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Old 07-09-2014, 05:56 AM
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The first one who comes to mind is Bam Bam Bigelow, he was a major part of ECW indeed the first "big name" to head there... add to that he headlined a Wrestlemania and you have a definite entry.
Great shout on Bam Bam. I agree he is a very likely inductee at some point, I totally forgot about him headlining a WrestleMania while I was making my post. Bigelow joining ECW was a big deal, and he had alot of very good matches down there before returning to WCW.

Bam Bam was so athletic for a big man, I'd like to have seen him back in WWE at some point, but unfortunately we never got to see it. Yet another talented guy taken too soon. He'll be a very welcome addition to a HOF class sometime. He won't be a headlining the class, but definitely deserves his induction.
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RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Paul Heyman, The Dudleyz and maybe even Sandman should be locks for the Hall of Fame. They are usually the first people you think of when you hear ECW.

Below them would be Raven, Stevie Richards and the BWO maybe, Al Snow, 2 Cold Scorpio maybe and Shane Douglas.

Also, wrestlers like Bam Bam, Jericho, Mysterio, Malenko, Tajiri, and others would be inducted for their WWF/E and WCW careers.

We can safely say New Jack aint gonna ever be in one, and maybe neither is Mike Awesome
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The problem they have is that they can't induct them ALL... so only the true greats... I've not actually seen the most obvious guys on any posts and was remiss myself not to mention...Sabu and to a lesser extent Shane Douglas.

Sabu was the real "heart" of ECW, he was the guy that made people go "WTF?" and want to watch. If RVD goes in Sabu has to, as his uncle is already in there it would be quite fitting too. When ECW invaded it was Sabu on the titantron pointing to the moon that was the "Holy Shit..this is REAL! ECW IS HERE!" moment.

Douglas is an interesting case... he is the guy who kickstarted ECW, no Shane no ECW... his shitcanning the NWA title and renaming it the ECW title was a political move, but without it ECW never survives the week... it generated enough buzz with his now abrasive "Franchise" persona, that was so at odds with the vanilla face both WWF and WCW had presented that it got people interested in the promotion, it made people watch.

His WWF/E career is going to be the issue. Quite a few people will remember Shane as being in the WWF in 1990-1991, he was in line for a VERY big push as a "rockstar/teen idol" known as... yup... The Heartbreak Kid. Now what happened next is the stuff of trivia/forum debates/rumors/gossip but the gist of it was that Shane told Vince that his father was terminally ill and that he wanted to go back to Medical School rather than continue his in ring career. So Vince reluctantly let him out of his deal.

Of course Shane popped up in WCW barely a year later, Shawn Michaels became HBK and the rest was history.

Shane came back as "Dean Douglas" in 1995 and of course was not popular with Vince or Shawn, Vince for the blatant lies to get out of his deal and Shawn because he knew that Shane was the first pick... had he not done what he had done, he would not be "the showstopper" and have the power, money etc that he did.

So Shane got literally hounded out, bad gimmick, bad push and burial... he got the IC title for seconds before he had to humiliatingly drop it to Shawn's kliq buddy... Not saying Shawn deliberately got beaten up by Marines to avoid jobbing to Douglas cos, well no way was Shawn EVER jobbing to Douglas in a million years.

Shane's behaviors since have been erratic, his WCW reign was meh, he's tried promoting, been outspoken at times but in general kept an uneasy silence. He COULD and arguably SHOULD go into the Hall of Fame as his career as a whole is easily more important to the history of the business as a Koko B. Ware, Baron Mikel Scicluna, Tony Atlas or even guys considered "locks" like JBL or Rick Martel.

If Bruno and Warrior could, then Shane has hope but not before Savage... if he goes in, with Lanny there then it's proof that no beef with Vince will stop you going in, I can actually see Hunter being the one to broker it as he was part of that bullying back then... He could look now and know Shawn was a scumbag then and he coulda woulda shoulda perhaps not taken part in the crap if he had the overview of a company he now has...
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Well there is a list of guys who made impact at both ECW and WWE and should get into the hall of fame.My list will include:
The Dudley Boyz
Paul Heyman
Rob Van Dam
Tommy Dreamer
The Sandman
Bam Bam Bigelow.

Also there are the guys who made their big impact at the WWE who are the likes of Jericho & Mysterio etc.
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The problem they have is that they can't induct them ALL... so only the true greats... I've not actually seen the most obvious guys on any posts and was remiss myself not to mention...Sabu and to a lesser extent Shane Douglas.

Sabu was the real "heart" of ECW, he was the guy that made people go "WTF?" and want to watch. If RVD goes in Sabu has to, as his uncle is already in there it would be quite fitting too. When ECW invaded it was Sabu on the titantron pointing to the moon that was the "Holy Shit..this is REAL! ECW IS HERE!" moment.

Douglas is an interesting case... he is the guy who kickstarted ECW, no Shane no ECW... his shitcanning the NWA title and renaming it the ECW title was a political move, but without it ECW never survives the week... it generated enough buzz with his now abrasive "Franchise" persona, that was so at odds with the vanilla face both WWF and WCW had presented that it got people interested in the promotion, it made people watch.

His WWF/E career is going to be the issue. Quite a few people will remember Shane as being in the WWF in 1990-1991, he was in line for a VERY big push as a "rockstar/teen idol" known as... yup... The Heartbreak Kid. Now what happened next is the stuff of trivia/forum debates/rumors/gossip but the gist of it was that Shane told Vince that his father was terminally ill and that he wanted to go back to Medical School rather than continue his in ring career. So Vince reluctantly let him out of his deal.

Of course Shane popped up in WCW barely a year later, Shawn Michaels became HBK and the rest was history.

Shane came back as "Dean Douglas" in 1995 and of course was not popular with Vince or Shawn, Vince for the blatant lies to get out of his deal and Shawn because he knew that Shane was the first pick... had he not done what he had done, he would not be "the showstopper" and have the power, money etc that he did.

So Shane got literally hounded out, bad gimmick, bad push and burial... he got the IC title for seconds before he had to humiliatingly drop it to Shawn's kliq buddy... Not saying Shawn deliberately got beaten up by Marines to avoid jobbing to Douglas cos, well no way was Shawn EVER jobbing to Douglas in a million years.

Shane's behaviors since have been erratic, his WCW reign was meh, he's tried promoting, been outspoken at times but in general kept an uneasy silence. He COULD and arguably SHOULD go into the Hall of Fame as his career as a whole is easily more important to the history of the business as a Koko B. Ware, Baron Mikel Scicluna, Tony Atlas or even guys considered "locks" like JBL or Rick Martel.

If Bruno and Warrior could, then Shane has hope but not before Savage... if he goes in, with Lanny there then it's proof that no beef with Vince will stop you going in, I can actually see Hunter being the one to broker it as he was part of that bullying back then... He could look now and know Shawn was a scumbag then and he coulda woulda shoulda perhaps not taken part in the crap if he had the overview of a company he now has...
Very well written about Douglas's WWF runs.

Shawn Michaels certainly did a hit job on Douglas, the same with Chris Candido. So many people in the business have outed Shawn as being such a big cancer in the locker room, but for some reason being Vince's favorite, and thus, had ultimate power. I saw Bam Bam Bigelow's shoot interview, and he saw the writing on the wall after his WM match with LT. I guess Michaels and others of the clique were giving him lots of crap because Bigelow's match was getting tons more hype. Bigelow suspected he was next, and left. Michaels also bullied and threatened Vader's job.. Michaels was easily the biggest dick in wrestling history.
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RVD and the Dudley's will get in off of their WWE work alone. The only one that I feel is worthy strictly off of their ECW work would be Raven

Raven's character was so fresh and different and everything about the character was so sympathetic, but his actions made you feel like he deserved everything he spoke about in his promos. His matches weren't exactly anything to jump at, but, you have to look at who he was facing. Their is only so much anyone can do with Tommy Dreamer and The Sandman. Bottom line is Raven may have been the top heel in the world in 1995 and if he was in any other promotion at the time he's a sure fire pick for any HOF. He's a shoe in for the TNA hall though
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I think it's far more likely for guys who crossed over and got over in WWE to get into the HOF than guys who were ECW lifers and/or didn't do much in WWE.

Definitley RVD, Dreamer, Dudleyz, Tazz and Heyman are all well deserving of a spot in the Hall and seem to have the right formula for getting in.
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Forget about everything he did before then. Just for how willing he was to help put over the new guys and how hard of a work he was to help keep ECW going, Terry Funk deserves a hall of fame spot.
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After all this discussion, I think I've come to one conclusion. If Taz manages to go into the Hall of Fame, it would HAVE to include his time in ECW. Yes, he did a great job when he first joined but his singles run was short and his tag team with Spike Dudley was forgettable. He is well known as an announcer but did he really do a good enough job to deserve the Hall of Fame? Couple all of that with his huge title run in ECW, however, and suddenly there is a good chance he can get those honors.

But that isn't the conclusion. The conclusion is that Taz making it into the Hall of Fame is the ONLY way a guy like Raven could expect to get in too. As much as Raven was arguably the bigger star in ECW and Raven's WCW run was better than Taz's WWE run, under the WWE umbrella he was a jobber. He did nothing of any relevance in WWE other than wear a skirt and have a few entertaining hardcore matches. I think Raven easily deserves to be in the Hall of Fame but there is a lot going against him.
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Rob Van Dam: Former WWE World Champion, no small feat, but otherwise a midcarder and mainly known for his Television title run in ECW. Has been a top draw for a long time but big enough to warrant the Hall of Fame?
Yes. Regularly had solid matches in the old ECW, one of the guys who legitimized Money in the Bank, a WWE mainstay for years. He should be a Hall of Famer.

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Raven: A legend by ECW standards, a beast in WCW's midcard with his Flock until he met the glass ceiling (as so many did), then transitioning into a staple of the Hardcore division in WWE. Will his contributions to wrestling as a whole be honored one day in the Hall of Fame?
Upper echelon guy, but no. Never had that big of an individual impact. He'll go down as one of the great workers of all time, and one of the best promo guys, but he's never really been "the guy" in a major impact way.

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Tommy Dreamer: Synonymous with ECW, he carried the flag not only for the original promotion but for the WWE reboot. He is known for little outside of ECW but was often an agent and well respected within the business. But is he respected enough?

Taz: Arguably the top singles star outside of Rob Van Dam to have grown up in ECW, debuting on WWE with a victory over the then undefeated Kurt Angle only to quickly fizzle out. Will his legendary matches in ECW and long commentary career put him among the great Hall?

Tajiri: A long time player in ECW and WWE, with a kicking style that no one has been able to duplicate to an American audience. Does his unique ability, long run, and consistently strong performances warrant a place on the walk of Fame?

Rhino: The last ECW champion, debuting as friends of HoF Edge and likely future HoFer Christian, having the best spear in the business, including the infamous spear on Lita. Is his run worthy of Hall of Fame credentials?

Sabu: Outside of ECW he was never much, but within ECW he was the equivalent of a Sting or Undertaker, being part of some of the biggest angles in ECW history. Will his time at the top of the rebellious organization, infamous toughness, and daredevil style land him in the Hall of Fame among the other greats of his family?
All no. As Skip Bayless says, "it's not the Hall of Very Good." I wouldn't put the WWE or WCW equivalents of these guys in, thus these guys don't go in.

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The Dudley Boys: The most decorated tag team in history, winning tag titles everywhere they went and being a staple of the WWE Tag Team renaissance, these guys are definitely going to be in the Hall of Fame...right?
Yes. One of the great tag teams of all time. I was surprised TNA split them so effectively. WWE tried to with the brand split and it failed miserably. These guys were the quintessential Attitude Era team and along with the Hardyz and Edge & Christian, created the high spot crazes that are TLC matches. Hugely influential.
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