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Old 04-30-2017, 12:02 PM
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Default Asuka passes Goldberg's undefeated streak record; 174-0 now.

So we all remember Goldberg going 173-0 in his undefeated streak in WCW. That number has always been regarded as somewhat inflated.

But Asuka has now passed the official record of 173-0. Legitimate number is supposed to be near 155 so she has passed it both legitimately and officially. She hasn't been pinned or submitted in 174 matches since joining NXT.

Well, I never expected Asuka to have such long undefeated stint in NXT. But it was entertaining nonetheless and I think that she might have retained her title at TakeOver: Orlando just to officially pass this record.

Now that it has passed the record, I doubt if she'll ever lose in NXT. Maybe get a call-up like Paige and relinquish the title or lose indirectly in a match where she doesn't need to be pinned to get the title off her.
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Yeah...but..women are inferior to men..always have been, always will be.

Plus, NXT is small potatoes. This is the worst main event WWE era ever. And NXT is the minor leagues to that.

Goldberg went 173-0 against the best competition in the history of the business.

And also...barely anyone watches NXT. The rating is under1. WCW was pulling in record breaking ratings upwards of 5 or 6.

So whatever Asuka did will only be remembered by a minority of blowhards who take women's wrestling seriously..

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Yeah...but..women are inferior to men..always have been, always will be.
it's nice to know sexism is alive and well in the world, scumbag
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Plus, NXT is small potatoes. This is the worst main event WWE era ever. And NXT is the minor leagues to that.
why?
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Goldberg went 173-0 against the best competition in the history of the business.
WcW changed the number so much I doubt he actually went 173-0
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And also...barely anyone watches NXT. The rating is under1. WCW was pulling in record breaking ratings upwards of 5 or 6.
NxT is on the Network while WcW was the biggest wrestling company during a big chunk of the 90s. comparing the 2 is unfair and bullshit
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So whatever Asuka did will only be remembered by a minority of blowhards who take women's wrestling seriously..
No it will be remembered by a lot of people. Not everyone is as sexist as you. Don't bother responding as you're going on my ignore list so I won't be seeing anything you say.


As for Asuka beating Goldberg's record I think that's pretty cool. She does need to lose sometime though and whoever beats her will have a rather huge feather in their cap.
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it's nice to know sexism is alive and well in the world, scumbag

why?

WcW changed the number so much I doubt he actually went 173-0

NxT is on the Network while WcW was the biggest wrestling company during a big chunk of the 90s. comparing the 2 is unfair and bullshit

No it will be remembered by a lot of people. Not everyone is as sexist as you. Don't bother responding as you're going on my ignore list so I won't be seeing anything you say.


As for Asuka beating Goldberg's record I think that's pretty cool. She does need to lose sometime though and whoever beats her will have a rather huge feather in their cap.
Oh no I'm on your ignore list..Boo hoo..

Objective fact: Regardless if Goldberg's number was inflated, 4-4.5 million ravenous fans watched Goldberg week in and week out beat far more than Hugh Morrus and Scotty Riggs. WCW was top dog and had all time legends Hulk Hogan, Sting, Randy Savage, Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Lex Luger, Big Show, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Curt Henning, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio Jr, Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Chris Benoit, Jeff Jarrett, DDP oh I could go on and on and on. Most of these guys fought Goldberg at some point during this period. Who does NXT have that compares to anybody on this list?? The NXT rating is what? .75? 500,000 people watch this show regularly? So, c'mon, you know as well as I do that it WON'T be remembered by a lot of people. Just stating facts, you don't need to ignore me because I can look at things the way they ARE and you can't.
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The best REALLY? almost 50% of that streak was against grade A Jobbers.....The type that even Nia Jax could beat
Lets look at an illustrious list of
Scotty Riggs, Mike Anthony, The Renegade, Steveie Ray, Barry Horowitz, Mongo, Kendall Windham, Jim Powers, Mark Starr, Buddy lee Parker, Virgil, Chase Tatum, Glacier, Lodi, Hammer, Sick Boy, Wayne Bloom, Mike Enos, etc...As a matter of fact before defeating Raven for the US belt the only significant wins under his belt were vs Meng, Regal and Big Boss Man..
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Goldberg went 173-0 against the best competition in the history of the business.

And also...barely anyone watches NXT. The rating is under1. WCW was pulling in record breaking ratings upwards of 5 or 6.

So whatever Asuka did will only be remembered by a minority of blowhards who take women's wrestling seriously..
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Yeah...but..women are inferior to men..always have been, always will be.
Aha. Any evidence? Then how come women surpass men in various matters? If we assume like you that women are inferior, how does "inferior" beat "superior"?

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Plus, NXT is small potatoes.
Aha. Even when it regularly entertains more than the main roster brands? Even when a TakeOver entertains more than an adjacent main roster big PPV?

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This is the worst main event WWE era ever.
Totally disagree.

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And NXT is the minor leagues to that.
So?

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Goldberg went 173-0 against the best competition in the history of the business.
Yeah, all 173 wins were against legends, right?

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And also...barely anyone watches NXT. The rating is under1. WCW was pulling in record breaking ratings upwards of 5 or 6.
Barely anyone? Rating under 1? A record is a record. It isn't like Asuka never defended her title. It's a legitimate record unlike Goldberg's.

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It's not about women wrestling. It's about good wrestling regardless of the gender. You can care for factors like gender. But I care more about wrestling.
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Aha. Any evidence? Then how come women surpass men in various matters? If we assume like you that women are inferior, how does "inferior" beat "superior"?


Aha. Even when it regularly entertains more than the main roster brands? Even when a TakeOver entertains more than an adjacent main roster big PPV?


Totally disagree.


So?


Yeah, all 173 wins were against legends, right?


Barely anyone? Rating under 1? A record is a record. It isn't like Asuka never defended her title. It's a legitimate record unlike Goldberg's.


It's not about women wrestling. It's about good wrestling regardless of the gender. You can care for factors like gender. But I care more about wrestling.
Any evidence? Well there's this thing called world history. Contrary to politically correct belief, the world hasn't been around for 30 years.. it's been around for millions. It's only been in the past 100 years that women have had basic human rights. If you knew anything about world history before the early 1900s, then you wouldn't have to ask me if I had 'evidence'.

What 'matters' do women surpass men in? Looking good with no clothes on? Wearing excess makeup? Baking bread? Buying material objects? Texting on their phones?? I'm serious. Women don't compete in men leagues because they 'can't'. The only reason they compete with men in real world jobs is because the 'powers that be' don't want the world working optimally. They want it working half-assed with us all in debt. Best way to do that is to get the women out of the house and into the workplace while the government-run institutions and moronic television/social media educates our children.

As for NXT entertaining more than the main roster and the men, listen, that's no big deal. WWE hasn't entertained me and most of the old audience for more than 5 minutes at a time in the past 10-15 years. I get more enjoyment watching the Young and the Restless with my wife or The Wiggles with my children. WWE and NXT are both watchable if you have a high threshold for horrible tv.

Goldberg had 173 wins in a SUPERIOR company called WCW. A far superior product compared to today's shite. WWE was also INFERIOR to WCW during the first half of Goldberg's streak. And even when WWE caught up, WCW was still the big time. Say what you will about my questionable statements about women, but NO ONE can argue the fact that NXT is full of minor league no names. WCW was chalk FULL of superstars. You can't shrug that off. A woman breaking the 173 win record in NXT is about as important as a girl in little league baseball somewhere beating professional Joe Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak. No one watches little league and far less people watch little league girls compared to boys.

It's like you guys don't get that wrestling isn't 'real'. These streaks aren't real. they are scripted. What isn't scripted is fan response (Please someone explain this to crazy Vince). Hence the 4s and 5s in TV ratings when men dominated wrestling vs the 0s and 1s now with all the PG equality political correctness bullshite. Goldberg captivated audiences organically. Unlike the forced crap today. Fans loved Goldberg's entrance music. They loved his intensity. They loved the spear and jackhammer. It was a 2 to 3 minute segment we all got used to watching each week and the streak just grew out of that. WCW wasn't pretending to be classic mat wrestling with matches that went on for 10 to 15 minutes. It was just Goldberg flat out dominating and we could have cared less who he was beating. But he beat his fair share of legends. Asuka just beat up a bunch of girls learning the craft who would be lucky to make it to the main roster as part time jobbers.

You care more about wrestling. Good for you. I care about being entertained. Women were entertaining when they're used the way they were used during, and prior to, the Attitude Era. But women's wrestling today is truly total crap, sorry, I derive no utility from watching them. There is a reason women are considered by your average wrestling fan (not just me) as the 'bathroom break' or 'last call for alcohol' before the main event. I know you hate everything I'm saying. But it's not just the opinion of someone who is backward in his views. It's just the way it is and I look at things objectively the way they are (rather than how things should be). I'll call it the way it is regardless of what you and others like you believe 'oughtta be'. Women will never be equal to men in the world of wrestling entertainment no matter how hard Vince tries to force this phony women's revolution on his audience.

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Any evidence? Well there's this thing called world history. Contrary to politically correct belief, the world hasn't been around for 30 years.. it's been around for millions. It's only been in the past 100 years that women have had basic human rights. If you knew anything about world history before the early 1900s, then you wouldn't have to ask me if I had 'evidence'.
So if women have had basic human rights in the past 100 years, then they are inferior? Or men were suffering from superiority complex that didn't allow women basic human rights? It says more about the mentality of the men at that time.

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What 'matters' do women surpass men in?
Studies, sports and what not. But no they're inferior, right?

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Looking good with no clothes on?
As if they don't look good with full clothes on as well?

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Wearing excess makeup?
As if all women just wear excess make-up?

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Baking bread?
Yeah, all women bake breads.

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Buying material objects?
Men never buy such objects, right?

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Texting on their phones??
Yeah, men don't text as well.

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I'm serious.
Then it's an even more bigger issue.

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Women don't compete in men leagues because they 'can't'.
They can, regardless of your thinking.

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The only reason they compete with men in real world jobs is because the 'powers that be' don't want the world working optimally.
No. Because Women can surpass Men if they have more talent.

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They want it working half-assed with us all in debt. Best way to do that is to get the women out of the house and into the workplace while the government-run institutions and moronic television/social media educates our children.
You mean something Men are doing since long?

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As for NXT entertaining more than the main roster and the men, listen, that's no big deal.
Nopes. It's certainly a big deal. According to you, women are inferior. So when "inferior" gender is more efficient than "superior" gender, it's a big deal.

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WWE hasn't entertained me and most of the old audience for more than 5 minutes at a time in the past 10-15 years.
Then why were you watching in the past 10-15 years? If you're not entertained, why not leave it? And I question how you can say on behalf on most of the old audience.?

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I get more enjoyment watching the Young and the Restless with my wife or The Wiggles with my children.
Good for you. However I haven't heard about those programs and this isn't a sign of disrespect towards you.

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WWE and NXT are both watchable if you have a high threshold for horrible tv.
Nopes. Just because you find it horrible doesn't make horrible.

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Goldberg had 173 wins in a SUPERIOR company called WCW. A far superior product compared to today's shite.
Far superior product? Fingerpoke Of Doom? Nash ending Goldberg's streak? Come on.

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WWE was also INFERIOR to WCW during the first half of Goldberg's streak. And even when WWE caught up, WCW was still the big time. Say what you will about my questionable statements about women, but NO ONE can argue the fact that NXT is full of minor league no names.
No names?
Asuka
Drew McIntyre
Hideo Itami
Bobby Roode
Shinsuke Nakamura (Just left NXT a month ago)
These are all no names, right? NXT is a development programming consisting of such no names, right?

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WCW was chalk FULL of superstars. You can't shrug that off.
Yeah, full of superstars and legends right?

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A woman breaking the 173 win record in NXT is about as important as a girl in little league baseball somewhere beating professional Joe Dimaggio's 56 game hitting streak.
Maybe for you. Don't know about Joe either.

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No one watches little league and far less people watch little league girls compared to boys.
No one? Then why in the blue sky we're talking about it if no one watches?

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It's like you guys don't get that wrestling isn't 'real'.
A couple of years ago, Yes. But not now.
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These streaks aren't real. they are scripted.
I know.

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What isn't scripted is fan response (Please someone explain this to crazy Vince). Hence the 4s and 5s in TV ratings when men dominated wrestling vs the 0s and 1s now with all the PG equality political correctness bullshite.
Old is gold, right?

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Goldberg captivated audiences organically. Unlike the forced crap today. Fans loved Goldberg's entrance music. They loved his intensity. They loved the spear and jackhammer. It was a 2 to 3 minute segment we all got used to watching each week and the streak just grew out of that. WCW wasn't pretending to be classic mat wrestling with matches that went on for 10 to 15 minutes. It was just Goldberg flat out dominating and we could have cared less who he was beating. But he beat his fair share of legends.
Goldberg is one of my favorite wrestlers. Regardless of that, Asuka's undefeated streak is indeed impressive. It's not like Asuka was forced upon us. Asuka's support was organic as well. Infact, both Asuka and Goldberg are known for beating the heck out of their opponents.

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Asuka just beat up a bunch of girls learning the craft who would be lucky to make it to the main roster as part time jobbers.
Mickie James
Bayley
Nia Jax
Ember Moon
Emma
But they are bunch of girls learning the craft? Just like women are inferior to men, right?

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Women wrestling vs good wrestling?
Nah. Good wrestling VS Bad wrestling. You say as if women wrestling is never good. It's a lot better than in the past where women were more as objects. But you liked that, so that tells wht choices you have.

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You care more about wrestling. Good for you.
I care about wrestling that entertains.

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I care about being entertained. Women were entertaining when they're used the way they were used during, and prior to, the Attitude Era.
Yeah, when they were used as the objects and never given much time to do what's supposed to be done aka wrestling.

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But women's wrestling today is truly total crap, sorry, I derive no utility from watching them.
Yeah, because you don’t want to see women wrestle. You want to see them as side-shows. That's because women wrestling destroys your notion of "Men are superior to women".

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There is a reason they are considered by your average wrestling fan as the 'bathroom break' or 'last call for alcohol' before the main event.
And that's why the audience actually reacts more to women now, right? Remember "We Want Sasha" chants? But no, women are inferior dammit.

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And I know you hate everything I'm saying.
Nah.

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But it's not just an opinion from someone who is backward in his views on women.
I don't know what sort of an opinion it is. But "Women are inferior" is a wrong opinion.

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It's just the way it is and it's never going to change no matter how hard Vince tries to force a phony women's revolution on his audience.
Well, women wrestling has actually revolutionized. At Wrestlemania 32, women stole the show. But no, they are inferior and are better used as objects.
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So if women have had basic human rights in the past 100 years, then they are inferior? Or men were suffering from superiority complex that didn't allow women basic human rights? It says more about the mentality of the men at that time.


Studies, sports and what not. But no they're inferior, right?


As if they don't look good with full clothes on as well?


As if all women just wear excess make-up?


Yeah, all women bake breads.


Men never buy such objects, right?


Yeah, men don't text as well.


Then it's an even more bigger issue.


They can, regardless of your thinking.


No. Because Women can surpass Men if they have more talent.


You mean something Men are doing since long?


Nopes. It's certainly a big deal. According to you, women are inferior. So when "inferior" gender is more efficient than "superior" gender, it's a big deal.


Then why were you watching in the past 10-15 years? If you're not entertained, why not leave it? And I question how you can say on behalf on most of the old audience.?


Good for you. However I haven't heard about those programs and this isn't a sign of disrespect towards you.


Nopes. Just because you find it horrible doesn't make horrible.


Far superior product? Fingerpoke Of Doom? Nash ending Goldberg's streak? Come on.


No names?
Asuka
Drew McIntyre
Hideo Itami
Bobby Roode
Shinsuke Nakamura (Just left NXT a month ago)
These are all no names, right? NXT is a development programming consisting of such no names, right?


Yeah, full of superstars and legends right?


Maybe for you. Don't know about Joe either.


No one? Then why in the blue sky we're talking about it if no one watches?


A couple of years ago, Yes. But not now.

I know.


Old is gold, right?


Goldberg is one of my favorite wrestlers. Regardless of that, Asuka's undefeated streak is indeed impressive. It's not like Asuka was forced upon us. Asuka's support was organic as well. Infact, both Asuka and Goldberg are known for beating the heck out of their opponents.


Mickie James
Bayley
Nia Jax
Ember Moon
Emma
But they are bunch of girls learning the craft? Just like women are inferior to men, right?


Nah. Good wrestling VS Bad wrestling. You say as if women wrestling is never good. It's a lot better than in the past where women were more as objects. But you liked that, so that tells wht choices you have.


I care about wrestling that entertains.


Yeah, when they were used as the objects and never given much time to do what's supposed to be done aka wrestling.


Yeah, because you don’t want to see women wrestle. You want to see them as side-shows. That's because women wrestling destroys your notion of "Men are superior to women".


And that's why the audience actually reacts more to women now, right? Remember "We Want Sasha" chants? But no, women are inferior dammit.


Nah.


I don't know what sort of an opinion it is. But "Women are inferior" is a wrong opinion.


Well, women wrestling has actually revolutionized. At Wrestlemania 32, women stole the show. But no, they are inferior and are better used as objects.

It doesn't say anything about the mentality of men at the time. This world has been in existence for longer than the 20th century. Obviously there's a reason men have been in charge of everything since eternity. And obviously there's a reason women never challenged men this whole, entire time. The only reason women are even getting an opportunity now is because our world is run by Zionist Jewish extremists who want our great civilization to crash and burn. Dividing and conquering white, black and Arab men and women is their ultimate goal.

Studies, sports? Women are dominant in their own sports. They are not usually dominant in comparison to a man. Just like the physically challenged can be dominant among their own and even sometimes against the non physically challenged.

Women are NOT more efficient than men. That is just your subjective opinion.

Who said anything about me regularly watching WWE? As a man, I'm very efficient in not wasting time on watching crap tv. Like I said, I am never entertained for more than 5 minutes at a time when I watch. I only watch it when I read online that something happened that I should be interested in.

WCW was a far superior product. The FPOD and Nash beating Goldberg's streak were 2 things that happened within 11 days of each other. WCW was far more than a 2 week period..just as the Earth has been revolving with men at the helm for millennia.

Asuka is a woman who fights women. You can't throw Bobby Roode into the conversation of no names in the NXT women's division.

No. Women's wrestling was actually half decent in the 90s and early 00s. I was a big fan of Lita, Sherri, Chyna even Moolah. Wendy Richter, Alundra Blayze, Bull Nakano were cool. The only one I find any bit entertaining now is Bayley. The rest freakin SUCK. Women were fantastic as managers, not 'objects'. Was Bobby Heenan or Paul Heyman or Slick mere objects? No they were fantastic managers. Women were great valets. Elizabeth, Sunni, Woman, Sherri etc. The problem is nobody wanted to watch them wrestle. Audiences came to watch manly men - the heavyweights..not women or girly boys like Dolph Ziggler or The Miz. Our world has become way too feminine and millions of fans have tuned out. That's not me pissing on the product because I don't like it. The old audience of 4 or 5 million people don't watch the product regularly anymore because the product is out of touch with the reality of what its audience wants. The old audience (and half of the new) DOES NOT want Roman Reigns main eventing. The old audience DOES NOT want Triple H or Randy Orton winning 14 titles each, let alone 3. The old audience wants wrestling to make sense again. I count myself as part of the 'lost' old audience. I do not watch regularly. But I will make my opinion count on threads like these that are full of politically correct crybabies defending a piss poor product..

If women want to wrestle, then WWE should create a women's wrestling channel and keep that separate so that it doesn't cut into the male-dominated product. The women don't 'steal' the show. They simply steal airtime. That's why they put about 15 women in one match at Wrestlemania. The show is 7 hours and 20 women got a combined 2 matches and 40 minutes of air time.

Men are dominant compared to women. That''s just a fact. Just look at the chain of command in WWE and in the real world. Who do you think created the Women's Revolution? Who do you think runs NXT? Who do you think runs WWE? Who do you think runs the network you watch wrestling on? Who do you think runs all the networks you watch on TV? Who do you think runs wrestlezone? Who do you think runs the Net?? Hint: It's not women.

Wrestlemania 32 was probably one of the worst Wrestlemanias of all time. Go look at Wrestlemania reviews online. It really was poor. The main event was horrible. The 6 second Rock match was ridiculous. The woman's match easily stole the poor show. In fact, it was almost as if the men let the women run that show..

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Any evidence? Well there's this thing called world history. Contrary to politically correct belief, the world hasn't been around for 30 years.. it's been around for millions. It's only been in the past 100 years that women have had basic human rights. If you knew anything about world history before the early 1900s, then you wouldn't have to ask me if I had 'evidence'.
Okay I feel like I have to weigh in on this being an "inferior" woman and all. First of all you are right in regards to women's rights, we've not had them for very long. Until the last century, 1920 to be exact, women weren't even allowed to vote. We had no say in who ran the country and who would affect our lives. As a matter of fact in some countries in the Middle East, women are still not allowed to vote. They are also not allowed to talk to men, show their faces outside the first door of their house, work, and they must be totally subservient to their husbands. Failure to do so runs a risk of beatings or death.

Women have come a long way but we still have a long way to go.

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What 'matters' do women surpass men in? Looking good with no clothes on? Wearing excess makeup? Baking bread? Buying material objects? Texting on their phones?? I'm serious. Women don't compete in men leagues because they 'can't'. The only reason they compete with men in real world jobs is because the 'powers that be' don't want the world working optimally. They want it working half-assed with us all in debt. Best way to do that is to get the women out of the house and into the workplace while the government-run institutions and moronic television/social media educates our children.
You know I have news for you, this is not a competition between men and women. We don't really care what we can surpass you at, it's just not on our radar most of the time. It's a guy thing. Maybe you are scared that a woman just might be better than you and that's the reason for the irrationality of an non existent contest. Most of us, and I speak for myself and my friends are happy in our skin.

As for Asuka, very happy that she is doing so well, and would love to see her on the main roster as soon as possible. Hoping it's around Summerslam she gets called up.
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