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Old 09-28-2016, 03:27 PM
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Now my question is can a child have the capacity to say they're transgender. Now I'm not knocking anyone from hiring transgender actors. Laverne Cox from Orange Is The New Black is cool and I like what I've heard from Against Me so it's not a big deal if you're transgender.


I get that some people will feel differently at different ages. I know there have been stories of gay people who knew they were gay at a young age but normally they definitely knew by their teens (which in the grand scheme of things is pretty young) Can a child under ten definitely say they're gay, straight, transgender?

I mean I used to wear my mum's high heels and occasionally use her lipstick as a kid but I was just a kid doing random stuff and never thought of it besides having fun. I never thought of maybe this is who I am or anything.

So yeah can a child definitely say they are transgender or would they have to grow up a bit to know for definite
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Who the hell knows, really.

There are senior citizens just now finding out who they are. Both sides of this argument would probably make a passionate claim on how they're right, but when it's all said and done there is no real way of knowing whether a child can be transgendered. Adults are fucking confused about themselves. So I think if an 8-year old kid says that's what they are, then thumbs up. If it just so happens later on in life they realize they're wrong, then thumbs up again. 5 years ago I had no idea what the hell a demisexual was, but I discovered that if there's a sexual spectrum, then that's probably where I fit.

We're all figuring ourselves out - that's the human experience. So more power to a kid who believes they're transgendered or gay or is into Dane Cook. The world's hard enough that I don't need to fight them on it.
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My friends sister knew at young age. Always dressed up manly and played with guns and not dolls. They even get her to the shrink for that but nothing helped, she just fealed differently. And now after sex change operation she really is a man. Think I even saw similar case at TLC channel. So yeah, it is possible to just feal differently in that sense at young age. Later you can probably just confirm why is that.
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Old 09-29-2016, 12:43 AM
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I say let kids be kids and at 18 they can legally decide what or who they want to be.
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It's not an easy transition for my generation to get accustomed to the idea of someone deciding their own gender identity at any age, but we're getting there.

Kids can be very aloof. Boys like trucks and toy soldiers and girls like doll houses and ponies, because that's the influence that's pushed onto them. Now the influence seems to be becoming "just be you". I'm sure that commercial ventures will find a way to exploit that paradigm for profit, but it seems like a more sincere method of nurturing.

The thing that is difficult to wrap my head around is the idea that gender identity is a very flexible concept. Say that a young boy finds himself identifying with girls and he decides that he's much more comfortable in their company, then puberty hits and he's suddenly a gym rat who can't keep his eyes off anything with breasts. The reality of deciding one's own gender identity at any age is that they could suddenly change their mind, and society would hopefully accept a sudden transition into whatever other gender identity they've grown comfortable with.

This is one of those things that I support, but I won't deny that it makes me uncomfortable. I can't empathize in that I feel pretty damn set in the norms of being a decent law abiding American dude (decent and law abiding emphasized because of how our reputations have kind of tanked lately).

I applaud Jackson Millarker for having the courage to let the world know how he perceives himself and I applaud Modern Family for once again aiding progress in our society.
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While I don't really have a problem with a child deciding what their gender identity is; at the same time, I don't know how a child could know.

There is a story up above about the guy putting on his mom's high heels and lipstick as a kid. I have a similar story. My cousin, who's the same age as me, used to be the biggest girl when we were kids. Used to play with dolls, loved Barbie and Ken, wore make up, lipstick, and even wanted to be a princess one year for Halloween. That was all well and good, but my cousin was a boy. Everyone in the family thought he was gay or that something was wrong with him and they used to make fun of him. (This was in the hills of KY in the 90's so don't judge my family) When he was 13, though, and went through puberty; he became a completely different person. He became interested in sports, joined the football team, started wanting to hunt, fish, etc. Most of all, though, he discovered girls and had one pregnant by his senior year of high school. Now he's married, has 3 kids, and coaches little league football for our hometown elementary school.

I told that story because kids will be kids and while I'm not saying that some could very well be astute enough to know exactly who they are and what they want before puberty, most aren't. So I think having an 8 year old saying that they're supposed to be a different gender is dangerous. It could be that they seen something like that on TV and decided that they wanted to do it. It could be that right now they feel more comfortable with the opposite gender, but may not in the future. Again, they could also very well know who they are at 8, but idk.

I think we should let kids go through puberty first and if they still claim to be different, then we should start taking them at their word.
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I really hate this fad of labeling children, especially with something as currently controversial as 'transgender'. An 8 year old, I don't care how intelligent, does not understand the complexities of having that diagnosis or label - I sincerely doubt they even understand what transgender means.

Describe to me - what does it mean to feel like a man? What does it mean to feel like a woman? We may, as mature adults, be able to accurately explain that feeling - though we also may not - it's complex. I don't believe an 8 year old is emotionally mature enough to separate a legitimate condition from not following what adults perceive to be 'normal' behavior for a boy or girl.

When this specific child is older, he may decide he is transgender - that's fine. He may also realise he is a man, who happened to enjoy traditionally feminine activities when he was a child - also fine. But I 100% disagree with the pressure this label is putting on a child, especially when that child is also now in such a prominent position in the media.
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Honestly, if an 8 year old child decides to label themselves as transgender, I don't see a huge problem with it. Some people just know, even from a young age, what their sexuality is. Take Shiloh Jolie-Pitt for instance (yes I know who Shiloh Jolie Pitt is, don't you mock me). From the time she was a toddler, she seemed to know that she felt more comfortable in a man's body than she did in a woman's. She's now 10 years old and is clearly already in the process of transitioning. Apparently she wants to be called "John" instead of Shiloh.

Everybody is different. When I was 8 years old, I knew I found women attractive, even if I didn't understand why (don't ask me how...). I knew I was straight even if I didn't understand what straight meant. It is possible, even at 8 years old, to know if you're comfortable in your own skin or not. One thing I'm a bit hesitant about is performing the surgeries on somebody under 18 years old. I'm not sure what the legal age is in America to have this surgery or if there even is a legal age, but it should definitely not be performed on children. It doesn't hurt to wait.

If as a child you think you're transgender, great. But I think one should definitely be an "adult" in order to have the option to make it permanent.
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This is a challenging question and I'm not really sure that anyone can provide a definitive answer. Ideas regarding gender identity run the spectrum of people being labeled as confused to altered brain chemistry to molestation to everything else in between.

The way that I look at it is that it's probably along the same lines of sexual orientation. For instance, I'm sure that there are some people who might think they're gay or who tell people that they're gay when they really aren't as they're going through an experimental time in their lives; they later realize, through whatever circumstances, that they're not gay but bisexual, or maybe even flat out straight. I'd say it's entirely possible for something similar to happen in terms of gender identity. However, the reverse, I think, is probably also true in that there are some people who genuinely just know, truly, 100% know that they're gay or that they're male or female inside the body of the wrong gender. I mean, who am I to tell someone that they really don't know who they are when I'm not that person or lived that person's life? That'd be like me trying to lecture a life long devotee of the Islamic faith on the tenants of Islam. I always knew I "liked" girls when I was a boy and that I WAS a boy, so I don't see why the opposite can't be true.
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While I don't really have a problem with a child deciding what their gender identity is; at the same time, I don't know how a child could know.
The same way you knew you were a boy.

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There is a story up above about the guy putting on his mom's high heels and lipstick as a kid.
That doesn't mean the guy thought he was a girl. He just wanted to do something and did it.

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I have a similar story. My cousin, who's the same age as me, used to be the biggest girl when we were kids. Used to play with dolls, loved Barbie and Ken, wore make up, lipstick, and even wanted to be a princess one year for Halloween. That was all well and good, but my cousin was a boy. Everyone in the family thought he was gay or that something was wrong with him and they used to make fun of him. (This was in the hills of KY in the 90's so don't judge my family) When he was 13, though, and went through puberty; he became a completely different person. He became interested in sports, joined the football team, started wanting to hunt, fish, etc. Most of all, though, he discovered girls and had one pregnant by his senior year of high school. Now he's married, has 3 kids, and coaches little league football for our hometown elementary school.
Having girl interests doesn't mean you think you are or feel like a girl.

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I told that story because kids will be kids and while I'm not saying that some could very well be astute enough to know exactly who they are and what they want before puberty, most aren't. So I think having an 8 year old saying that they're supposed to be a different gender is dangerous.
So is stiffling a child's wishes about things like sexuality and gender. So dangerous that it leads to many suicides.

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It could be that they seen something like that on TV and decided that they wanted to do it. It could be that right now they feel more comfortable with the opposite gender, but may not in the future. Again, they could also very well know who they are at 8, but idk.
You don't know but you seem to be very free with your opinions.

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I think we should let kids go through puberty first and if they still claim to be different, then we should start taking them at their word.
No one is getting implants or having dicks sewn on to their crotches at eight. They're just asking to treated like half of the human population.



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I really hate this fad of labeling children, especially with something as currently controversial as 'transgender'.
Doctors need names for things, go figure.

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An 8 year old, I don't care how intelligent, does not understand the complexities of having that diagnosis or label - I sincerely doubt they even understand what transgender means.
Huh? Why do you care about complexities all of the sudden? Grown women don't understand all the complexities of pregnancy. Should we stop that?

You're logic here sounds reasonable on th surface but it is just a case of you having no expertise on the topic and you just trying to sound thoughtful.


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Well, if you do not then by your logic you should not label yourself a man or woman.

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But a professional may be able to study the situation and create a medical diagnosis that is in the best interest of the child.

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When this specific child is older, he may decide he is transgender - that's fine.
Keep in mind the child has an increased likelihood of killing themselves so they may not get that chance.

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He may also realise he is a man, who happened to enjoy traditionally feminine activities when he was a child - also fine.
Enjoying activities that are stereotypical of children who have different parts than you is not the same as feeling like you are a different gender.

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But I 100% disagree with the pressure this label is putting on a child, especially when that child is also now in such a prominent position in the media.
Poor kid. Getting to live life the way he wants and not feeling bad about himself.
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