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Old 03-18-2013, 09:45 PM
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I suppose a heel Hulk Hogan could have done better without creating a heel stable nWo. please, no.

Aces and Eights at the beginning was BRILLIANT! the concept of unknown wrestlers attacking an icon, was great. at the time there was so much buzz. nobody knew who it was, it could have been anyone. people were excited to know who was behind the masks.

now yes there has been some let downs here and there with who has been revealed, but seriously.. who were you expecting? it's not like there was a "Scott Hall and/or Kevin Nash" out there for TNA to bring in brand new.
I never saw "DOC" when he was in WWE, so I don't have a predetermined opinion on him prior to his TNA work. but in TNA with Aces and Eights I think he has been good. he has a big tough bad ass look. he beat the shit out of Sting with a hammer. he's fine.
Devon reveal at the time was a surprise, unexpected. it ties in now because his brother Bully is the leader.
Wes and Garrett aren't exactly much good, but this turn also works because they (more so Wes) were being helped along by Angle.

who outside of TNA brand new could have "seriously" been brought in?
I would have loved to see someone like Bautista or Goldberg, but I doubt they were a serious option.

of other guys in TNA, who else could have been used?
someone like Matt Morgan I don't think fits in with their biker gang type look.

the biggest problem I have is Aces and Eights have lost too many matches, especially considering they had the numbers of guys on their side. but I think going forward TNA can build them better by having them win more often along with being more bad ass. the beat downs on this past Impact were great!
story line wise IMO a heel stable like Aces and Eights together is a lot better than individual heels.

IMO the greatest time in wrestling history was the early days of nWo. something even close to that is good for TV.

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the thing that TNA are going to have to explain are... when Kurt Angle unveiled The Aces&8s VP how could it have been Bully Ray when he was in the ring moments before hand having just finished a Match when Kurt Angle was seen backstage heading The Club House after Bully Rays Match to attack Brisco, Garrett, Anderson and a dude who was taller only a few inch's taller than Kurt...

also they are gonna have to explain how moments before Bully Rays Match the night of the Aces&8s VP Unveil how Kurt Angle was seen hiding out backstage watching Aces&8s walk past him backstage before Bully Ray came out for his match...and then Kurt was seen after the match inside Aces&8s Club House attacking Members of The Club.

also IF you check out this Picture pic.twitter.com/ra2EJhAsrn from Aces&8s Twitter of The VP of Aces&8s the eyes if you look carefully as they pop out of the bandana you see it looks like Samoa Joe.

The Big Dude that Kurt Angle attacks in the Club House the night of the Aces&8s VP Unveil sounds like Joseph Parks{a.k.s Abyss} as the guy screams ''Ouch, Ouch Ouch''{the same way Abyss used to say it} as Kurt is attacking him.

also apparently a few weeks back now someone who was at Impact said that one of the Aces&8s Members had their Bandana pulled down from over their eyebrows in front of them at ringside and apparently the guy had ginger eyebrows which means that would be TNA Talent Crimson who is currently in a Army Military Faction on OVW Wrestling TV.

this feud is making The TNA Television Title{Devon Holds} & The TNA World Title{Bully Ray Holds} meaningless and The Aces&8s feud is to be entirely focused on & around Hulk/Sting/Bully & Brooke.

if you remember Bully Ray has been controlling Booke on screen for a while now he dragged her by the arm up the ramp on Impact when She & Him got Suspended by Hulk.
Bully Ray controlled Brooke again when he got hold of her hand backstage to to walk to the ring the night that his Suspension got lifted on UK 7th March 2013 Episode.
Bully Ray dragged her by the arm into the Impact Zone building when TNA ReAction Cameras were trying to Interview Brooke about Hulk's Aces&8s Attack Injury backstage on Impact Wrestling Episode 28th February 2013 Episode. there must be something in that.

also The Bully Ray Phone call to Brooke on recent Impact Episode didn't make any sense when they knew from twitter that Brooke had filed Divorce Paper to divorce Bully{even though they are NOT Married on Screen}, TNA Writers could have simply had Bully find out that Brooke has filed divorce papers instead of the whole Phone Call to Brooke Angle.

also this week if you check out Impact Wrestling . com you will see a Picture of Bully Ray with the Caption ''Bully Ray will speak out about how he fooled & coned everyone, but in the picture he's wearing the Wedding Ring that Brooke nagged him to put on during their Backstage Segment on 14th February 2013 Impact Wrestling Episode.

also if you listened to Bully Ray Brandon Braxton Jonesboro Radio Interview after Lethal Lockdown you hear Bully Ray acting as a Baby Face plugging Impact coming to Jonesboro and he also says he loves working with Brooke on screen and then being able to go Home with Brooke to the Hogan Home and have Dinner with Her & The Hogan Family every night, he also goes on to say he loves working with Sting & Hulk every night.

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the Vice President (VP) is D'Lo Brown. Bully is the president.

Bully was "controlling" Brooke because at the time they were "married" and he was the man. he was controlling his wife.

any interviews done by Bully prior to Lockdown would have him being face because that's what he was at the time, being face to fool everyone.

many different wrestlers have been used behind the masks that were not actually revealed to be in the group. fans aren't supposed to know which specific wrestler was in the mask.

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the thing that TNA are going to have to explain are... when Kurt Angle unveiled The Aces&8s VP how could it have been Bully Ray when he was in the ring moments before hand having just finished a Match
Do you even watch Impact? lol that was D'Lo the VP means VICE President. Bully is THE President. D'Lo was the man that Angle attacked. Prior to Bully being revealed, the President was only seen once on TV and that was before Bound for Glory when Hogan and Sting were captured.



Looking back at this segment, I suppose he DOES look like Ray somewhat, with the ears and the backwards cap which Bully would often wear that way.

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I suppose a heel Hulk Hogan could have done better without creating a heel stable nWo. please, no.

Aces and Eights at the beginning was BRILLIANT! the concept of unknown wrestlers attacking an icon, was great. at the time there was so much buzz. nobody knew who it was, it could have been anyone. people were excited to know who was behind the masks.

now yes there has been some let downs here and there with who has been revealed, but seriously.. who were you expecting? it's not like there was a "Scott Hall and/or Kevin Nash" out there for TNA to bring in brand new.
I never saw "DOC" when he was in WWE, so I don't have a predetermined opinion on him prior to his TNA work. but in TNA with Aces and Eights I think he has been good. he has a big tough bad ass look. he beat the shit out of Sting with a hammer. he's fine.
Devon reveal at the time was a surprise, unexpected. it ties in now because his brother Bully is the leader.
Wes and Garrett aren't exactly much good, but this turn also works because they (more so Wes) were being helped along by Angle.

who outside of TNA brand new could have "seriously" been brought in?
I would have loved to see someone like Bautista or Goldberg, but I doubt they were a serious option.

of other guys in TNA, who else could have been used?
someone like Matt Morgan I don't think fits in with their biker gang type look.

the biggest problem I have is Aces and Eights have lost too many matches, especially considering they had the numbers of guys on their side. but I think going forward TNA can build them better by having them win more often along with being more bad ass. the beat downs on this past Impact were great!
story line wise IMO a heel stable like Aces and Eights together is a lot better than individual heels.

IMO the greatest time in wrestling history was the early days of nWo. something even close to that is good for TV.
Biggest flaw of Aces & 8s was that they created this whole mystery and gave them masks even though nobody really knew who they were. The point in wrestling of giving people masks that will be unmasked later it's to hide someone important that is known to the fans. That's the whole point! And not only the people that became unmasked were not magor players but most of them were known by the internet who they were. It took weeks for people to know it was Gallows as the hammer guy. Compare that to the nWo where most new arrivals, most turns were always shocking even after Hogan turned be it Syxx or Giant or Rick Rude, etc...nobody were expecting it.

I think TNA created a concept on paper without having the horses to back it up. I can just see them saying "hey guys we should have an invading group for our first live show!" Others:"But who should be in it?". First guy:"that's not important...". It's the opposite of the nWo where Biscoff had just done a big coup getting two big WWF stars in Razor Ramon and Diesel FIRST then when he had the firepower, he came up with a concept.

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back around the time when they were all masked, a lot of people "knew" who was behind the masks. everyone knew it was Luke Gallows, Mike Knox, Chris Masters, Konan, Matt Morgan, Joey Ryan, Jay Bradley, and many more. the one night when they ended the show with chaos there were like 50 guys masked. there were so many names being thrown around, it wasn't surprising when it was some of them. but there were also surprises. nobody expected Devon or Taz. not that they are big surprises, but still a surprise.

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back around the time when they were all masked, a lot of people "knew" who was behind the masks. everyone knew it was Luke Gallows, Mike Knox, Chris Masters, Konan, Matt Morgan, Joey Ryan, Jay Bradley, and many more. the one night when they ended the show with chaos there were like 50 guys masked. there were so many names being thrown around, it wasn't surprising when it was some of them. but there were also surprises. nobody expected Devon or Taz. not that they are big surprises, but still a surprise.
Taz and Devon were more like facepalm surprises though. Not anywhere near the level of what the nWo were doing.

I know it's hard to compete with an angle that was near perfect(at least in the first year) like the nWo but still you have to make an effort to at least be coherent. And if you can't beat concepts like the nWo as fas as surprises(cause WCW had much more money to buy anybody) you can at least make an effort to be more innovative and attempt something different and I don't think A/8 was challenging and different enough beyond their initial attack on Sting. We still don't know why they banded together beyond helping Bully win the title.

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