka the one guy majorly agreeing with you) has an issue with Lesnar and WWE for having him beat the wrestler he loves to death, The Undertaker.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:21 AM
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Fans will find something to complain about. Really, Brock is ruining wrestling? Brock is the one guy from a decade ago that most fans haven't grown stale of because of his constant appearances. Brock helped put over Rollins to giving us one of the most memorable WM moments in quite some time(outside of the streak). Not only did Rollins go over Brock but it solidified him as the top heel in the company.

I'm not even a big Lesnar fan but nobody on the roster is more over than him. If you take away his dominance as a worker you are watering down his character. We all know Brock has more moves in his arsenal but how is him giving suplexs out in the ring any different than Austin in his prime coming out and handing out Stunners? I guarantee if WWE had booked Ryback a few years ago to appear as dominant instead of suffering beatdowns from The Shield, he would be in a much better place on the card.

Lesnar is our modern day Austin. He's the antihero - just an asskicking machine. The difference between Brock and a majority of the roster is his character looks believable and this was the same perception I had during his first tenure. You're a Kevin Owens supporter - would you say this is Owens was in Brock's shoes getting the attention Brock gets?

When Lesnar appears you already anticipate carnage but then he leaves you in awe with how he manhandles people in the ring. He's polarizing because he doesn't appear often and sticks to saving his ring work to PPVs. He is a draw. If anything he helps this business more than he hurts it.

The thing is the crazy part about all this is Brock is what people wanted Reigns to be just in a full time role. Had WWE decided to keep Reigns quiet, dominant and built him that way to be a top guy would it have been a bad thing? Would you have advocated as your posts on here have indicated?

The problem with WWE(not pro wrestling as a whole) is with the show as a whole is how scripted and overproduced it feels. Everything is contained to its own segment, and leaves you with the sense that everyone has their roles laid out ahead of time. It's all very slick which it shouldn't be. Brock Lesnar comes out and does things he's not "supposed" to be doing, people sit up and take notice because it's like he's going against the script.

Despite Heyman often speaking for Brock, Brock doesn't need a 20 minute segment to help keep people invested in whatever he's involved in. He comes out and does what he does best. He is the best utilized, perfectly booked guy on the roster. Breaking the streak has helped push him to other levels

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You all are wasting your breath when it comes to trying to debate Aquaman and his dislike for Brock Lesnar. Ever since he broke Taker's streak, he has hated him, probably even before that. Nothing you can say or do will change his mind, and that's fine. He is entitled to his opinion, just like everyone else is around here.

That being said, Lesnar is not ruining professional wrestling. He is a massive draw, and people buy tickets when he is advertised to show up. If anything he put asses in seats at a time when an injury depleted roster needs it the most.

The only thing I didn't like about Lesnar winning the title was that the belt disappeared off TV for months at a time. Now that it's back and being defended on PPV's I'm fine with it. I would have been fine with Lesnar holding it as well if he had been around more. I really don't think with the Wyatt's again inserting themselves last night we'll see him holding it anytime soon. This upcoming what looks to be Lesnar/Wyatt feud could be quite interesting, but I can't see the Wyatt's going over Brock in the end game, so God knows what the WWE has planned. Another loss for Bray and family I suppose.
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