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Old 03-24-2014, 07:52 AM
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I realize there is a lot of room for interpretation here.

It can be argued that Steve Austin's run as Stone Cold was based off his character in ECW and he definitely went THROUGH ECW though was already well known from his Hollywood Blond run in WCW so there is a definite grey area. Then there is someone like Rey Mysterio who started in ECW, was only there for a short time, may never have been discovered by a top two promotion without ECW, but is basically wholly known for his time in WCW. What about Terry Funk, who already had a Hall of Fame career well before his time in ECW but was an integral part to the rise of the company, are we counting him as an ECW guy? And to this I answer: I leave that up to your own interpretation.

The real question here is: Does time in ECW count? Should it count? Should it count in some instances and not in others?

Rob Van Dam: Former WWE World Champion, no small feat, but otherwise a midcarder and mainly known for his Television title run in ECW. Has been a top draw for a long time but big enough to warrant the Hall of Fame?

Raven: A legend by ECW standards, a beast in WCW's midcard with his Flock until he met the glass ceiling (as so many did), then transitioning into a staple of the Hardcore division in WWE. Will his contributions to wrestling as a whole be honored one day in the Hall of Fame?

Tommy Dreamer: Synonymous with ECW, he carried the flag not only for the original promotion but for the WWE reboot. He is known for little outside of ECW but was often an agent and well respected within the business. But is he respected enough?

Taz: Arguably the top singles star outside of Rob Van Dam to have grown up in ECW, debuting on WWE with a victory over the then undefeated Kurt Angle only to quickly fizzle out. Will his legendary matches in ECW and long commentary career put him among the great Hall?

Tajiri: A long time player in ECW and WWE, with a kicking style that no one has been able to duplicate to an American audience. Does his unique ability, long run, and consistently strong performances warrant a place on the walk of Fame?

Rhino: The last ECW champion, debuting as friends of HoF Edge and likely future HoFer Christian, having the best spear in the business, including the infamous spear on Lita. Is his run worthy of Hall of Fame credentials?

The Dudley Boys: The most decorated tag team in history, winning tag titles everywhere they went and being a staple of the WWE Tag Team renaissance, these guys are definitely going to be in the Hall of Fame...right?

Sabu: Outside of ECW he was never much, but within ECW he was the equivalent of a Sting or Undertaker, being part of some of the biggest angles in ECW history. Will his time at the top of the rebellious organization, infamous toughness, and daredevil style land him in the Hall of Fame among the other greats of his family?

If there is anyone else you think is worthy of discussion, go ahead and bring them up!
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:55 AM
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Sure there is one guy from ECW that his time there will be remembered and should be a HOFer and that's Paul Heyman. He's a true hall of famer and I hope he gets into the WZ HOF. The rest of these guys for the most part, hell no. I was a big ECW fan back in the day but none of them ever garnered the kind of respect that others did. It is interesting you didn't mention the most dominate champion in ECW history in Shane Douglas on here. Of all the guys you've said, he's probably the closest and he really isn't close at all.
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By the standards of WWE's HOF and the fact that they essentially own ECW, sure there are plenty of guys who could make the hall. Paul Heyman should absolutely be the first. Others that should/could get there based on their contributions to the industry would be:

RVD-Grossly popular nearly his entire career. Multiple championships to his credit and brought about one of the most unique movesets/styles ever. Sure, it's tired now but there was a time when it kept you on the edge of your seat.

Tommy Dreamer- Largely for being the flag bearer and an inspirational leader. He is well-liked within the company and could easily come back in a backstage role, pushing him into the HOF.

The Dudleys- Say what you want but they truly are the most decorated tag team ever.

Taz- His career in WWE as a competitor was definitely cut short (no pun intended) but he was ECW's big fight guy.

Shane Douglas- Likely will never, ever happen but let's face it, if it weren't for his promo and throwing the NWA belt down ECW would not have launched as it did. A huge moment in the history of the sport.

Raven- Another highly unlikely but he was another big time player in ECW and had a good WCW and decent WWE run following. There's that whole lawsuit thing and...yeah...he's not going in. But should.
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With McMahon's ego running amok, and the culture being established that any Shane, Steph, HHH, or whomever will certainly do the same... I don't think any ECW will ever see the Hall of Fame.

I mean, McMahon pissed away probably a billion dollars just so he could jack off onto WCW's dead carcus during the botched Invasion angle.

That's the type of ego you're dealing with. Don't expect some honest view of history here.
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:17 AM
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From a neutral standpoint there's only a few.

Rob Van Dam
- Best original ECW wrestler. There's a reason he stuck around the longest when ECW died and some of the talent came to WWE. He could actually wrestle and had an exciting style and had great feuds throughout his original run.

Raven- Basically what most people wish they were on the mic. While not the greatest technical wrestler, he sold you on his feuds with promos. Similar to Bray Wyatt in the sense that their mic skills far outstrip their in-ring ability but because of the mic skills you wanted to see what they'd do next. Would the feud with Sandman been as good if Raven wasn't so great on the mic. You can see his influence on Wyatt and Ambrose today.

Dudley Boys- It can be argued that they are the greatest tag team in history. They've held pretty much every major tag team title in American wrestling minus ROH's (if you want to say they're major) they've even held the IWGP tag titles in Japan. They're what a tag team should be working as one.

Tazz- He was great as a technical wrestler and was certainly refreshing in ECW where most people would just hit each other with sticks. He certainly would've had a good WWE career if injuries hadn't forced him to retire.

And of course we can't forget Paul Heyman. Any person with the charisma of Heyman who can turn a regional promotion into a cult hit across the world that even over ten years after it's demise is still being talked about certainly deserves a Hall Of Fame mention. And I'm not mentioning the things he's done in WWE.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:39 AM
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Naitch reminded me that Sabu also is Hall Of Fame worthy.

Sure you can say that he botched a lot and most of his matches involved weapons but honestly his athletic ring style can be seen in many wrestlers today such as Seth Rollins, Sami Zayn and several others. I highly doubt that these wrestlers would have the style they do if Sabu hadn't done it first.

Also his attitude of 'I'll hurt myself to hurt my opponent' is certainly something that got the audience on his side for the 'holy shit' moments that again wrestlers today do (again look at Seth Rollins)
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Definite: Rob Van Dam, The Dudley Boyz & Paul Heyman

Maybe: Taz, Raven & Sabu

RVD is one of the few singles wrestlers to come out of ECW and make it big. He's quite possibly the one wrestler most associated with ECW and is among the first names to spring to mind.

The Dudley Boys are the most decorated tag team in wrestling history and have held almost every major tag team championship in pro wrestling over the last 30 years at least once.

Paul Heyman was a colorful character before ECW as Paul E. Dangerously and he continues to be a colorful character. He gave and continues to give some of the best promos in wrestling and some flat out hail him as a creative genius.

As for Taz, beyond his time in ECW, he didn't really have much of an opportunity to do too much after ECW folded. He had a few runs as WWE Hardcore Champion and a run with Spike Dudley as WWE Tag Team Champion, but nothing memorable. I'd lean more towards yes, however, because he's been a well known fixture as a commentator for well over a decade, so couple that with his time and accomplishments in ECW, he'll probably make the cut.

Raven's character is ultimately what drew some people to him. I could take him or leave him, but he was a unique presence during that time. I'd probably lean more towards yes for him as well as he's one of the few who had some degree of relevance in WCW & WWE.

Sabu is somebody I'm just not a huge fan of. Take him out of brutal hardcore matches and it's like taking a fish out of water. But, he's also one of the small handfuls of guys in from ECW to make an impact. He definitely qualifies as a "hardcore legend" because hardcore matches are ultimately what made him. I'm also leaning towards yes, though not as much as I did for Taz & Raven.

Two guys I didn't put in either category who're probably as heavily associated with ECW as almost anyone are Tommy Dreamer & Shane Douglas.

I think Dreamer is highly overrated and is somebody who was elevated because of ECW's cult following to a level of greatness he never came close to approaching. So he was a "hardcore" wrestler, so was 99% of the rest of the ECW roster. To this day, whenever Dreamer cuts a promo, all he can do is talk about stuff that happened in ECW. I won't throw a fit or anything if he's ever put into the HOF, but I just don't see it.

As for Shane Douglas, I think he's probably the embodiment of wrestlers who're marks for themselves. Wherever Douglas worked, whether it was WWF, WCW, TNA, etc. he ALWAYS blames everyone else for why he wasn't a bigger star. A lot of wrestlers have such stories, but so very, very few of them have so many stories from so many different major wrestling companies. It seems like Douglas' attitude was the problem, or at least one of the biggest problems. To listen to some of his rants, you'd have thought Vince was supposed to bow down before him, Dixie to spread her legs for him, Ted Turner to pay him just for gracing his company with his presence and Ric Flair to fluff him whenever he snapped his fingers. A few years back, he was at an episode of Raw promoting the Extreme Reunion event he was headlining, only he was out among the crowd handing out fliers, until he was escorted out by security. I don't see him ever being in the WWE Hall of Fame.
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Excluding perhaps Randy Savage, Vince has been remarkable about who he'll do business with (hiring Eric Bischoff and enshrining people in the Hall that have HUGE beefs with him--most recently bringing Warrior back into the fold). Never say never.
Back to the main question, are some of the original guys in ECW hall of fame worthy? Absolutely. The ECW originals who got that victory at WrestleMania 23 (RVD, Sabu, Dreamer, and maybe, Sandman) certainly have been involved and contributed more to industry than some of the wrestling inductees (insert obligatory Koke B Ware reference here). The Dudleys and RVD should almost be sure things.
With the WWE talking about putting singular matches in, I could possibly see the WHOLE company being inducted and that way everyone could collectively participate. (Joey Styles in my opinion was one of the best announcers ever) Like it or hate it, these guys have their fans--and these guys made their mark. They deserve it.
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I think there are definitely ECW guys worthy of entry into the Hall of Fame, but then again would you really class RVD and The Dudleyz as "ECW guys" now, after all the success they have had in WWE?

Both Van Dam and The Dudley Boyz are definite Hall of Famers in my (and most people's) opinions. RVD is a former WWE Champion, ECW Champion, multi-time Intercontinental, Tag Team and Hardcore Champion plus in ECW he held the Television Title for almost 2 whole years, becoming the most popular wrestler in the company. He's been incredibly popular with fans in WWE ever since he debuted during the Invasion period, and should have been given the WWE title way before he did get it.

As for the Dudleyz...they are the most successful tag team in history. Multi-time ECW, WWE tag team champions, they even held the WCW tag team titles too (during the Invasion) and were part of the legendary triangle ladder, and TLC matches with The Hardyz and Edge & Christian. For everything they did for Tag Team wrestling, the Dudley Boyz are sure-fire HOFers.

You can't talk about ECW Hall of Fame entries without mentioning Paul Heyman. Wrestling's evil genius will definitely go into the HOF when he retires, there is no question about that. Heyman's baby and it sparked a revolution in wrestling. It was Heyman who brought Lucha Libre to the USA, gave wrestlers like Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko and Chris Jericho their big breaks, gave Steve Austin the chance to resurrect his career and gave us the likes of Rob Van Dam, Taz, Raven, Sabu and many, many more.

As well as his ECW days, Heyman has been the best manager of the past decade in WWE in his association with Brock Lesnar, and was a great commentator too aorund the turn of the century. He certainly deserves induction into the HOF.

I would also give a HOF induction to Sabu- a major innovator in wrestling, and an ECW icon. If hardcore wrestlers like Abdullah The Butcher and The Shiek can go into the Hall of Fame, then there is no reason why Sabu shouldn't, he certainly deserves it.

Raven is another pick I would induct (although as a huge fan of his, I am a bit biased). His creativity and persona was so far ahead of it's time and you can see his influence on the likes of Dean Ambrose today. His involvement in classic angles like his feud with Tommy Dreamer, and brainwashing the Sandman's family are legendary. However, after sueing the WWE fairly recently I dount we'll see Raven going in.

I'd induct Taz as well. He was THE MAN in ECW, and one of the biggest home grown talents they ever produced. It's a shame his in-ring career in WWE was cut short due to neck problems, as Taz was fantastic in the ring- I loved watching his work. With his later career as a commentator, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Taz inducted at some point, but obviously this would only happen after he stopped working for TNA.
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The first one who comes to mind is Bam Bam Bigelow, he was a major part of ECW indeed the first "big name" to head there... add to that he headlined a Wrestlemania and you have a definite entry.

RVD yes, Dudz, not for a long time... Bully is building something with TNA and it won't be endearing him to Vince. Taz is possible but someways down the line.

Raven and Dreamer are doubtful as they never got over enough in the WWE to make it work. One leftfield guy from ECW who could have gone in but now probably won't is Perry Saturn but the main guy from ECW who stands out and is perhaps "guaranteed" a slot is...

Chris Candido... He was a major part of ECW without being "the top guy" and he was a well loved member of the WWF roster as well. His tragic end only makes it sadder, he's the kind of guy who would have been back for the ECW reunion/revival and could have been in the kind of role Dustin Rhodes is now, an elder statesman type wrestler. Yes it means wheeling Tammy out again but give her the rules and she won't screw it up cos it'll mean a lot to her... Warrior made his point last year about "the little guy" and Chris was arguably the "little guy" for much of his career, but he rose above it and was a memorable part of both ECW and the WWF... there are far worse picks they can go with.

Al Snow is the other good candidate as he was the guy Vince sent to ECW to come up with something and he came back with one of the Attitude Era's first and most memorable gimmicks... he was a big part of Tough Enough and has a strong rep for training a lot of their guys... but again he is working for TNA right now so it delays it...

Heyman is a lock of course... it's not if, but when... hell give it to him this year if Brock is headlining Mania, it can only make him more obnoxious/better on the night and Brock's inevitable turn on him after losing more impactful.
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