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Old 07-11-2017, 05:15 AM
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Paige isn't a bust. She had several really good matches and memorable moments throughout her run in WWE. For a couple of years she was one of the very best in the division and at a point was the face of women in WWE. Therefore, she isn't a bust.

Paige is just really stupid. She is young, attractive and talented. All the makings for a long career and role as a face of the division for the WWE. Leaked sex tapes, failed drug tests and general attitude issues that we've seen and her recent happenings with Del Rio make her basically worthless as a spokesperson. Natalya Neidhart is 35 years old, not the exact age or shape that you'd expect WWE to go after. Why do they keep her around? Oh, I think it has a lot to do with Natalya being perfect to speak at public functions, radio, television and working with kids whenever WWE does that. When has Natalya Neidhart ever got into trouble? She is the perfect employee and exactly what a major corporation like WWE wants. You can send her to things to work with kids but can you do the same for Paige after everything that has happened? Seems like a bigger pain in the ass than it's worth. Send Natalya rather than Paige, save some effort and likely get a better result.

Paige is an idiot. Stuffed up what could've been several decades worth of association with WWE. Not a bust but she is really stupid.
The leaked sex tapes thing is hypocritical by WWE. A few years ago, WWE would have used Paige doing this to allow her to pose for Playboy and then promote it heading into Wrestlemania (I mean, the worst Divas wrestler ever, Ashley Massaro, got TWO Wrestlemanias, because she posed in Playboy twice). So WWE had no problem whoring off their Divas a few years ago, and even had both the Kat and Mae Young flash their tits at PPVs. But because they bend over for toy companies and advertisers, they pretend like the "Attitude Era" never existed, and Paige is chastised now when she would have been lauded and appeared in Bra-& -Panties matches a few years ago. She has been "Benoit'ed" from WWE history.

Also, the main thing WWE have against Del Rio was that he went to the mainstream news when he got sacked by WWE for punching a racist employee, and the WWE took the racist's side, but then had to fire the racist because Del Rio complained to the press about it. WWE don't have problems with other relationships, but stick their nose in this one, when it is none of their business.

Natalya Neidhart? Well, when it comes to young, attractive and talented, Nattie only has the third one. They keep her around because her father used to wrestle in WWE. You see, Vince loves second and third generation superstars, like Nattie, Tamina and Charlotte. Paige's family never wrestled in WWE, so she doesn't have nepotism to get her by. Also. Nattie's dad, Jim, is a jailbird, and Tamina's dad possibly killed someone, but it is okay to promote them, despite their associations, but Paige hooking up with a guy who called out a racist employee in WWE gets short-shafted.

Also, Nattie doesn't get heat, because no Diva sees her as a threat looks-wise, so there isn't any professional jealousy with her, and she is kept around because of who her father is, to appease uncle Bret, and because if she is dismissed, her hubby could sue WWE for his career-ending injuries. Also, Nattie won't get in trouble, because no-one wants to see a Natalya sex tape.

Also, Paige wouldn't have had decades on top, because, once the Four Horsefaced women come up to the main roster, the NXT sycophantic fans didn't care about anyone else, and would rather watch Sasha v Charlotte for the 50,0000th time and the 50,0000th title change than a Paige match. She was yesterday's news to the fickle fans who move on quickly.
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Old 07-11-2017, 10:53 AM
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Biggest bust? Absolutely not. She had a great run and accomplished a LOT in a short time for a young newcomer.

Biggest FLAMEOUT? Without a doubt.
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Old 07-11-2017, 11:17 AM
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This is another example of one of us going off on a hyperbolic tangent. Considering Paige NXT's biggest bust when she's 24 and is basically still a child is a bit much for me folks. You can't make any kind of ultimate statement like that when her career isn't over.

Yes, Paige has had a rough time. She got passed up by newer stars, it happens in wrestling. She's had a rough couple years with the neck injury being the main reason she's missing from the company she's under contract to.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for the very public sex tape leak or the bizarre relationship with El Patron. If Paige was just another wrestler who missed a huge chunk of time on injury, most of us would be fantasy booking her return.

Mickie James came back to WWE guys. Mickie James. Granted she's been jobbing, but the door isn't always shut.

Alexa Bliss and Charlotte among others in WWE have had nudes or sextape leaks. One is the current Raw Women's champion and the other just participated in the first women's MITB. If you let men (Seth Rollins) recover from these leaks and still get top billing, you let the women move past it too.

WWE loves a good redemption angle. Eddie went from drugs to WWE champion. Paige too could come back, triumph, and we could be talking about her as the greatest thing that ever happened to women's wrestling.

Who knows though? NXT has produced bigger lemons than Paige. Bo, Ascension, Aries (main roster run), Erik Rowan, and the list will go on. Until Paige is old and retired, making any kind of statement like this is fundamentally flawed.
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Not even close. Paige has made some bad decisions such as the tape that got leaked (why people make those tapes at all is beyond me but that's off-topic) and getting into a relationship with Del Rio. I won't say anything else about the relationship since there are still things going on that we as fans do not know the full details about. The thing is, we are all human beings and as such we all make mistakes. I feel bad for her and hope her life turns around. Now, as others have pointed out, if it weren't for the controversial things going on in her life we wouldn't be having this discussion. If you look past these things, and only address her success in the WWE then you can clearly see that Paige is NOT the biggest fail in an NXT to main roster promotion. Quite the opposite, actually.

The women's division had been through its absolute worst. When Trish and Lita left in 2006 the division had barely anyone who could actually wrestle. Other than Mickie, Beth, and Natalya there was nearly a decade of pushes for women who were only there to look attractive. Not until AJ Lee VS Kaitlyn in late 2013 did things finally change. Then there was a match at a certain show, the first special event to air live on the Network. Paige VS Emma for the NXT Women's Championship. Then Paige got promoted to the main roster shortly after and won the Divas Championship at her debut. She won the biggest prize available to her at the time on her first night, the same belt she would hold twice and feud with AJ Lee over. She then participated in the Women's Revolution in team PCB, and feuded with Charlotte over the new Women's Championship. For someone so young she had a fantastic first run. How exactly is she a failure? Look past the controversial stuff and see the true success. It was there. If she is able to overcome everything that's going on and turn things around for a return, a Raw or Smackdown Women's Championship run are not an impossibility. She would be a welcome addition to either title scene.

If we are talking the biggest failed main roster promotion for an NXT star, you might want to look at people who actually saw failure instead of success like Paige did. How about The Ascension? They got destroyed on day one instead of winning the top prize on day one. What about Adam Rose? He could have had a decent run in a comedic jobber role with his random partiers following him around all the time, but once he lost the random crowd he instantly sucked and had nothing going for him. Crews is only just now finally turning things around with Titus as his manager. Breeze up until The Fashion Files angle was another contender for most failed NXT promotion. The Vaudevillains, Eva Marie, the list goes on. Paige is nowhere NEAR the biggest fail. This thread's opening post has it 100% wrong. She's one of the biggest successes based off her initial run and her story will hopefully have another chapter to it if she is able to return.
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:53 PM
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You have characters like Adam Rose or even Bo Dallas who was even NXT Champion. And you argue that Paige, 2 times Divas Champion, would be remembered as most biggest bust in NXT history? But all those guys that came out of NXT and job their way through main roster are so much more successful then the person who was 2 times main Champion on biggest platform they have. Paige didnt live up to expectations maybe, but she is far from biggest bust or even failure when it comes to her main roster run.
I might as well explain myself.

You see, when I say Paige is a bust; I mean in the sense as in while she was/is (?) a popular figure in the divas division, she could have been worth even more for them.

Bo Dallas, yes he was a former NXT champion but it never really looked like he could repeat that success for the main roster. He was a big fish in a very small pond, and a very successful fish at that. If you take the gimmick away, all he was is basically someone to fill in the midcard and nothing more.

Adam Rose only lasted in NXT for a couple of months before jumping to the main roster. Before that, he was known as Leo Kruger. Either way, he had a place for him; either as a midcard monster heel or as a comedic face akin to Santino Marella. That's the ceiling.

With Paige? She had and maybe still does have the potential to become the face of the women's division, but I think what people forget was that her first year was not all that great. Her heel turn and eventual feud with AJ Lee was highly underwhelming for the supposed top two faces of the division and she wound up not doing a whole lot of anything afterward.

And yes, after WrestleMania things started to look up for her; she headed PCB for the Divas' Revolution; and the promo after Charlotte won the Divas title was fantastic; so was the ensuing match. What did she do after that? Job to pretty much every other woman on the roster. Shoot, she lost to Dana Brooke in three minutes; If that isn't a sign the company has lost faith in you, what is?

And then we get into the recent suspensions for drugs, the relationship with Del Rio which may or may not be abusive, her horribly childish attitude as of late, (especially coming for someone that is supposed to be the future of the division) and the recent drama going on with her and the WWE; I think it's fair to say that it's time to sound the alarm bells and say that maybe it just isn't working out. Could I be jumping the gun? Possibly, could she come back and prove me wrong? Absolutely, WWE loves redemption stories as much as the next person, but until there is evidence that proves me otherwise; I will stay firm in the belief that Paige is the biggest bust in NXT's history.

EDIT: Dagger also mentioned The Ascension as a part of NXT's failures. While I did think they had the potential to make for good tag team champions as shown in their NXT run, I never thought they were going to take the tag team division by storm either. Even if they hadn't been buried by every single legend known to mankind, they would have still gotten lost in the shuffle; it would take a longer time, but it would have still happened nonetheless.
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I don't consider Paige the biggest NXT bust (though she is quite busty)

I would give that honor to Bray Wyatt.

Wyatt could have been the 21st century Undertaker. He could have been a top heel.

Think about it. A cult leader and doomsday prophet, who strikes fear into many hearts, and only the brave can stand up to him. He revels in mind games, and plays on superstars' biggest fears. He had a hell of a lot of potential.

Instead, he loses all the time. He got beaten by Cena, and his recent story with Orton humiliated him, and made him look like Orton's bitch. He should have been the one to end the Undertaker's streak, in a "torch-passing" moment, and he could "take over" the "fear" gimmick. He could have been like a meglomaniac and taken over WWE, and used the superstars as his pawns. Bray shakes his fist at God Himself, yet he is made to look weak constantly, and his WWE Title win was forgettable, and he lost it at Wrestlemania in the stupidest way possible.
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I don't consider Paige the biggest NXT bust (though she is quite busty)

I would give that honor to Bray Wyatt.

Wyatt could have been the 21st century Undertaker. He could have been a top heel.

Think about it. A cult leader and doomsday prophet, who strikes fear into many hearts, and only the brave can stand up to him. He revels in mind games, and plays on superstars' biggest fears. He had a hell of a lot of potential.

Instead, he loses all the time. He got beaten by Cena, and his recent story with Orton humiliated him, and made him look like Orton's bitch. He should have been the one to end the Undertaker's streak, in a "torch-passing" moment, and he could "take over" the "fear" gimmick. He could have been like a meglomaniac and taken over WWE, and used the superstars as his pawns. Bray shakes his fist at God Himself, yet he is made to look weak constantly, and his WWE Title win was forgettable, and he lost it at Wrestlemania in the stupidest way possible.
I'm probably one of the very few people who never truly thought Wyatt could have been the next Undertaker, the charisma is undeniable; that much is clear, but he never seemed to possess the same amount of wrestling ability as The Undertaker did. Really, I think he's done everything he can as a heel and would benefit a face turn; but as I've mentioned from the Heel Bayley thread, the decision to change things up relies on him thinking about it and then going to Vince to discuss it.
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No way is Paige a bust in the same way The Ascension, The Vaudevillains, Bo Dallas and even to a point, Rusev.

Paige's issues backstage have shortened her shelf life for WWE, but while she was there and working she was involved, prominent and worth her push. She's had some memorable feuds and moments and while "It's My House..." is perhaps the most annoying phrase other than "WWE Universe", again it's an earworm.

You have to also look at what people were intended to be... Paige was groomed to be champion and was... but she was unlikely to be the face of the company for women...especially once Charlotte started as the Flair name was always gonna carry. Paige was able to set the table for the "Horsewomen" to come in, and once WWE started going to Japan with Asuka and now two more stars from there, it was clear that her role was not gonna be prominent for long.

Paige got people interested enough in womens wrestling, alongside AJ to allow it to become a "thing" for WWE again and now the roster they have is insanely strong compared to the Diva's division when Paige debuted.

The proof in the pudding is there is a movie being made about her...

Now if you want to talk busts... why not the Bulgarian Brute who was tipped to be a monster heel World Champion?
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No way is Paige a bust in the same way The Ascension, The Vaudevillains, Bo Dallas and even to a point, Rusev.

Paige's issues backstage have shortened her shelf life for WWE, but while she was there and working she was involved, prominent and worth her push. She's had some memorable feuds and moments and while "It's My House..." is perhaps the most annoying phrase other than "WWE Universe", again it's an earworm.

You have to also look at what people were intended to be... Paige was groomed to be champion and was... but she was unlikely to be the face of the company for women...especially once Charlotte started as the Flair name was always gonna carry. Paige was able to set the table for the "Horsewomen" to come in, and once WWE started going to Japan with Asuka and now two more stars from there, it was clear that her role was not gonna be prominent for long.

Paige got people interested enough in womens wrestling, alongside AJ to allow it to become a "thing" for WWE again and now the roster they have is insanely strong compared to the Diva's division when Paige debuted.

The proof in the pudding is there is a movie being made about her...

Now if you want to talk busts... why not the Bulgarian Brute who was tipped to be a monster heel World Champion?
Agreed, even if Paige hadn't had the issues; there was always the chance she'd get lost in the shuffle with Charlotte, Asuka and others coming in. And again, to her credit; she along with A.J Lee began the revolution that still goes on to this very day. But even so, you can't help but notice that she could have still had a very prominent role with the company had things not played out the way they did.

As for the movie: Good for her, and more importantly her family; I've always wondered what it was that made their family so successful not just in Britain but in America of the world as well. Can't wait to see it once it comes out.
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I actually think Paige did well in NXT, she was the Anti-Diva, the one who broke the mold so to speak. Little did any of us know that she would in fact live up to her character.

She was NXT Women's Champion, and on her debut onto the main roster won the Diva's title. I think it was a little too soon for her to do that, but she made a name for herself right off the bat and with not a lot of women that could wrestle, it wasn't a bad thing.

Paige went off the rails due to bad decision making in her personal life. Decisions that continue to haunt her today if the incident at the Orlando airport this week are anything to go by. Going on Total Diva's was a double edged sword. It showed just how different she was from the rest of the girls, and that can be seen as either a good or bad thing, depending on how you viewed her antics.

Charlotte, Sasha and Becky arriving on the main roster together and starting the Diva's Revolution took some of the wind out of her sails, but she could have recovered. Again poor decision making and her attitude of not giving a damm has proved to be her undoing. I've read that even though she is cleared to wrestle the WWE has no plans to use her going forward. I think they are just waiting until the movie the Rock is producing about her family finally gets released, then so will she.

It's been said that Del Rio is his own worst enemy, I'm afraid in Paige's case the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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